Quick Gameplay Thoughts: November 1

RiotMeddler·11/1/2017, 3:51:34 PM·1 votes·78,330 views

Morning folks,


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Champs without Keystone Runes

One of the things we'll be looking at the most once pre-season goes out is whether each champ has keystones that meet their needs sufficiently. While we're confident there are multiple keystones that are useful on every champ that doesn't necessarily mean there'll be keystones that are good fits for them in the tree they want to go for a particular position.

A good example of that is Nunu, who if wanting to jungle while going resolve primary may or may not have good choices. Aftershock's not available to him at all (nothing on his kit triggers it). Grasp of the Undying is available, but looking at how the mastery version of it has gone hasn't been that appealing on him historically at least. He could take Guardian, especially given BloodBoil will trigger it, though it's not yet clear if that'll be worth considering on him.

Assuming there are champs, whether Nunu or others, who need some help with keystones then we'll be considering a few options:

  • Changing how some keystones trigger/interact to include otherwise excluded champs. A recent example of something similar is how Sudden Impact now triggers on leaving stealth as well, not just after dashes/blinks.
  • Adding new keystones to fill needed gaps. This approach is most likely if there are a range of champions all showing the same problems (DoT mages potentially, though the Arcane Comet changes may have met that need).
  • Buffing individual champs. If some champs have adequate keystone options, but don't synergize as strongly with them as others, the right fix might be to just buff them a bit.

Adjusting some champ and skin VO

We're currently looking at champs and skins that play their VO to everyone, with the aim of adjusting those that are too chatty, resulting in an annoying experience for others. We've already made some tweaks to Pulsefire Caitlyn, so if you've found the VO playing alongside or against that skin excessive in the past let us know if it's still a problem. Next up is Super Galaxy Rumble, who'll get toned down in an upcoming patch (maybe 7.23, not sure exactly yet). We'll be looking at other skins and champs after that too at some point, so let us know if there are particular ones you think are out of line.


Word Clouds

One of the ways we look champion survey data is by aggregating commonly used phrases into what are called word clouds. Examples of a few of those below, since when we've mentioned them in the past some people have expressed an interest in seeing some of them. Each word cloud is for a single champion and reflects what players tell us about them when we run surveys in the LoL client. The larger a word is the more often it was used. We've found these to be a useful tool in conveying things like:

  • What players see as the defining features of a champion
  • How wide ranging different views of a champion are (e.g. are there words that contradict each other cropping up from different groups of players frequently?)
  • Whether or not a champion has a well fleshed out personality (e.g. are all the large words on the cloud purely talking about how a champion's abilities work or does some of their character also come through prominently?)
  • Etc

https://imgur.com/a/Sbl5x

418 Comments

Jkrexx11/1/2017, 4:30:12 PM42 votes

I'd love to see more of these word clouds, they're interesting and somewhat comical... When I saw "Frostbutt" was in the cloud on #4 I burst out laughing

Dessem11/1/2017, 3:57:58 PM24 votes

So what you're saying is, Irelia has no personality, Teemo is just annoying, and Braum is a 'stache?

so let us know if there are particular ones you think are out of line.

THROW ANOTHER ROCK.

Please nerf Taliyah's VO.

Quackas11/1/2017, 4:22:53 PM21 votes

Hey Meddler,

Going off topic but...

How do you feel about the Hextech-earn-a-chest-with-S-on-a-champion-you-own-but-haven't-got-S-before-on system now that we have had it in play for a while?

Are there going to be any changes to the system with the new season?

My personal thoughts on it:

As a Blitz OTP: every week I have to play a champ I never play until I get lucky enough to get an S-. This usually results in 5-10 games of absolutely terrible play and a 30% winrate at best because I never play this champ...until I get enough familiarity to get an S and then I go back to playing the champ I ACTUALLY WANT TO PLAY.

Was this the intention of the system?

It is a very tiresome system, forcing players to constantly pick up different champs long enough to get a reward. If I could just play Blitz and get multiple S rankings for more chests it would be far more enjoyable... Like first chest get 1 S- on Blitz, then second chest get an S, third get an S+, fourth get 2 S- and so forth.

And then there is the limited champion pool... I have earned an S on EVERY support this season and then even some champs most wouldn't consider support... I can't imagine what an ADC main has to do with their even more limited champion pool.

Play a different role? I won't get an S... Support main for lyfe.

Wendígo11/1/2017, 3:59:45 PM17 votes

Who called my boi Braum boring? I’ll kill ‘em

TiberiusAudley11/1/2017, 3:55:11 PM13 votes

I like how both spellings of mustache are near the top of Braum's word cloud.

