Quick Gameplay Thoughts: May 19

RiotMeddler·5/19/2017, 5:01:19 PM·1 votes·75,810 views

Morning all,

Smaller bits and pieces today. We should be in a spot where we can start talking about some of our plans for the rest of the year soon, for now we're still in mid-season followup time though.


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Zac

Looks like we definitely overbuffed Zac in 7.10. We're looking at the best way to tone his power down at present, and figuring out just how out of line he is or isn't. Possible that happens in a hotfix, more likely 7.11 changes though unless we get a clear read on what exactly the biggest issue is and it looks urgent enough to not wait.


Guardian Angel

We've been testing a nerf to GA on the PBE, exploring a approach where it's less effective on champions doing really well already (higher CD, CD reduced if you're dying repeatedly, thereby bringing the total number of 'deaths' it procs on somewhat closer for winning/losing teams). That's shown some promise, we're going to hold off on shipping it or other changes for now though. It's not clear enough GA's a problem, rather than just really popular but overrated. Planning to reassess for the next patch.


Icon Updates

Should be a few more of these coming soon. Up next, Amumu and then, if memory serves Ahri.


Yasuo

Mid-season was kind to Yasuo, leaving him noticeably stronger. We're taking some power out in 7.11 as a result, reducing the duration he can hold his Q buff after hitting a target (both the initial buildup buff and the knockup buff). Some of that's reducing the duration Yasuo can threaten with the Q3. It's also intended to make Yasuo more dependent on allied knockups, making him a more or less attractive pick based off team comps. That's likely a direction we'll continue to investigate in future as well.


L e B l a n c

We got back to looking at LB this patch. LB definitely needs work, she's been a problem since her update in pre-season. The changes we've been testing aren't hitting the mark at present however. We'll be looking at possible directions again next week. Apologies for ongoing lack of details on this one.


15 minute unanimous surrender

The early surrender option went out a few days ago in 7.10. We're seeing a bit of early friction around it in some games, based off the earlier test we ran in Oceania for a couple of months that's not unexpected. What we saw there was, after a settling down period, surrender rates before and after the introduction of the earlier option were unchanged. Effectively some games that would have been surrenders at 20 became surrenders at 15 instead. Other things we were measuring (afk rates, number of reports per game etc) didn't meaningfully change. We expect we'll see a similar trend in other regions, going to be keeping an eye on that though. If that's not the case would certainly be worth discussing adjustments (is this a feature that's a good fit for some regions but not others? Is 15 mins the correct time? Etc).

269 Comments

Rockman5/19/2017, 5:39:59 PM13 votes

Meddler, you have Leblanc written as Le Blanc in the post.

Please hot fix

Wendígo5/19/2017, 5:18:31 PM12 votes

Off-topic But duplicate bans in the 10 ban system is going to result in wasted bans Resulting in player frustration

Ahristocats5/19/2017, 5:39:35 PM10 votes

Hey Meddler, like the last time i have a lot of questions concerning league balance Corki data shows that this dude is the most unpopular champion+is underperforming with like 40% win rate doesn't he need something? i hate to see weak champions

Janna recently i realised that her ult doesn't knock back through walls anymore despite it not being in the patchs (it could before there are multiple youtube videos showing it) Was it too broken to be removed? Lee sin ult and alistar W can still knock back through walls

item 3116 thoughts on this item? it's been a long time since the changes Rylai used to be built on Burst mages like Syndra/annie, and now Rylai is only being built on morde (for obvious reasons) and support mages like brand/zyra Bruisers likeSwain Rumble Amumu Elise Vladimir stopped building it, especially Singed who went to build things like item 3800 item 3742

i just want to know if you're fine with current Rylai being only good on support mages, or if you think it needs buffs for AP bruisers it's also worth remembering that the build path became bad for champions like singed

sincerly Janna

Ganked By Tilt5/19/2017, 8:57:01 PM8 votes

I just don't get why ANY rioter won't comment on Diana Diana , its like they're avoiding her...

Rovert duBelmont5/19/2017, 5:09:58 PM8 votes

Hi, Meddler, hope you're doing well.

I noticed some changes for Sion on the pbe, the one exciting me the most being the buff to the health scaling for his shield.

How likely is that change here to stay? Do you think Sion is in a good spot with it?

Thanks for your consideration.

Glîtchy5/19/2017, 5:03:15 PM8 votes

I just vote no buff for Leblanc, as she already does stupid damage while her blink is basically an "oh I fucked up" ability.

Solari Fortune5/19/2017, 5:25:09 PM6 votes

I was wondering if Riot has any plans for Leona? I feel she has gotten shoved out of the way by a lot of other tanks so she never has a chance to shine (pun not intended) Could something possibly be adding some other way she can contribute? Cause atm all she can do is just engage and standing around waiting for an opportunity to do so can be rather annoying. Plus, it would be nice if she could have an option to get herself out of a situation like some other tanks like Sej, Naut, and Zac for example.

Shahamut5/19/2017, 7:12:27 PM6 votes

Hey Meddler, its been a while, I just want to know if my pal Skarner is still on yall's radar.

It seems to me, and many others, that Skarner was really more of a speedster/skirmisher prior to juggernaut changes... It feels like you guys are unsure of what you want Skarner to be. Can we get some feedback on the scorpion?

"many others" I can post a link to a recent thread I started if you wish. I have made several other posts in the past, but they don't much attention so they are rarely seen. But the people who do comment on them all seem to feel the same.

Aaravos5/19/2017, 5:25:17 PM6 votes

Thoughts on item 3102 ? Why it is cheaper than item 3157? Same stats and the spell shield is at least as strong as the stasis if not more in some situations. Just a personaly opinion, but the tradeoffs for item 3102 is too small right now considering how hard counter it is against a lots of champion. I also feel mages are too safe with item 3102 and item 3157 together and i worry it will hit the mid lane diversity hard. (especially on competitive SCEENE) item 3102 Could rly handle +200g.

Chromatic Eagle5/19/2017, 5:49:19 PM4 votes

Could you explain what you're trying to do with BotRK? At first it looked like you were changing the stats between melee and ranged. Now it looks like you are flat nerfing it across the board.

Skaom5/19/2017, 6:23:37 PM2 votes

There was talk about nerfing yasuos e dash cooldowns from 0.5/0.4/0.3/0.2/0.1 to 1/0.75/0.5/0.25/0. I did not see you mention this in these gameplay thoughts. Does that mean those changes have been scrapped as an idea for nerfs? Please respond, my hasagi depends on it.

EvilUnicornLord5/19/2017, 5:11:49 PM1 votes

Soooo, how about instead you guys take away Yasuo's second passive (the crit one) and buff him in other areas so he doesn't get broken when you buff crit for our poor adcs?

Just a thought. Don't hate me for it, Yasuo mains, lower banrate is better.

I've been wrong before!