Quick Gameplay Thoughts: March 9

RiotMeddler·3/9/2017, 6:14:33 PM·1 votes·61,477 views

Hi all,

Thoughts for today below!


7.5 Changes

Patch 7.5 started getting played on yesterday and so we're beginning to get an idea of how it's landed. Too early to say with confidence, but we've got a few initial reactions:

  • Warlord's Bloodlust and Stoneborn Pact (Bond of Stone replacement) seem to be in good spots so far. For now at least they're looking like good choices on some champs, but not all. We'll probably do a bit of tidying up on them at least in 7.6 (might smooth out the healing extremes a little on Warlord's for example, though that's tentative). Quite happy with the changes so far overall though.

  • Aatrox looks like he's almost certainly too weak by a noticeable margin. We're looking at possible buffs, with a decent chance we hotfix at least some of them out. We would expect Aatrox to struggle somewhat as players adapt to new builds, the changed passive etc, it looks like his kit's just too weak as well though. Le Blanc, Varus and MF may also have been hit too hard, so we're both looking at where they've landed to understand it better and considering what we'd do if that were true (want to answer questions like impact on Support MF versus ADC MF, how much LB's performance is affected by some players not yet changing skill rank up orders etc).

  • Think we've smoothed out some unintended mark pain on Kindred, we'll see though. Understanding where they've landed off these changes will be helpful for assessing any possible future needs (making crit more appealing's something we've talked about as an option for example)

  • Lucian changes look promising so far, with a definite feel improvement. Power impact less clear, though we think we're probably less at risk of Lucian being everywhere given his spell ranges are shorter than when that was previously the case, making him hopefully less universal a pick.


Expanded Lux VO

Reav3 talked about this a couple of days ago on Reddit in more detail, figured I'd mention it here as well for anyone that missed it. We've got a lot of new lines for Lux coming in the next patch (same voice actress who did original Lux and Elementalist Lux). That's in part a test of how much impact changing just VO has. Possible we'll do more if it goes well, though too early to say for sure.


Goals for patch 7.6

Gameplay wise patch 7.6 is likely to be smaller than average for a few reasons, focusing mainly on a few balance outliers and followup to 7.5. In no particular order those are:

  • We've got a number of people who'd normally work on standard patch content focused on mid-season at this point.
  • 7.6 is the LCS playoff patch, so we'd like to reduce the amount of change in it at the end of the split as a result.
  • We've had a number of patches with some pretty wide impacting changes in them since pre-season (jungle tuning, masteries adjustments etc). We think it's time for a less changing period as a result (7.7 and 7.8 will also probably have fewer systemic changes than usual too therefore).

218 Comments

Chromatic Eagle3/9/2017, 6:21:05 PM20 votes

Please do more VO updates. It's painful waiting for older champions to get a VGU in the hopes of getting some new lines. Getting a VO doesn't mean Riot has to redo them if/when they get a VGU right?

misfortunas3/9/2017, 6:42:32 PM6 votes

What are the plans on Lissandra and her passive? Didn't you guys discuss that she is in need for a buff this patch?

SKP23en3/9/2017, 6:49:03 PM5 votes

I played the new Aatrox and his passive is an authentic pain against ranged or mobile champions, such as Fiora, Quinn and Yasuo. I understand it takes a while to get used to the new kit, but having to charge the passive to revive him is hard enough without the incredible fast draining.

Thighonia3/9/2017, 9:59:09 PM5 votes

Love the VO updates definitely think you should continue with those. Some stuff for Garen, Shen, Vlad stuff that was touched mid range recently would be super cool

GoldenPiranha3/9/2017, 6:52:26 PM5 votes

Are you guys planing to do more ability icon updates? I would really like to some older champs (jax, malphite, nunu) get some love in regards to that

Udyr May Fire3/9/2017, 11:56:34 PM4 votes

Please give Udyr some love, i want to play him again. Right now there is no way to compete with meta junglers.

BotLaneStopDying3/9/2017, 11:43:58 PM4 votes

Are changes for udyr gonna come in the near future?

Eskimo5033/9/2017, 8:33:43 PM4 votes

I love the idea of of updating old VO so much. I'm sure lux mains are crazy happy they get to hear new lines instead of the old 6-7 usual ones

Nausicäa 3/9/2017, 7:08:06 PM3 votes

Please say new champion release soon. 7.8? Really disappointed that there hasnt been a new champion yet this year.

4GLTE3/9/2017, 7:42:14 PM3 votes

Still no Rek'Sai ?

