Quick Gameplay Thoughts: July 21

RiotMeddler·7/21/2017, 4:04:53 PM·1 votes·56,718 views

Hi all,


Usual Disclaimers

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More Runes Discussion

Most of you will probably have seen this already, in case you missed it though some intial discussion on the IP/economy side of things with the runes transition was posted yesterday though. Lot more details to come, particularly around what happens with runes themselves, post from Cactopus that's well worth checking out if you haven't read it here though:

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/RlNQkO39-buying-runes-between-now-and-preseason

Also worth calling out was a post from Ghostcrawler in the replies, in particular since he discusses how we've been looking at runes in terms of their impact on Riot as a business a little bit.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/RlNQkO39-buying-runes-between-now-and-preseason?comment=0043


7.16 Balance Approach

We've just started work on looking at patch 7.16 balance work. Since 7.15's a pretty large patch more of the next patch cycle than usual will start out with a lot of analytical work, assessing what we need to respond to, rather than working on already defined issues. Things we'll be investigating include:

  • Champs that may be too dominant or got changes recently for being too dominant and need to be watched closely now - Jayce, Thresh, Galio, Elise, Kalista, Caitlyn
  • Position assessments - Is Cinderhulk overtuned and thereby impacting jungling too much, what should we do about some mid laners (Ori, Synda etc) who overly present/reliable choices, are many ranged champs who should be good supports struggling too much at present.
  • Duskblade - Do the 7.15 changes go far enough, how does its power compare for different types of users

More thoughts to follow after some investigation.


7.16 likely changes

In addition to that research there are also a few changes we'll be testing shortly including:

  • Malphite - Taking another crack at him, this time looking in part to get a bit more skill expression onto his kit (think things like the recent Garen W changes, at least in terms of goal). Probably power neutral ish, maybe slight buff?
  • Maokai - Likely nerfing, probably Q damage and/or CD. Will be dependent on that Cinderhulk analysis above though to ship or not ship (how much of it is Maokai being out of line, how much that particular item?)

Spectator clean up

Mentioned this a while ago, looks like it should be in 7.16. We'll be removing a few dozen team indicators from spectator view only, targeting things that just add unneeded clutter to the spectator experience. Rationale there is that LoL's already a really busy game visually, and anything unnecessary that's shown makes it harder to follow the necessary things. Changes will be hitting PBE soon, feedback much appreciated there, or on live after the patch goes out, if you notice anything that feels wrong (no longer seeing something really important, still seeing things of low value) . Changes include things like hiding the rings around Akali W or Kindred R because they're well defined already by existing spell effects. We're doing so now specifically because the next few patches will get a lot of use out of spectator in the competitive scene. These should also be improvements that are good for spectator in general in whatever context it's used of course.

318 Comments

ShadowParker7/21/2017, 4:22:37 PM14 votes

Any chance Ziggs could get an indicator on his satchel charge akin to blast cone?

Spideraxe7/21/2017, 4:08:55 PM12 votes

Hey Meddler can i ask for your thoughts on several things. First off is Stoneplate/Locket combo since I've seen that been a sore point since the midseason, then on Viktor and lastly will you personally design another champion again. These are all a bit random

Malicious Metal7/21/2017, 4:11:37 PM9 votes

Oh, what's the current stance on Galio?

Rathar Dashing7/21/2017, 4:16:26 PM7 votes

Do you have any plans for Tristana?

Julius Zeppeli7/21/2017, 4:22:05 PM7 votes

Since you guys are looking at Orianna/Syndra, do you have anything in store for Lost Chapter/Morellonomicon? The item has dominated mid lane for quite some time and really clamps out a lot of build diversity simply because the stats are too good to pass up.

ProvidenceNox7/21/2017, 6:39:51 PM6 votes

Are there any plans to try and support Varus midlane? It used to be a semi-popular pick and was a great off-role for Varus. Despite the fact that Riot said they planned to support both midlane and ADC Varus, when Riot buffed him they buffed his passive, which only helped ADC Varus, then when they nerfed him because lethality was too strong, they nerfed Varus's arrow, which hurt midlane Varus more and ADC Varus. Midlane Varus is now dead because Riot messed up balancing Varus and only ended up only shifting too much power from his Q to his passive. Is there any way Varus midlane could get some attention?

Whulfmon7/21/2017, 6:32:07 PM5 votes

Hey Meddler are you guys gonna do anything for Draven right now he is pretty much banned in 80% of the games i play and his winrate is sitting at 53% he can abuse anybuild he goes for and does what i honestly consider to much damage with just one item.

Càne7/21/2017, 4:11:56 PM5 votes

What do you think about Fiora after her nerfs?

Ostorrix7/21/2017, 9:19:18 PM5 votes

While you're looking at very consistent/meta Mid picks I'm still wondering what you're doing with the others... Some days ago there was finally some information revealed about Azir to bring up some clarity. But what is happening to Ryze for example? Are we expecting a minor rework for his kit or just some adjustments regarding the numbers? I would be very thankful gor an answer.

Impish Yordle7/21/2017, 4:31:08 PM4 votes

Any thoughts about JannaJanna being potentially too good of a soloQ pick right now? She has the highest winrate and the second-highest pick-rate of all supports. She also happens to be a popular pick for autofilled people due to her simple yet effective kit. Do you think she's too much of a low risk high reward pick at the moment? A lot of the recent support item changes may have pushed her over the edge and I hear a lot of talk about coin-line being very strong right now; potentially a bit too strong.

Leyin7/21/2017, 4:09:28 PM4 votes

Can we summ up that just smaller things will happen until Worlds and can you give some details about work and changes after the worlds?(specially pre-season[not runes])

Urfgot7/21/2017, 5:56:18 PM3 votes

Regarding Spectator Clean Up, I have noticed while watching LCS that Sejuani's E range indicator displays when activated, causing a lot of visual noise. Any plans to fix this?

iVesha7/21/2017, 4:27:58 PM3 votes

Anything about Evelynn ? Or you will write about she in next Quick Gameplay Thoughts ?

Scopé7/21/2017, 5:05:37 PM2 votes

Hey Meddler, are the changes to Kindred that got reverted on the PBE coming back in the next cycle? It would be great to know what was your goal with that buff and why you had to revert it.

smug jinx main7/21/2017, 4:42:07 PM1 votes

Hey Meddler, because I can't find an answer to this, how many Keystone runes are you trying to make and do you think you finally found a good spot for duskblade?

Also, have you been keeping an eye on Pantheon recently? because I think the lethality changes probably helped his already high win rate.

wet bean7/23/2017, 7:07:32 PM1 votes

What do you think of doing in order to nerf Kalista? I do understand that her power in competitive is very prioritized, considering power objectives. However, I remember from a post in Ask Riot, that you guys found her weak, and that Riot doesn't like where she is at the moment. Do you still stand with that statement? Or do you think Kalista is too strong for both normal and competitive play?