Quick Gameplay Thoughts: May 2

RiotMeddler·5/2/2018, 3:35:40 PM·1 votes·48,827 views

Hey all,

Usual Disclaimers

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Midseason changes still being worked on

As you've likely seen in other threads in the Devcorner and PBE Boards we've got a number of changes in for midseason. Those are still being worked on, whether it's polish on AD items that will be in 8.11, ongoing exploration and tuning of jungle changes (probably in 8.10) or follow up to mage and AP item mana changes from 8.9. Continued feedback on those much appreciated, whether from direct experiences with the changes in game or analysis of them after they're posted. While we won't be able to act on every piece of feedback, especially when different players are looking for very different things, it is extremely valuable, letting us catch or improve a range of things.


Thoughts on supports soon

We've talked about a lot of other classes and positions recently, we haven't talked much about supports and problems there for a bit. Some thoughts on that shortly (Friday or mid next week). Short version is there are some issues we want to look at once midseason's stabilized, including how reliably defensive power is from enchanters and whether the current power from the heal/shield stat's too high and/or undercosted. Long version soon.

Varus W empowered Q sounds

We've been seeing some feedback recently that it's too hard to tell when Varus is charging a W empowered Q, versus just a normal Q, making it hard to play around that more dangerous cast. Turns out one of the reasons for that is that the main audio cue on the empowered Q charge (a spinning powering up sound) wasn't playing most of the time. That should be fixed in 8.9, let us know if it's still really hard to tell if it's a normal or empowered Q after that.


Surrender Rules

Sometime soon (probably starting this week) we'll be testing a change to the early surrender rules that removes the unanimous vote requirement and instead goes with the normal 4 of 5 yes votes. That change will initially be only on the Oceanic server, if it tests well there we'll then roll it out to other regions as well.

We originally went with a unanimous requirement for early surrenders to ensure players weren't having games that looked winnable still surrendered out from under them that early. Looking at early surrender's use however games that fail a surrender 4-1 between 15-20 very often end up with a surrender or defeat around 20 minutes instead. That means the unanimous requirement is mainly just dragging out already lost games.

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258 Comments

SeanGoku5/2/2018, 4:16:41 PM20 votes

Hey Meddler. How about you guys take this opportunity to try out my surrender "switch" instead of the vote? In short it just means that everyone can vote silently (or "switch" their vote) in the options menu. And as soon as the threshold is reached the game is ended.

edit: Some people noted some edge cases that might be frustrating with this system. So alternatively you could have the surrender vote pop up, when 4 switches are turned on. This way everyone gets a last chance to change their mind. Just added this up here to keep everything tidy.

  • There would be no more annoying surrender vote spamming of toxic players during team fights
  • Nobody would be forced to make the prompt decision every time, but make their decision any time they want
  • You could switch the switch any time, even at minute 1, but the game would simply continue until both requirements are met
Shaian5/2/2018, 4:02:44 PM16 votes

Anything regarding Zyras plant HP which has been shelved for a while now?

Boltonator5/2/2018, 3:39:49 PM7 votes

So support changes are going through, eh?

Hopefully we won’t get nerfed into the ground too badly, though my main concern is early game and how effective shields and peel will be when a game is fresh and we don’t have a solid build yet.

Raiokun5/2/2018, 3:50:13 PM6 votes

Will karma be in this discussion or is she more on the mage side of things?

Spideraxe5/2/2018, 3:42:15 PM6 votes

Also can I hear your thoughts behind what we may see in preseason

hibernis5/2/2018, 3:41:39 PM5 votes

There is a bug on Lux's E. Link

No official comments yet. Is Riot aware of this problem? I'm sorry for posting an unrelated issue.

Malicious Metal5/2/2018, 3:36:34 PM4 votes

Hey Meddler, don't know if you're the one I need to ask, but did you guys actually change Mordekaiser's W2 Icon? Ever since the new patch it looks greenish-blue instead of just a brighter shaded hue of its original icon.

Solari Fortune5/2/2018, 3:41:15 PM4 votes

Could some context be given on why IE has Yasuo's double crit passive?

What do you think will be the main rush items post marksmen changes? I think StormRazor ER BT or BotRK will what an adc rushes depending on the champ

How does StormRazor's Auto Crit work with MF's Q because the first hit cannot crit

Lastly thoughts on Ashe since her crit system is much different to other adcs

DerMangoJoghurt5/2/2018, 3:42:50 PM4 votes

I probably just missed it, but I haven't heard anything about Zoe recently and every Zoe I've seen in-game (not that many to be honest) has looked like she's underperforming. Do you think she is in a good spot after her changes? Do you consider giving her a nudge towards her initial playstyle, now that people learned how to play against her?

RavenHusky5/2/2018, 3:44:55 PM4 votes

You guys wound up bugging out Lucent Singularity with the new patch, so that if you try pre-detonating it, it charges you the mana cost again, and it won't even let you pre-detonate if you don't have the mana.

https://clips.twitch.tv/KindObservantChickenOptimizePrime

Any chance that this gets hotfixed this patch?

Khristophoros5/3/2018, 11:18:49 PM3 votes

People like to give up and lose. You're just making it worse by officially validating that behavior.

The game is also too snowbally. Too bad you're just embracing it.

ninjaduken5/2/2018, 5:47:23 PM3 votes

Hi!

About a month ago Repertoir stated that Zyra's plants health were being looked at. Any news on this?

I'm looking into some solutions for plant pain points. I agree they're under delivering.

Comment in question: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/9FuMtqJf-cg-riot-you-have-finally-destroyed-midlane-zyra?show=flat&comment=0026

WindLord70705/2/2018, 4:18:40 PM2 votes

A rioter said on twitter that lane nidalee will be prioritized sometime can you give any word on how soon it would be? Like before the end of the season or next season?

Kyunsei5/2/2018, 4:17:29 PM2 votes

@Meddler What do you think about Tryndamere and Yasuo regarding ADC items revamp ? They aren't the target of those changes, will they receive compensation buff ?

Gear5Luffy5/2/2018, 4:30:16 PM1 votes

Is the crit on towers with stormrazor intended or just a bug because i can crit the towers several times with jhin besides the 4th shot when i have stormrazor

Mastęr Yi5/2/2018, 3:51:47 PM1 votes

So will Last Whisper be a must buy 3rd item again like before?

Marisa5/2/2018, 3:49:45 PM1 votes

While we're on the topic of Varus, are there any thoughts on Varus's current state since the W changes?