Winterkill3/9/2017, 8:18:20 PM3 votes

Expanded Lux VO

Reav3 talked about this a couple of days ago on Reddit in more detail, figured I'd mention it here as well for anyone that missed it. We've got a lot of new lines for Lux coming in the next patch (same voice actress who did original Lux and Elementalist Lux). That's in part a test of how much impact changing just VO has. Possible we'll do more if it goes well, though too early to say for sure.

The problem is I doubt anyone is going to really care when I can sit here and list almost 10 other champions that could have benefited from it more than Lux. I don't think the community is even going to care when that time and effort could have been put on to a champion that actually needed it.

Anivia Caitlyn Karma Lulu Janna Teemo Zilean Ezreal Leblanc Garen

and you are sitting here telling me Lux than any of the above champions who have very old VO and don't necessarily need a VU right now, have the blandest and hardly worked on VO and personality, have new lore or a decent personality that you don't seem to care about, and you just don't seem to give a crap about to begin with.

What's next, you are going to give Jinx a full VO and interactions because she is part of your top 10 most loved champions within Riot Games? Your skin Department loves them enough to give them several 1350 RP plus skins.

ProfDrDeath3/9/2017, 6:37:02 PM3 votes

For Varus, from looking at the available data (LoLalytics), it seems to me that his low performance comes a lot from people stuck in their old, Lethality-based build paths.

Specifically, auto-attacking based items have better perfomances than Lethality ones on him since the patch hit, often with differences of over 5%. Does your internal data confirm that?

Blue Moon Wolf3/9/2017, 6:39:47 PM3 votes

I'm really exited for the VO update for Lux, but more so about the idea of many of the older champs also getting VO updates. There is so much that a VO can tell you about the champ and their lore that even their lore page can't really portray. It's also a great way to give a little bit of attention to champs that feel like they are left to sit for years since they aren't too old/ performing poorly enough for a VGU, but don't have that level of personality newer champs have. I really hope you guys keep going with the VO updates. from what I've heard with the Lux VO it already feels like a great improvement for her. I know of a lot of people who are looking forward to the idea of their main getting an updated VO as well.

s7efen3/9/2017, 6:40:19 PM3 votes

I've had a few people mention the warlords proc being used at full health being a bit weird. I believe it uses the same stacking mechanism as static shiv/rfc where it's beneficial to use the proc in any scenario, but with warlords say pre fight the healing being used up on a first auto when you are just entering combat seems kinda annoying. Why should the warlords proc be consumed if you are full health?

Also, is Ashe ult on the list of "hitbox vs particle/animation image mismatch" updates similar to what you did with Chogath W?

Rabblerouser3/13/2017, 3:57:06 AM2 votes

So you're actually balancing around MF support?

Casual Dude3/9/2017, 8:43:36 PM2 votes

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DCYOUNG8883/9/2017, 9:32:57 PM2 votes

Do you know why an unfinished or weird looking urgot model accidentally got released on the PBE a few days ago?

Shadowwalker3/9/2017, 10:21:28 PM2 votes

@Meddler Aatrox definitely needs hot fixes big time. Do hot fixes usually happen within the same patch or do we have to wait for patch 7.6?

väike paks beebi3/10/2017, 6:35:38 PM2 votes

Make Udyr relevant again please <3 Udyr item 3151

InTheory3/9/2017, 6:19:38 PM2 votes

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Kaìju3/10/2017, 4:31:57 AM2 votes

Just wanted to say that I really enjoyed the update to Luxs VO, I think the new lines are fun and fresh and if you guys do more it would be really nice, since new lines can be a smaller version of model updates. Like I know a lot of Ashes models are old and so the draw for Project was the new look but also the lines, and I know Shen, as well as many others would also love new dialogue so that they can feel more lively. Hope you guys do more VO updates and personally, I love the Poppy joke, so more I that, I Wana play her only for her joke.

brat dazni3/10/2017, 10:08:48 AM2 votes

udyr changes? hes a bit weak atm

Illâoi Evê Siôn3/9/2017, 9:29:21 PM1 votes

I just saw the changes to Warlord's Bloodlust on the PBE. I assume your reasoning is the same for heals on heal-dependent champions like Vladimir and Swain? However, Warlord's is supposed to be picked by champions who primarily deal damage. And while champions with a lot of Attack Damage naturally do that (fulfilling that requirement), this change would just nerf champions who seek to reduce the amount of damage dealt, like Tanks through Resistances and some Supports through damage reduction (Exhaust, Sona, Kayle, Taric, etc.). Depending on how well live Warlord's Bloodlust fairs, would you reconsider the current changes on the PBE for their sake?

######If not, would you at least consider reducing the values? Because this is a buff in 100% of the time.

SB Arneeman3/11/2017, 1:08:18 PM1 votes

When are you going to balance Zed? He's very strong and popular right now and with extremely low counterplay compared to many other assassins.