Quick Gameplay Thoughts: August 11

RiotMeddler·8/11/2017, 6:18:00 PM·1 votes·54,946 views

Hi folks,

Apologies for the late post, busier than expected morning.


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Vayne after 7.17

Almost guaranteed that we won't have Vayne changes in 7.17. We've seen some promising bits in initial investigation (e.g. making Q unable to crit and shifting power elsewhere so she's less bursty, in particular against squishy targets). Won't have enough time in the current patch development cycle, but definitely want to revisit Vayne shortly.

Also worth noting Vayne wise that yeah, a fair number of players don't like playing against Vayne. Some of that's probably that, even if she's got average overall performance when she does do well she sometimes does extremely well, so her strong games are really in your face. We believe some of it's also part of a wider trend where, with the occasional exception, champions who are primarily or entirely single target damage focused tend to be perceived as much more frustrating than champions who aren't, regardless of their power level.


Ardent Censer, Janna, Taric

We'll be nerfing Ardent Censer in 7.17. Because of that we'll likely be leaving Janna and Taric untouched for a patch, see what impact that Censer nerf, especially following the recent Coin nerf, has on their performance. Will then reassess them both during 7.18. Still looking to get some more skill expression into Janna's kit as well at some point, though the team haven't felt the recently tested changes did a great job of that so will be trying some other stuff at some point.


7.18 Timing

Speaking of 7.18 there'll be a longer gap than usual between 7.17 and 7.18 of three weeks, rather than the usual two. That's because we need to fit one 3 week patch into the year somewhere to some patch release timing stuff around pre-season etc to work out. 7.17 made sense as a time to do that since it then gives us a bit more time when the game's pretty stable to work on Runes/other pre-season content and do a bit more assessment of final changes for the Worlds patch (7.18).


Stoneplate Tweaks

We've got a couple of adjustments for Stoneplate coming in the next patch. The first is a bug fix regarding its interaction with Cinderhulk, where the combination of the two was giving noticeably more health than it was meant to.

The second, which is still being tested, but likely to ship, is a change where the 100% extra health temporarily granted will be split between base and bonus health, rather than all be treated as bonus health. E.g. a champ with 1500 base health and 1000 bonus health would now get an extra 1500 base health and an extra 1000 bonus health, rather than 2500 bonus health. That impacts cases like Cho and Locket which scale off bonus health, so Stoneplate will likely still be a powerful combo with them but won't be giving as much power.

251 Comments

Spideraxe8/11/2017, 6:20:57 PM11 votes

Hey Meddler can I ask about Twitch, since you guys are planning on nerfing Draven and he seems to be the other sore point ADC

Machitaru8/11/2017, 6:37:01 PM10 votes

Hey Meddler, long time lurker of these quick gameplay thoughts. I was wondering if I could get your thoughts on jungle Ekko.

Has there been any consideration of allowing him to jungle again? Ever since his changes pushing him more to assassin than tank his base damages have been too low to be able to compete with other junglers. I personally didn't ever like tank Ekko and always played him jungle with a mix of damage and durability or straight assassin. Do you think assassin jungle Ekko is healthy for the game and if we could see some monster damage added to his passive or Q in the future?

Thanks for your time

Malicious Metal8/11/2017, 6:35:13 PM10 votes

In regards to preseason and new starting items. Are we going to get an item for manaless Ap casters?

GAARĂ8/11/2017, 6:27:55 PM8 votes

Hello Meddler , Any plans regarding Lissandra and her passive ?

SirPurrr8/12/2017, 7:23:08 AM5 votes

I have a concern with the new runes. I require 20% CDR/lvl from runes for my builds because I want to build Sorcs and not Ionian. It seems like now it's max 10% and I'd be pigeonholed into Ionian.

Mordepool8/11/2017, 6:29:02 PM5 votes

Have you considered having Janna's tornado curve based on Janna's relatively close position at the tornadoes released

Where tornado ends up @(J2) ...@ (J1)
.. '. .... .' .... '... .' ...... ©
(J1) (J2) Jannas position

tornado start position" ©"still directional based and doesn't change but if Janna. Stays close to her tornado she can have the tornado curve?

Hard to diagram, periods are used to get the right spacing

Hope this is helpful

Pyrofiend8/11/2017, 6:32:27 PM5 votes

Nice. Thoughts on Poppy's current state?

Iasleep8/11/2017, 7:13:37 PM4 votes

any plans for Ezreal? he feels like he is in a lose lose situation at the moment due to his slow scaling.

OceanicEyes8/11/2017, 6:20:46 PM4 votes

Hey Meddler, thanks as always for the updates.

What are your thoughts on how Mundo is doing with his recent magic resist buff on E? Are you happy with the change?

And out of curiosity, if the Stoneplate change ended up not being enough, is making the health gained 100% base health something that you're considering?

ImaginesTigers8/11/2017, 6:23:10 PM4 votes

Are you guys happier with where Syndra and Orianna are now, or waiting until 7.16 hits pro play to evaluate that?

On the same curve: any plans if their solo queue performance is hit too much after the repeated nerfs?

Càne8/11/2017, 6:22:00 PM4 votes

Any plans on changing nidalee's heal? I really don't like that she's building support items after runic echoes eventhough she is suppose to be an assassin.

Solari Fortune8/11/2017, 6:24:36 PM3 votes

What does Riot think about ADCs starting Doran's Ring? Are you guys ok with that since they do have the trade off of not having the AD and life steal from Doran's Blade in favor of the Mana Sustain of Ring?

ShadowParker8/11/2017, 6:24:35 PM3 votes

What items/champions are affected by going with this paradigm for stoneplate?