Quick Gameplay Thoughts: June 20

RiotMeddler·6/20/2018, 3:56:12 PM·1 votes·74,315 views

Hi folks,

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AD Item Micropatch

Earlier this week we put out a micro patch that buffed Stormrazor (AD and MS), IE (gold cost) and ER (more AS, though shorter duration). Goal there was to buff marksmen who use those items somewhat, with our goal still being to get marksmen back into a better spot without pushing other classes out of bot lane. We decided to go with a micro patch partway through 8.12 both because it helps address a clear need and because it gives us a chance to assess the impact of these item buffs while we're considering which champion buffs to put into 8.13. If the items add more or less power to individual champs than predicted means we can react to that for the upcoming patch, rather than needing to wait another two weeks.

In terms of the impact of the micro patch we've only seen a bit of play with the buffed items at time of writing. Looks like Xayah and Tristana have benefited noticeably, though not enormously. Other ADCs haven't changed much, some movement in how much they win but just within normal fluctuations.

Gold/XP funneling

After spending time assessing funneling strats last week we've come to the conclusion that, at least for now, the correct approach to dealing with them is to address a small subset of champions, rather than trying to make wider systemic changes. The systemic options we looked at all came with significant costs to other types of play we didn't want to affect (lane minion XP penalties with jungle items, return of over leveled jungle XP, limit of one support item per team etc). Looking at funneling play most of it's heavily concentrated on just a few champs who are also on the strong side and nerf candidates anyway.

Champ changes/rationale:

  • Master Yi - Removing bonus damage to minions so that he can't clear waves almost instantly. Reducing Q mana cost as well to reduce degree that hits lane/split push Yi.
  • Taric - Lowering E base damage and increasing Armor ratio so his effectiveness isn't as gold independent. Also increasing ult CD which is just a bit short for its power.
  • Nunu - Nerfing W AP bonus. He's got a VGU coming up moderately soon and AP boosting isn't on the revised kit. Hitting it as a result given Karthus/Nunu is the other big problem case apart from Taric/Yi.

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293 Comments

Shaian6/20/2018, 4:06:17 PM21 votes

Can you finally give Zyra changes to her passive and plants. AoE, melee attacks (especially melees who build attackspeed actually have no downside from attacking plants), tiamat (yea i spawn a plant on top of myself, enemy uses auto on me + tiamat and kills it rly cool interaction) are still way way WAY too efficient against her. Yasuo and Irelia oneshotting plants while using them as dashes is so unfair. One wave of gps ult insta kills any ULTED PLANT. INSTAKILLS IT. ONE WAVE OF HOW MANY? Its so boring to play. I dont care how much power you take from her passive or what else you can nerf. Just make it not suck to play. Im not talking about power. Im talking about gameplay. And that part really really sucks and its not addressed after 7 months and im really really upset, it decreases my enjoyment and deteriorates my experience of playing league so much. Can this get addressed please im so depressed.

Ah yes and new Taliyah Q. Rly fun when she kills 2 plants and throws 3 rocks on me with a single Q. Really nice interaction. Corki and MF oneshotting plants with a single auto as ranged rly cool too. Karthus oneshotting plants with his Crit Q rly cool too. So much interaction i love it yes. (Help me please no way Zyras plants would be released like that if she was a new champion. Nerf anything needed to revert her plant HP.)

Catsexualreturns6/20/2018, 4:01:32 PM7 votes

Can we have a serious conversation about Nidalee and her laning + jungle it feels like she gets ignored as much as possible. Not even asking for buffs literally kit changes or qol to make her healthier.

420 grams6/20/2018, 4:00:50 PM5 votes

Why is gold funneling suddenly an issue now? It's been the best strat on Twisted Treeline for a very long time, but suddenly it's not ok when it's on summoners rift for one patch.

Tyberius116/20/2018, 6:19:20 PM5 votes

Buff Syndra please. Thank you

waiting for WoW6/20/2018, 4:24:01 PM5 votes

Thoughts on Sorcery at the moment including it's lack of options or niche champions like DoT mages? Any further plans to follow up on Phase Rush(the 10% extra movespeed early helps but it's still really unsatisfying to use compared to SRS). Thoughts on a 4th keystone in Sorcery?

