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Quick Gameplay Thoughts: April 25

RiotMeddler·4/25/2017, 3:51:40 PM·1 votes·28,973 views

Morning all,

We're just a couple of days away from finishing the mid-season patch, so busy times on our parts right now. Bunch of mid-season related thoughts below as a result, once 7.9 is out and we've got whatever balance changes are needed underway we'll also start talking a little bit about future plans again too.

Mid-Season watch list

We'll be assessing the game as a whole post mid-season patch of course, with enough stuff changing that there are arguments a lot of different things, whether they were touched directly or not, might need follow up work. There are some things we'll be keeping a particularly close eye on though, as things more likely to need tuning than others. Examples include:

  • Rift Herald, and whether it benefits early teams too much, generates the desired interesting siege/defense gameplay, how easy/difficult it is to defend against etc.
  • Ancient Coin, particularly the revised pattern's impact on Enchanters and other really mana hungry champs.
  • Adaptive Helm and its effectiveness against champs who rely on repeated spell casts for the bulk of their power
  • Garygoyle Stoneplate and whether it's leaving champs that deal true damage and/or scale damage off HP too threatening
  • Etc

Rakan and Xaya

Seem to be in a reasonable at least for now power wise, so the only likely changes in 7.9 are a few bugfixes. Will definitely need to assess again in a couple of weeks though, see whether their performance stabilizes around an appropriate power level or whether when the average player on them has enough experience they're too weak or too strong. It's also very possible that Coin changes, or AD item changes, have a meaningful effect on them in 7.9. too.

CC Tracking Stat

One of the new end of game stats we've been working on for mid-season is CC contribution. Based off some testing while that's been on PBE it looks like there are a couple of issues with it we'll need to work out though. We'll almost certainly be delaying that to 7.10 as a result, given amongst other things there's some possible impact on server performance there.

Updated Sub-Class List

Something we've been working on for a little while is an update to the sub-class list we posted last year (link to the previous version below). As mentioned we've always expected that would be an evolving set of guidelines/assumptions, rather than a definitive set of rules, a way of looking at/talking about champions rather than a set of requirements. We're now at a point where we think an update's appropriate, should be able to post that sometime in May. Nothing too major, mainly shifting a number of champions around and some changes to one of the sub classes' definition.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/3A5uuBw7-champion-subclass-list

197 Comments

Casual Skarner4/25/2017, 4:49:50 PM13 votes

when we will see changes for Skarner?

N Komaeda4/25/2017, 6:44:59 PM9 votes

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Rakan and Xaya Xayah

Seem to be in a reasonable at least for now power wise, so the only likely changes in 7.9 are a few bugfixes. Will definitely need to assess again in a couple of...

Legit, nobody want's to know what the Xaya is. I also do NOT recommend anyone to google it, please.

iahim984/25/2017, 6:25:55 PM8 votes

Meddler about the Gargoyle Stoneplate case with true damage, instead of making gimmick changes to it that will hurt everyone so it won't be abused by 2-3 champs, make it an exception and reduce the true damage dealt OR just make it so it gives a shield instead of actual hp (sorry Vandiril), and it would solve the hp scaling problem too.

Mordepool4/25/2017, 4:10:11 PM7 votes

Hey Meddler can you guys list Mordekaiser as a Battlemage/Juggernaut Hybrid. That would be great. Thanks

Keevalroy4/25/2017, 4:01:47 PM7 votes

How about some feedback threads for the new tank updates? Some of us have a lot to say.

Jeddy0174/25/2017, 4:11:26 PM6 votes

Do you guys have any plans to incorporate the update subclass system into more places such as the the Champion website or the client? You know, spread it around to inform more people of it.

IAmNeverViable4/25/2017, 5:37:50 PM6 votes

Here's a couple of questions.

  1. Can we look at Leblanc? I know she was ridiculous after her rework, but I felt she does not do any significant damage after the nerf. Her early game is unnoticeable, and her late game is horrible.
  2. Is Heimerdinger ever get notice? In preseason, Banner of Command and zz'rot got nerf, resulted in nerf to split pushing top donger. The only good build that somewhat works is rushing liandry.
  3. Any changes to look over fiddlesticks? Felt he needs so much stats; CDR, AP, Mana/Mana regen, and Magic penetration. If he's underperforming, can you change to make him less reliance on any one of those stats. Rather just focuses on buying 3 out of the 4 stats.
  4. Any chance on looking at botrk? I think the item is too strong for a first item, too much lifesteal and dueling potential. I think it's a must buy for adc bot lane. This has the same problem back in season 3 with bloodthrister.
  5. Lastly, what with the udyr changes? What does do changes change anyway? Why change it the first place?
Ganked By Tilt4/25/2017, 8:13:03 PM4 votes

Why are you guys ignoring Diana?

Hyper Stan4/25/2017, 5:58:19 PM4 votes

This might not be your department, but can we get some context on riots decision to use the same passive particle on all seuani skins? there seems to be alot of rage about skins being ruined, some skins i agree on it. are you capable of elaborating on that or atleast check with the class update team?

DarkPh0enix4/25/2017, 3:56:47 PM4 votes

Hi Meddler

Long time fan

Are there plans for changes to Rengar and Garen (mostly buffs) ?

Rengar was hit hard by the nerfs and even tho Garen received a fairly smart change, he is still no match for other juggernauts and divers.

Thank you for your time.

Yuumi or Lose4/25/2017, 6:50:15 PM4 votes

Just two quick questions.

Heimer changes where?

Ohmwrecker?

SaltNPetty4/25/2017, 6:59:46 PM4 votes

Will Xayah and Raken be enabled for MSI? And what about Galio Galio

OceanicEyes4/25/2017, 3:56:53 PM2 votes

Hey Meddler,

Quick question, for the CC tracking stat, will it differentiate between types of CC? So for example, we could see how long we knocked up an enemy, stunned, slowed, etc? And if not, what CC will count towards this stat? Just hard CC?

Thanks for the post on current gameplay thoughts, always enjoy seeing Rioter thoughts on the current state of the game.