Bunnymap11/1/2017, 3:55:02 PM10 votes

Gotta love the misspelled shield above moustache

Linna Excel11/1/2017, 4:15:33 PM9 votes

Meddler, this probably needs a bigger conversation but do you see all of the following as a possibility:

  • remove sightstone and its upgrades
  • buff yellow trinket, allow an upgrade option into a pink trinket at level 9 or whatever
  • add an 8th dedicated item slot for red pill or blue pill

I feel like sightstone isn't really needed anymore because we have yellows now, so maybe getting rid of it and improving team vision is the best thing to do going forward.

HalcyonDweller11/1/2017, 4:48:00 PM9 votes

On the topic of reducing obnoxious shared VOs...

Yasuo says "Hasagi" every time he casts q, which is kind of obnoxious, since Q is on such a low cooldown for him.

Could that be toned down at all?

Califlower11/1/2017, 3:56:57 PM6 votes

Any plans on changing Poppy in the preseason, her stats look like she needs some love

Zagula Biggs11/1/2017, 5:43:42 PM5 votes

Hi Meddler,

Since you guys are looking at changes for Leblanc at some point (I think after runes have settled), are there any plans for my boy Fizz to get some looks? His W definitely needs some work imo.

MiIf Fortune11/1/2017, 4:00:58 PM4 votes

Hi meddler i have some vo questions.

How come in spanish lan voices, when they randomly get base champions updates when they get a legendary skin or just a random time, but we are stuck to only getting lux and maoki getting random voice updates and then maybe miss fortune with her upcoming splashes? Have you ever considered doing a "modern" (2 minute) vo update for alpha champs? Such as 2015 where alot of champs for half vus but no new voices (Shen, Alistar, Kassadin, Singed, Fiora) is there any plans at all at updating voices?

got em lmao11/1/2017, 4:00:13 PM3 votes

Any thoughts about keystone diversity for mages? It seems like most are pigeonholed into comet, even if it is suboptimal

CattySpaceDragon11/1/2017, 4:43:39 PM3 votes

Can you finally look at Aurelion Sol in the Preseason? It feels so bad to have literally no chance in some matchups because of the way his Q works. Ever played vs a zed who got a lvl 2 Ezreal gank an now can just kill you whenever you want because he can easy doge your Q and enter your passive zone? Biggest Anti Fun part in the whole game (at least vs Katarina i can do soemthing but Zed and Akali are just to much to play against)

Vanjie11/1/2017, 5:44:42 PM1 votes

Meddler,

Karma mains are still waiting for anything you have to say about her. You mentioned Karma getting a rework a few months ago. You then announced a few weeks ago that the update would be pushed back to next year because of the new rune system. It seems pointless to announce something you are not willing to communicate about. Why did you halt any progress or communication in this game because of the new rune system? What do you want to see happen with Karma and what do you want form us in terms of ideas and suggestions?

You said she needs a lot of changes. Meddler, you confirmed she will be getting a rework. Thank you. You also stated that you would be open to talking about old moves and other ideas on Karma. What are you doing to live up to this comment that you made since you first said she is getting a rework? You have said nothing, you have done nothing, and you have pushed back her rework . . . . and any further progress on this champion . . . . AGAIN. I just think the Karma community is getting sick and tired of you saying one thing and doing something entirely different . . . which is the same thing every year . . . nothing. We want COMMUNICATION about Karma and what you want from us. You got in trouble with us the first time because you refused to communicate and you allowed Ricklessabandon and other Developers to do whatever the hell they wanted.

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Since we are on the topic of VO. One of my friends posted a video of a interaction with the VO actress for Karma, Danielle McRae. These fans were talking to her and she even recited some famous Karma quotes. Well, the only Karma quotes that were created . . . which is like 3 or 4 since Riot doesn't care about her. It got me thinking . . . if a bunch of fans can go up to a VO actress and here some lines, why cannot a company as big as Riot Games pay someone as talented as Danielle McRae to come in and do some extra VO or more work on Karma? The answer is simple. Riot Games have no problem paying to have voice actresses and actors come out for a champion like Ahri or Lux, but when it comes to Karma . . . . for the past 4 years they don't care. You have shown us that no matter what you say and do, you don't give two craps about Karma.

Danielle McRae has more passion about her work than you do, Meddler, and your entire team. If the champion is not Ahri, Lux or Jinx . . . you really don't care. Here is the video and she recites Karma's mantra VO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=144&v=b5n2RAendzo