Queš6/20/2018, 4:06:30 PM4 votes

Thoughts on Sion ?He feels weak

Sir Rouge6/20/2018, 6:17:25 PM4 votes

Karma Stats from yesterday:

Role: WR/PR Champion.gg (plat+): ----- Mid: 45.25%/0.52% ----- Support: 46.79%/2.59% Lolalytics (plat+): ----- Mid: 46.07%/1.02% ----- Support: 45.92%/4.15 Lolalytics (dia+, last 7 days): ----- Mid: 45.80%/1.47% ----- Support: 46.55%/4.62% Op.gg (plat+): ----- Mid: 43.06%/0.96% ----- Support: 44.61%/3.50%

She needs a power bump now! She is the worst midlaner and the second worst support at the moment. As a low mechanical complexity enhancer, those stats are terribly low. Why is she being ignored?

InTheory6/20/2018, 3:58:50 PM4 votes

How did the enchanter changes settle down? Are AP heavy builds more common/ more successfull now? How did shield enchanters perform compared to heal enchanters?

Kaìju6/20/2018, 7:46:29 PM3 votes

Do you guys have any plans or data on Ashe and Sivir at all? Ashe changes were mentioned some time ago then stopped but you have not mentioned Sivir at all.

Dstructo Disc6/20/2018, 4:10:29 PM3 votes

Thoughts on Hecarim could use some something after the item 3053 change.

Remurin6/20/2018, 4:16:12 PM3 votes

Now that you mentioned that revised Nunu won't have AP boosting in the new kit, could it be a possibility that Lulu can get it back on her W? A long time ago she used to have it and I think it could make a good return with AP mages being played bot now. I'd even find it ok if she can't self-boost own AP.

Could perhaps improve Lulu's current not as good state and enforce her position as an enchanter more, improving synergy with more champions than just merely ADCs.

Coyote6/20/2018, 4:17:30 PM3 votes

Hey Meddler!

My apologies, this is a bit out there, but do you think Nidalee will be getting any love soon, in terms of laning/jungle? It seems everyone has cc nowadays to the point assassins like nidalee are destroyed every which way they turn :(

Thanks in advance!

Spideraxe6/20/2018, 3:59:36 PM2 votes

Hey Meddler I have a Lissandra related question, not asking about when we'll get her new passive but curious as to why you're working on her personally since you seem busy with midseason as lead gameplay designer, who not pass it on to another designer

Erenex6/20/2018, 4:07:11 PM2 votes

Any plans for Zoe? Zoe <3

I hope not a DMG nerf because she was allready overnerfed and she cant even run away from assasins because Assasins and Assasins items are so strong... Also MR and Tanks are a threat Zoe Zoe Zoe Zoe Zoe Zoe

Fofi6/20/2018, 4:02:06 PM2 votes

Hi meddler!

First time I've been here this early. I was wondering thoughts on Udyr? He's in a really good spot with his ability to take scuttle easily and great early game dueling power. Tiger outshines Phoenix by far currently. I know he was planned to eventually get reworked, but is it anytime soon since he does have an outdated kit?

SonicÐeHedgedawg6/20/2018, 4:22:13 PM2 votes

Hey Meddler, hope your day is going well.

Do you feel like Sejuani's buff landed her in a good place or that she's going to need more buffs?

I think when she got nerfed for pro play it hurt her a lot for non-pro, and the shortened game time has crippled her ability to be a late-game scaling tank

Flutterrs6/20/2018, 4:05:21 PM2 votes

With regards to gold funneling, would you reconsider systemic changes if other combinations rose in popularity in response to the nerfs of Karthus/Nunu and Yi/Taric? For instance, some friends and I had some success replicating the strategy by having Ornn mid and funneling gold into Udyr in the jungle. Would the appearance of other gold-funneling champ team compositions necessarily lead to systemic changes, or is it possible that certain gold funneling strats could end up being overall beneficial for League in the future(i.e. a potential hit to game health in exchange for strategic depth)?

[edit to clarify: I don't mind the nerfs to gold funneling you outlined in your original, we only tried the strat because we were playing as a five-stack and were curious about what other pairs could work.]

Punish betrayers6/20/2018, 4:29:26 PM2 votes

Hello Meddler!

There was a change on Kalista on the PBE of yesterday, but S@20 dont manage to see what is the change, can you explain what is it please?

Galiö6/20/2018, 4:21:50 PM1 votes

I dont think essence reaver was a (weak) problem item. In fact I think it was very strong on a few champions. I think something like Runnans need help and something like Rageblade need nerfs.

Rmlthl6/20/2018, 4:00:54 PM1 votes

Meddler, last night some of the changes to ADCs were pulled from the PBE. Are they still going to happen or you will wait and see where the micropatch is going to put the crit ADCs.

I've read different statements around the internet so I feel like asking you - is the new Aatrox still coming next week or he will remain on the PBE for another patch?

edit for a third question: What is your opinion on Summon Aery? It feels like a win more rune for every champion that uses it.