Quick Gameplay Thoughts: October 11

RiotMeddler·10/11/2019, 3:58:21 PM·1 votes·86,569 views

Hi folks,

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Garen and Shaco changes so far

Shaco:

  • Directionally changes seem promising, with the E and R changes especially working as hoped in terms of the gameplay they create.
  • Looks like he's too strong, though probably at nerfs next patch levels not hotfix levels of too strong. First thing we'll test is weaker level one boxes, aimed particularly at hitting how quickly he's clearing his initial camps and hitting level 3.
  • Power wise our minimum goal is to ensure he's not weaker than before the changes, even if we have to pull back on some of the just added power.

Garen:

  • Is also looking too strong and a candidate for nerfs next patch. As expected with Garen he’s less out of line in high MMR, though still on the strong side even there.
  • Not sure yet how good attack speed as a build path is for him post E changes. Our goal was that it should be an option, rather than mandatory or always a mistake.
  • Another goal was to shift power to his early game, the belief being that that's both part of Garen's historic identity we wanted to bring back and generally an appropriate pattern for juggernauts. Does look like that's working so far.
  • In terms of overall power as with Shaco we'd like to ensure that he doesn't end up weaker than before the changes at a minimum.

SR/TT Victorious skin if you don't own the champion?

Since this is a topic that comes up every year - if you hit Gold+ in SR and/or TT and qualify for the Victorious for the year, you will get the skin even if you don't own the champion it's for. You'll then also get the base champion unlocked as an extra bonus.

In terms of who that skin's for we'll announce that a bit later this month.

Why doesn't the ranked season start in December?

This is another question we see pop up fairly often. A lot of people have time on holiday in December but, because we start the ranked season early in the new year, they can't start their ranked climb or play in as competitive a queue. We did try starting a ranked season in December a few years back to see if that was a better overall experience. Our conclusion was that it wasn't worth the trade offs though unfortunately. The gap between preseason going out and ranked turning on being so short means there's not enough time for followup on the preseason changes, leading to a significantly less stable game state for the early parts of the season. That's particularly problematic since there's also a patch at the end of the year that's live for longer than normal (around 4 weeks usually instead of the usual 2), so any issues take longer to get addressed as well.

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160 Comments

E X Ø D ł A 10/11/2019, 4:35:55 PM31 votes

Any new on Wukong update?

or just a simple buff?

i mean hes like a cannon minion atm :/ MonkeyKing

Pirate Pug10/11/2019, 4:39:23 PM9 votes

Hey Meddler! What are thoughts on Spear of Shojin? Its a rather frustrating single powerspike item for champs like Jax and Riven that makes their URF mode feel rather unfair at times with their windows of weakness dramatically shortened.

Spideraxe10/11/2019, 4:01:15 PM5 votes

Hey Meddler do you know how Viktor is doing after the Q hotfix?

Gitarin10/11/2019, 4:01:34 PM5 votes

Any stats on Viktor and how his changes have effected him at all MMRs?

insejuaniwetrust10/11/2019, 4:16:17 PM5 votes

Hey meddler, in this patch will there be buffs or drastic changes for sejuani?Sejuani if there isn't one, why don't you try to make your passive in fights, give him 10 20 30 of armor and mr and he can only stack it so she wouldn't be so problematic for the competitive game. I have almost 2 million mastery with her and right now she can't play, she has no positive matchups, and if the buff will be seen again for her e and her passive, she could reverse the retwork and put her old passive (clear buff) as I said above giving him 10 20 30 of armor and mr, returning the old w the mayal of the north winds (this being the ability to gossip in the jungle) and the e being a stun and that only she can engage her, who can be involved break the ice and make magic dmg and not be a percentage and the good r I would like it to be the old one but if you let this one do the same effect as the one and do more relatization so sejuani would be useful in the soloq and it would stop seeing in competitive.

Larriet10/11/2019, 4:18:53 PM5 votes

Since it's been awhile now, how do you feel the Taliyah changes from last year have landed?

Jar Jar binks l10/11/2019, 4:28:08 PM4 votes

The Garen Rework is great , he is truly a Jaggernaut now. Do u consider nerfing Garen even when conqueror is getting changed and preseason coming up? Isn't it better to balance him in preseason with the changes. U might overnerf him

Venous10/11/2019, 8:30:30 PM4 votes

Hello Meddler,

Karma ?

Tantarboy10/11/2019, 4:10:30 PM3 votes

Hey Meddler, opinion about Galio's current state? OT: Playing any new non-League game lately?

