Quick Gameplay Thoughts: April 18

RiotMeddler·4/18/2017, 3:49:34 PM·1 votes·34,688 views

Hey all,

Mid-season stuff should hit PBE today! Really looking forward to seeing everyone's thoughts after it does. Some bits and pieces below in the meantime.


Support Basic Attacks

As part of our ongoing work on the support position we've got a mixture of both large and small changes planned. We've talked about the revised support starting items already, which is the largest support focused piece in mid-season. As a smaller change though we've also got some feel improvements to the basic attacks of various champions often played as support too. Those are generally champs who aren't very auto attack based. On one hand that means having a good feeling auto attack isn't as critical as it is on say a marksmen. On the other hand it's also tended to mean their attacks haven't received the same attention in past, so there's a lot of room for improvement. We've got some tweaks coming to Sona, Morg, Annie, Janna, Nami and Soraka in 7.9.


Ancient Coin

The ancient coin line changes will hopefully be one of the more interesting things hitting PBE today, at least for bot lane players. For anyone wanting to do a bit of early theorycrafting the stats we're currently testing on Coin at 22g at Tier 1 and 32g at Tiers 2 and 3 on gold coins, with 8% missing mana restored on mana coins. More details on our goals with those items to follow later today, we're hoping amongst other things to make Coin a more interesting and appealing choice on a wider range of champions.


10 Bans in Ranked and Draft

We haven't talked about ban changes for a bit, they're certainly not forgotten though. Should be able to get back to some details about that after mid-season, with work on the new client coming along well getting some needed pre-requisites out of the way.


Poacher's Dirk

We're also testing out some small tweaks to Poacher's Dirk in 7.9. It's an item that's under performed since its introduction that we've hesitated to buff because some of its likely potential users have been challenging to balance. We're at the point though where we think we can make at least some changes to make it a bit more attractive versus just buying a couple of long swords to upgrade later. We're looking at a lower cost and CD, paired with a bit less AD, as a result.

141 Comments

Big Lincoln4/18/2017, 4:27:43 PM24 votes

You should change the name of these segments to Meddler's Musings. it's pretty catchy imo

Thrace4/18/2017, 8:58:08 PM6 votes

Since I can't seem to get a response anywhere else from Riot:

Any chance the Coin change can be different? I only play Support and honestly relying on pickups for gold is not a good mechanic. As a Thresh, you already miss a lot of souls because it's absolutely not safe to walk over a minion corpse. When this sort of mini-game mechanic starts starving gold income, it's really bad. The coin pickup gravity radius (of sorts) would need to be much larger than Thresh souls or else you'll be leaving a lot on the map. Did anyone internally ask the broader player base of Supports if Coin is a problem? I for one like that while my overall gold income may be lower over time, that I don't have to do kitchy things for income (and the added sustain matters a lot for squishy enchanters or can't run forward to pick up scraps).

Can we have a discussion that doesn't start with this decision already being made instead of tweaks to it? It's really not appealing on so many levels. The triumverate works well now. One for sturdy melee, one for dmg/pokey ranged, and one for those champs that really, never want to be near opponents. So not you're forcing them to walk into potentially dangerous situations just to acquire the game's most basic currency? Sorry, another edit. Do we really want to create a scenario where the enemy bot lane can actually freeze a Support out of their already limited gold income? That sounds horrible with little recourse for a heal/shield centric champ

Nomez4/18/2017, 9:23:23 PM5 votes

Bugfixes Mordekaiser :^) ?

Daddy Zernii4/18/2017, 5:05:02 PM5 votes

Hi Meddler, When we can expect Urgot rework? Patch 6.13? 6.15?

Fałłen4/18/2017, 4:51:56 PM5 votes

Any zekes passive changes ?

Mastęr Yi4/18/2017, 8:42:31 PM5 votes

Hi Meddler,

About the Poacher's Dirk I think its problem is the gap of rewarding.

At the first two counter jungle you take the risk of feeding but even you succeed you get nothing, all rewards only comes after the successful 3rd counter jungle. This method makes players depressed until they finish the 3rd counter, and that's why I give up this item when I play Shaco.

Making the reward more smooth will help a lot, for example:

after the 1st successful counter jungle, you can get +5 AD on Poacher's Dirk as a reward.

then the 2nd, another +5 AD (same with Serrated Dirk now)

then after the 3rd counter jungle, +10 Lethality and change to Serrated Dirk.

Hige4/18/2017, 4:08:14 PM4 votes

still a bit scared about coin... allowing gold to be obtained like that will further empower mages and even adcs to play as supports even if they aren't precisely healthy for the role, malzahar comes to mind and currently MF is probably walking that path too... but we'll see

Oelyk4/18/2017, 4:04:17 PM3 votes

I like the prospect of happing support auto attacks being more interesting besides procing spellthief and bandit gold, but I am a bit concern that you included Annie in that list... Will the changes actually buff her mid because I have concerns that it may make her laning phase more oppressive than it should be for an immobile late game AOE nuke mage. (I play Orianna and I know the power of her auto attacks, not only is it good against pet type champions(Zyra, Malzahar) because it does 2 bars of health, but trading auto attacks early almost always goes in your favor due to a self shield, which Annie has.)

Spyglass4/18/2017, 7:15:17 PM3 votes

As an ADC player, Nami already has a super sexy auto-attack animation, and it flows well into her spell rotation. I'm not gonna lie, I'm a little worried ya'll are gonna break it by poking something that doesn't need fixing.

Take a Nami main's word before mine, of course - but I know I'm not alone in thinking fishtits is an excellent auto-attacker as is.

Morning Raven4/18/2017, 6:28:45 PM3 votes

So far I'm excited for the changes, though I play all the supports having AA changes so I'm mildly concerned what's gonna happen. If it's number changes I will worry to no end. If it's animation updates and bug fixes I'm a happy camper.

Predatorator4/19/2017, 8:38:22 AM2 votes

Hey Meddler, is Skarner still eligible for some work during the midseason? i'm talking about a power-neutral change aimed at making him less dependent on the spires.

To give more context, there was the intention to do some work on him during last preseason, to address such issues. but we got no news since then, so i was wondering if there was still the intention to do something...

Zielmann4/18/2017, 4:28:48 PM2 votes

One more thing, regarding Ancient Coin: Why are the drops reliant on allies killing the minions? This pretty much goes against the whole idea of allowing supports to have more agency. I'm a support main playing in silver, and I really don't like the thought of my own income being tied directly to my carry's ability to farm. Why not just make the drops come from minions who simply aren't killed by the carrier of the coin?

Or am I just misreading "killed by anyone other than you"?

TwoFingrPeekaboo4/18/2017, 6:00:51 PM2 votes

Hey Meddler! Any thoughts about sivir right now? Her core item is pretty bad rn and she is hard bullied by the bork rush that's so popular rn. The crit changes also don't help her amazingly well.

champagnearci74/18/2017, 11:11:04 PM2 votes

You won't reply to me as usual but let me try again: Any thoughts on Ryze? Nearby changes or atleast just thinking about how could you change it? I think he is not in a good spot and he is not going to be seen anymore with tanks update.

ºˉ GeMıNı4/18/2017, 11:16:16 PM2 votes

heimerdinger? .... HEIMERDIGNER? you're such a tease. item 3070 Heimerdinger

Penta Penguin4/18/2017, 5:12:29 PM1 votes

Is there anything you can do to nerf / discourage AD Thresh?

robotmaster4/18/2017, 4:16:26 PM1 votes

So the coins drop by ancient coin would work like thresh's souls? If so how often would they drop? I just ask because i want to know how often I would need to zone them off from said coins.

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