Quick Gameplay Thoughts: April 20

RiotMeddler·4/20/2017, 5:24:21 PM·1 votes·27,618 views

Morning all,

Mid-season work's going through it's final phases at the moment. We've got all the content on the PBE now from memory, though some of it still needs final balancing, bug fixing or asset polish still.


Rift Herald

Speaking of ongoing polish there's a lot currently going into the updated Rift Herald. As a heads up there'll likely also be a bit of further polish that comes in 7.10 as well. We've got some finishing touches that probably won't be ready for 7.9, so we'll be looking to get those in quickly after as a result.


Ivern

Unless anything significantly changes we'll be doing a balance pass on Ivern in 7.10. As mentioned previously 7.9 won't contain many individual champion balance changes, given both that the systemic changes will affect balance on most champs to some degree and that we're still very focused on finishing mid-season itself. We are starting to line up likely projects for the following patch however.


Starting Items for Passive Support Playstyles

One of the concerns we've seen expressed since we revealed the changes to the Ancient Coin line is that it's no longer a good option for a really passive playstyle. In terms of how you get rewards as a support that's very much intended, we want reward to be tied to action with a meaningful difference between good and poor choices, something old Coin didn't have. We certainly do want to ensure Coin feels like a good option on squishier ranged champs though, so will be tuning things like coin drop position and pick up radius to ensure trying to get them isn't suicide for non tanky champs. We'll also be watching champs like Soraka and Janna who often aren't great fits with Spellthief's to ensure they're not just left without a good starting item.


Non Gameplay Impacting: Feeney Art for Rakan and Xayah

A while back we put up a dev blog talking about Feeney art (light hearted temporary loading screen art for champions in development). More about it at the link below. Now that they're out we can also share the Feeney art for Rakan and Xayah for anyone interested, which was what we see loading into playtests for many months before the final splash art was done. As with the final splash art for duo the Feeney art was also made as one piece, then cut in half with that intent it would be shown side by side. That had the added little benefit of being a fun way to test that some code changes to ensure Xayah and Rakan were positioned appropriately on the loading screen worked as intended too.

http://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/2017/02/before-theres-splash-art-theres-feeney-art/

Rakan Feeney art: http://imgur.com/HmNAVpC

Xayah Feeney art: http://imgur.com/YyPmpFM

129 Comments

Tormentula4/20/2017, 5:30:16 PM8 votes

Is skarner going to be looked into after midseason? He's been ignored during the jungle balance pass, never given buffs to handle the new jungle better, and the tank update hasn't really done him any favors besides buff better champions than him (and even made maokai new competition for picking). Even the itemization is much worse for him since banshee's no longer works for him, and he can't really ult the squishy mages because of their new banshee's.

KONO RUBICK DA4/20/2017, 5:40:08 PM7 votes

i hope you do realise that according to LOLKING Lulu has close to 90% ban rate in master tier above while having ~~50% ban rate in plat+

why aren't you talking about her? it's been since 2 months her ban rate spiked while her win rate is high people are tired of playing against an overpowered champion

isn't the goal of league to balance the game and nerf overpowered champs? cause this logic doesn't seem to be applied to lulu, she's COMPLETLY INVISIBLE in your threads

https://youtu.be/kC2OZUzvif8?t=4641

her laning phase is TEN TIMES WORSE than malz, and malz gets nerfed first

i don't know how, as a support main, i literally don't know how to deal with a point and click 650 range nuke + empowered AA

and so do all those people baning her

iahim984/20/2017, 6:34:40 PM6 votes

Meddler, about nerfing Ivern, have you guys considered removing the second buff when Ivern or an ally kills red or blue, I know it was made so Ivern can give buffs to others, but a team having an extra blue and red seems like an unintended strength (especially early game, where no buff would be given) , it can simply be changed in the buff just dropping and have the person who wants it to channel for a bit (where do we even see those animations anymore).

Winterkill4/20/2017, 9:28:50 PM6 votes

@Meddler

I just don't understand why the team and you think changing the support starting items is going solve all of the problems with the role. You changed the support starting items a few years ago and the gold income. None of those changes solved the problems with support role. You added more shield/heal enhancing items into the game in an attempt to make the role more interesting. The problem is it made enchanters like Karma, Janna and others do nothing but sit and the back and not be interactive. Boring gameplay and lazy work on a role that is already lacking interaction and gameplay. I just don't think your Development teams or you understand what the real problem is.

  1. The support itemization is terrible and is not every interactive. Other roles have all of these neat items that do a bunch of different stuff . . . and all supports have are 4 or 5 items that increase the effectiveness of shields and heals.

  2. Your past work on supports was very lazy. At least with new support champions, you are doing their heals and shields in a different way that makes it more interactive and unique. There is no distinction or really any interesting gameplay between Karma, Janna, Lulu, and Sona mechanics. They are all very bland in terms of champions, build the same items, and their kits are eerily familiar. To this day I do not understand why you removed Karma's shield bomb . . . that would have made her stand out amongst other enchanters and even some midlaners. Janna and Lulu seem like a missed opportunity . . . . . with so much in their lore and what you can do with them . . . . you give us this . . . .

Adding a stupid quest system and changing the starting support items is not going to solve the problems with the support role. You know what the issues are. You just don't care. I can sit here and suggest so many ideas for new support items and changes to existing champions to make them more unique, but you wouldn't care. Players have been telling you this for the past few years and you seem to think the only thing that needs attention is, yet again, the starting items. Please listen to the community.

