Quick Gameplay Thoughts: August 22

RiotMeddler·8/22/2017, 3:43:12 PM·1 votes·67,069 views

Morning all,


Usual Disclaimers

These posts will often contain talk about future work we're doing, or planning to do, that isn't yet guaranteed to ship. The nature of the work could change or, depending on what we discover, projects mentioned may get put delayed or even stopped. If you'd like to see a Tweet whenever a new one of these posts goes up: https://twitter.com/RiotMeddler

Upcoming Runes Reveals

We've been looking at some non damage focused Runes recently after seeing feedback that people wanted more visibility into utility/defensive options, with things like Don't Blink, Guardian Soul and Perfect Timing. Another post looking at a couple more utility keystones from the Inspiration tree this week as a result. We haven't yet locked down what we'll be looking at after that though. Suggestions would be much appreciated.


Malphite

We've been testing some Malphite changes that have shown quite a bit of promise, in particular giving him a stronger edge against physical damage comps, really playing up his W as a physical damage counter. Haven't yet found the right set of other changes to pair with those buffs though, so we'll be pushing that work into 7.19 instead. Malphite's performing ok already, so don't want to overbuff him, but also want to ensure we're not accidentally hitting him harder than intended.


Pre-Season and Game Balance

Pre-season's coming up soonish and we figured it might be good to talk about game balance during it a bit. Short version is we're expect pre-season to be pretty messy for a little bit. All pre-seasons are a bit chaotic, since there's a lot changing, and this pre-season's likely to be the biggest yet, given the new Runes system will impact both champion and item balance more than any of our previous individual patches.

We're putting a lot of time into compensating for that already of course. Internal testing gives us only a small fraction of the number of games a live release does though, so we'll get a lot more understanding of what needs work once pre-season goes out. We'll be working to get anything that's out of line back into a good spot as quickly as possible, whether that's individual Runes that are too strong or too weak, champions that aren't getting the right mix of whatever it is. We'll likely do a moderate amount of that through micro patches too, jump on things that clearly need significant changes quicker rather than waiting for the next standard patch.


Ryze Tweaks

We’ll be taking a look at some Ryze stuff soon, with the goal of reducing his difference in power between regular play and organized teams (if he’s balanced to be appropriately strong for regular matchmade games he’s nuts in pro play especially). Approach there’s likely to be similar to the Shen work we did earlier in the year, so moving power around to change strengths and weaknesses rather than changing ability functionality much. Ryze has long been a problem child of course, so not expecting he’ll necessarily be solved after this work, or that we’ll necessarily hit on things worth shipping immediately, figured it was worth mentioning though, both for visibility’s sake and to see whether any of you folks have particularly strong ideas we should be considering in addition to the things we’re already looking at (wave clear, ability to farm, ult coordination requirements etc).

377 Comments

Adalvar8/22/2017, 4:37:57 PM19 votes

have you guys considered reworking item 3070 into a starter value item that gains stacks from minion kills like item 1083 currently works?

The issue with item 3070 currently is that picking it up on the first buy back against someone who picks it up a combat stat item (item 3802 item 1038 item 3134 ) leaves you a sitting duck and not only that it screws up you item pathing and delays key item breakpoints.

By remaking item 3070 into a minion stacking starter value item (that can then be built into it's current upgrades) you will still have that weak early lane, but you won't be left as open prey for any early game bully.

Thoughts?

Slyx the Rat8/22/2017, 4:05:14 PM14 votes

Hey Meddler,

Twitch Twitch has a petty high banrate at the moment. This is really frustrating for people who actually main him and enjoy this champion. Is there really nothing planned for him even he is out of the line since several months????

fishý8/22/2017, 4:13:46 PM12 votes

Can you tell us anything about Evelynn? really excited for her rework

Spideraxe8/22/2017, 3:55:09 PM12 votes

Glad you guys are looking into Ryze again, I want to unironically ask if this essentially means another Ryze rework

WoonStruck8/22/2017, 4:02:42 PM9 votes

Also, Ryze suggestion:

#Zhonya's is self-CC. Ryze ult should be canceled by it.

warpenguin5558/22/2017, 4:42:06 PM8 votes

Thoughts on how certain people seem to be abusing the voting system to make you see only certain comments?

Rovert duBelmont8/22/2017, 3:54:17 PM7 votes

After showing off more defensive runes, what if the next set of reveals focuses on early-game vs. late game rune setups? The new system seems poised to really double down on the early/late game strategies that players have.

If there's mid game stuff, maybe that too. :P

Moonboy658/22/2017, 3:56:44 PM7 votes

Meddler, do you have any news on the ability icon updates?

Sw4de8/22/2017, 4:24:50 PM6 votes

https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/BewitchedCautiousBanteng

http://imgur.com/ceuG1Od

Is riot ok with a jungler 3 levels behind, 2300gold behind, face tanking q, 2 e's 2 passive procs, and half a second of my ultimate, and still 100-0ing me easily?

Combat smites were introduced during a time where junglers were both xp and gold starved, thats not true anymore, this is low level game, where the jungler hasn't farmed or pathed efficiently, and is still winning 1v1's against a mega fed midlaner really easily, that doesnt seem healthy for the game when a role with the highest map impact by far is also the strongest 1v1 role in the game.

AFilthyCaitMain8/22/2017, 6:19:15 PM6 votes

Hey Meddler, What is your stance/thoughts on Caitlyn at this moment? It seems like shes kinda lost everything really. Base stats, Scalings, etc.

Zallamance8/22/2017, 4:12:42 PM5 votes

Now that Swain is being reworked, being more oriented on the unique play style he has, his title of master tactician has become available. Do you guys see yourselves ever making a champ who's game play feels like that of a tactician? Ie: careful and pre-mitigated planning, clever predictions in order to be successful?

Illâoi Evê Siôn8/22/2017, 4:16:26 PM4 votes

Could we get a Magic Resistance & Cooldown Reduction component item for Abyssal Mask and Adaptive Helm, please?

SteelMankind8/22/2017, 4:36:12 PM3 votes

On Ryze and reducing power difference between pro and regular play:

Perhaps he could lose his rank 2 ult (as in, ult can only be leveled once). Doing this cuts out what made him really strong in pro play and opens up room to buff other things like base mana for an easier lane phase.

The extra skill point could be used on Q an additional time.

Octavia8/24/2017, 1:16:28 AM3 votes

i have an idea its called the instantly kill everyone in the game rune and it kills everyone instantly