Cdore10/12/2019, 4:09:46 PM3 votes

Bring back sustained fights. I want tanking, healing, and shielding to become a thing again. We had our fun with League of Battle Royale, but there's no amount of thinking involved in fighting anymore. I just watched a 20 min worlds game simply cause they won a couple of skirmishes. Since objectives are easy to take down, the game ends extremely fast. A 20 min baron still sounds strange to me coming from earlier seasons. You can just go for a heavy objective taking/ teamfight draft at champ select and not even care much about lane. Just wait for the right teamfight then get big objectives. Inhib practically spells gg these days, where before it was kinda painful but not enough to end the game on.

Moonboy6510/11/2019, 4:04:00 PM3 votes

Hey Meddler, about the Diana art changes, can you elaborate on them a bit more? Are they base splash update, VFX update or texture update?

Jabalor10/11/2019, 4:03:34 PM3 votes

What are your thoughts on Aurelion Sol after the changes? Is it viable to return the stars toogle back at lvl 9 like Urgots W?

Astrixio10/11/2019, 4:45:23 PM3 votes

Will there be some changes for Karma sometime soon?

Libido10/11/2019, 4:55:13 PM3 votes

Anything on tanks? Tank items? Resolve tree?

YusefAnan10/11/2019, 8:37:30 PM3 votes

Hey Meddler, I have an idea for a Nasus mini rework. Nasus early game is probably the weakest in the game and it feels really bad to play him or play against him. This rework suggestion focuses on making him scale more linearly and have a slightly better early game. Q - gives 4 stacks instead of 3 for small minions and monsters, gives 6 stacks instead of 12 for champions and large monsters. Nasus gets punished very hard for not stacking canon minions. W - Wither is way too strong and extremely frustrating to play against. Remove attack speed reduction and lower the slow and slow duration to maybe 70% for 4s instead of 95% for 5s and speed up the crippling effect. E - Compensation buff for Wither nerfs by increasing base damage and reducing mana cost. R - feels fine no changes needed. I really hope this reaches you guys. Thank you.

Small Boobs Ahri10/11/2019, 4:12:10 PM3 votes

Are there any other champions who will see their VFX updated?

buggirlexpres10/11/2019, 4:17:51 PM2 votes

Hey Meddler, any word on Tahm Kench changes?

meteorbreaker10/11/2019, 4:35:01 PM2 votes

Good night Meddler! 1 What's about Quinn? will there be changes to her? otherwise she’s gaining pickrate now and I’m afraid that she might be nerfed again. 2 And can you helps for old (mb Elise, Shyvana top) and non-standard picks for other roles (mb. top/mid Eve, Ivern)?

Dameshi10/11/2019, 4:46:02 PM2 votes

Hello Meddler,

I've read a few times now about Riot's overall dissatisfaction with Shen's rework. Is there any possibility of him receiving another rework or revert? Is he on the radar at all?

AIQ10/11/2019, 9:21:33 PM2 votes

Could you confirm if your are changing the map once or it will change over and over again per game?

How good or bad will farming the jungle be?

Also congrats on 10 years Riot.

Jenivie10/12/2019, 12:47:30 AM2 votes

Hey Meddler! With karma getting a decent amount of attention lately (Awaken cinematic and now Phoenix), would you guys be willing to update her model to reflect how she looks in these videos? Or possibly give her a mini rework on the same level as ezreals little rework? :)

Krys Star10/11/2019, 6:28:29 PM2 votes

Hello Meddler, it's been a long while since you've mention this but are you able to tease us with the upcoming changes to support items? I remember early in the year you said there would be substantial changes to support items that likely wouldn't go live until pre-season. I'm eager to know what changes are coming, if you can tease any!

WoefulMe10/11/2019, 4:39:34 PM1 votes

I thought TT wasn't getting a chroma this year... are you telling me I have to grind out ranked 3v3s again?

FrancisMuni10/12/2019, 9:44:28 AM1 votes

Any update on the VGU list? We already know that Fiddle and Voli are next, but I'd want to know which are most likely to come after.

Illutik10/11/2019, 4:18:38 PM1 votes

Are players with gold+ on TFT eligible for the victorious skin?

RekSai CoffeeCo10/12/2019, 11:37:05 AM1 votes

Still waiting on non ARURF gamemodes. Nexus Blitz needs to be permanent mode if TFT can become a perm mode without an alpha or beta with ranked out the gate. You are a billion dollar company you can run more than 3 modes at a time with a RGM or 5 at a time as well, if not try hiring more people.

Quinterro10/11/2019, 4:09:28 PM1 votes

Hi Meddler, Can you say anything about preseason as you stated in Quick Gameplay Thoughts: September 20? I mean point 1. "Around October 10th we'll start by talking through our goals for the preseason". I haven't seen anything anywhere yet.