How do you think adding mundane little quests to support starting items is going to solve the problem and make the role more interesting? We are still going to have a role that is not very impactful, the itemization is still bland with a ton of heal/shield enhancing passive attached to it, and almost all of the champions build alike and have the same kit. It just seems like you don't care about the role . . . since you keep pushing it back for another tank, adc, or ad role update. The support role needs the next gameplay update. I am sorry . . . . . there is more wrong with the role than just the starting items, you think is the exact problem.

Càne4/20/2017, 6:12:41 PM6 votes

I really wanna know when the promised rek'sai update will come. Also is there anything planned for kindred?

Casual Skarner4/20/2017, 5:58:18 PM5 votes

@meddler any news for skarner? its been a year since the followup post PD: PLEASE

Onkel Malte4/20/2017, 6:33:58 PM5 votes

Love to hear that Janna 's autos and her starting item are going to be adressed, her short AA range makes item 3303 a bad pick for her.

Just wanna leave itt there, that a few people still want a Malzahar revert like with Kog'Maw and I hope you might take it nto consideration.

Tomeksz4/20/2017, 5:45:49 PM5 votes

Hi Meddler! Quick question, is Urgot rework going to be released before the next new champion?

Malicious Metal4/20/2017, 6:20:54 PM4 votes

So, with a lot more champions picking up Gunblade and basically using it for the exact same reason DFG was being used (another burst spell on a low cd on an already bursty kit) do you have any plans on nerfing it?

Something I always thought was out of place was the active only scaling off AP and not having a dual scaling.

Anyways, I personally think if it were to become overbearing when built on mages for example the active should be the first thing worth looking at.

Spideraxe4/20/2017, 5:54:50 PM4 votes

And before anyone asks Meddler about Leblanc, Ricklessabandon noted they'll look at her again after midseason https://www.reddit.com/r/LeBlancMains/comments/639why/comment/dfsivea

DonnieDarkin4/20/2017, 6:37:26 PM4 votes

So can we address the cancer that is Graves? He does too much too well. I don't think anyone can argue against that. So why does he remain the way he is? Oh also, reducing his magic resist wont do a damn thing.

Nausicäa 4/20/2017, 6:08:49 PM3 votes

Regarding the new Banshee's Veil, how is giving every mage spell shield not terrible for the game? It will stifle aggression in the mid lane and totally screw over long cooldown/combo mages. In addition to that no one likes playing against spell shields, they are anti fun/annoying.

The Yetii Rider4/20/2017, 9:50:59 PM3 votes

Okay Meddler, so I can understand Janna's incentives...somewhat. She has to burn her shield cooldown and some mana to pick up gold (probably just leaves the mana gems alone because it wouldn't even cover the cost of her E) but what is Soraka supposed to do with this new coin? 325 MS, can't heal herself, her Q gives her MS when she's running away and not towards...

Plus these very obvious coin drops just seem like they're going to make Blitz/Thresh/Leona so easy to bully with. You see a Coin drop and you sit and wait. Either they don't go for the coin or they do and you grab them and murder them. I suppose that's a bit more "interaction" but it hardly seems fair for the sheer level of power that a hook ability has that early in the game. Especially since you intentionally made the ranged supports' base MS so bad to make getting hooked easier and more punishing.

Martian Spartan4/20/2017, 7:33:20 PM3 votes

I just wanted to thank you guys (and will soon on the boards) for the udyr changes. I finally can feel the scaling, and can make an impact without being ahead. ty so much for listening to feedback! :)

DragonShea4/20/2017, 6:41:58 PM2 votes

420

Smoke weed today.

But in all fairness I am a bit disappointed by the lack of tanks getting a rework for the mid season update. I am guessing that the MSU is there to lay the foundations for the Rammus, Malphite and other future VGUs are coming up.

Rengar Top Lane4/20/2017, 7:42:26 PM2 votes

@Meddler May some changes be made to Rengar to push him from the bruiser Rengar playstyle/tank renlgar playstyle instead of keeping assassin Rengar in the shadows the entire season? Old Q can be balanced by making the aa portion not crit, W heal removing %heal would also make people not want to build bruiser to abuse heals in extended fights. Ult crit removal and bringing back true vision of all targets OR he can see the targets he's already hunted because he remembers their scent.

Cabruh4/20/2017, 7:52:34 PM2 votes

Hey Meddler ive been asking this for awhile with no responses :(. Will Heimerdinger get any love this patch? He's spent quite some time in the gutter. I can hear him yelping "EUREKA" every time a patch bites him in the ass.

Korios4/20/2017, 5:30:43 PM2 votes

It seems that the new Maokai is pretty underwhelming for some players, his main problems are: slow W, E doesn't do enough damage and his Ult is slow and worse compared to his old one.Any changes planned? Or is it too soon?

Lord Desert4/20/2017, 5:42:32 PM1 votes

Could we get some additional intel regarding the upgraded Queen's Tribute and EmPoro's Favor? Havnt seen any infos about them :/

IS1c1c176269cfdf4/20/2017, 5:32:11 PM1 votes

Hey Meddler. Any news on the Lissandra passive front? The recent buff to her was pretty underwhelming IMO, so I'm guessing you still have something planned?