Quick Gameplay Thoughts: September 12

RiotMeddler·9/12/2017, 3:36:21 PM·1 votes·47,612 views

Hi folks,


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Frost Queen's line in 7.18

We've got some late changes for the Frost Queen's line right at the end of the 7.18 cycle I though it would be good to give some more context on. We want to put a bit of power into the FQ's line of items, given they're underperforming relative to Coin/Targon's even on aggressive champs who should be much more drawn to FQs. We also want to offer non direct damage power where possible, both to reduce creep on number of high threat damage dealers on a team and to allow differences in how champs play in different positions (mid versus support for a number of mages). That meant adding AP or additional proc damage was something we wanted to try and avoid. CDR's is somewhat better approach as a result, focusing champs more on frequent casts (more sustained damage, more utility uptime). There are some cases where that contributes to CDR glut on some champs, most of the core FQ's users however are often buying non CDR items regardless however (e.g. Rylai's and/or Liandries).

We added CDR to T1, T2 and T3 of the Frost Queen's line as a result. We then started running seeing some mid laners swapping to it. Flexibility of item use across positions isn't in and of itself a problem, in this case it looked like it was at risk of making some champs (e.g. Cass) potentially too dominant. We made some late changes to FQ's as a result, uping the CD on minion kills by a couple of seconds and changing it so it gets extra CDR at T2 (now 10%), but doesn't increase further at T3. Intent there is that it's a better choice for supports building it and then going for other items, without pushing it to T3, without being too warping if picked up by others. Making it a support item that you're happier leaving at T2 also then gives a bit of extra distinction versus Targon's/Coin potentially too.


Brand

We mentioned we'd take another look at something small to help solo lane Brand out a bit sometime post Worlds patch. Still planning to do that, potentially in this next cycle. Something small's likely to mean something like a small bonus (e.g. mana restored) when CSing with particular spells to give us a lever to put power into non support Brand specifically when needed. Give him some better harass and wave clear if he's CSing well basically. Not expecting that'll solve everything Brand needs, but would like to get something quick for him before pre-season if possible.


Thinking about another prototypes blog

Last year we put up a blog that showed prototype versions of various champions:

http://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/2016/10/dev-on-champion-prototypes/

I was thinking it would be good to do another one of those, look at some of the champions that have come and since and maybe a couple of older ones we didn't get to cover last time. Would be interested in people's thoughts on which champs you'd be particularly interested in seeing. One disclaimer though - it'll likely only be covering champs released from around Gnar onwards (getting access to prototype files older than that's a more difficult process alas, easy to get old patch versions, harder to get old WIP stuff).

In terms of timing on that dev blog it'd likely be a late this year or early next year thing once pre-season work's settled down. Takes a while to get everything in order though, hence the inquiry now.

256 Comments

warpenguin5559/12/2017, 4:08:15 PM11 votes

Idk if you're the right person to ask this, but what happened to the Ghostcrawler AMA's and the new champion/vgu podcasts? I really liked those

Vekkna9/12/2017, 5:01:54 PM10 votes

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We added CDR to T1, T2 and T3 of the Frost Queen's line as a result. We then started running seeing some mid laners swapping to it. Flexibility of item use across positions isn't in and of itself a problem, in this case it looked like it was at risk of making some champs (e.g. Cass) potentially too dominant. We made some late changes to FQ's as a result, uping the CD on minion kills by a couple of seconds and changing it so it gets extra CDR at T2 (now 10%), but doesn't increase further at T3. Intent there is that it's a better choice for supports building it and then going for other items, without pushing it to T3, without being too warping if picked up by others. Making it a support item that you're happier leaving at T2 also then gives a bit of extra distinction versus Targon's/Coin potentially too.

Wait...so FQC and EotW do not have 20% CDR now? So with FQC you have 20% CDR in the build path and then lose 10% CDR when finishing the final item?

If you're worried about midlaners abusing FQC, why not do the obvious thing:

  1. Keep minion-kill penalty on tier 3 item

  2. Keep FQC at 10% CDR and let EotW have the buff to 20% CDR

You guys were really close to fixing a frustrating problem with Frost-line supports, and it's super disappointing to see you back away from a positive change because of hypothetical problems with mid lane. I was seriously looking forward to this change, because it's extremely difficult to itemize for CDR when 0 of your core damage items have CDR.

item 3151 item 3116 item 3285 item 3020 item 3135

The problem here is a full build with 10% CDR, which is an extension of the problem of extremely narrow spell pen itemization. This problem wouldn't exist if we had AP versions of the lethality options. Either way, 10% on a component doesn't actually help because it fails to address the problem of builds capped at 10% CDR.

Brand

We mentioned we'd take another look at something small to help solo lane Brand out a bit sometime post Worlds patch. Still planning to do that, potentially in this next cycle. Something small's likely to mean something like a small bonus (e.g. mana restored) when CSing with particular spells to give us a lever to put power into non support Brand specifically when needed. Give him some better harass and wave clear if he's CSing well basically. Not expecting that'll solve everything Brand needs, but would like to get something quick for him before pre-season if possible.

And Zyra? You helped Malz back to mid. You're helping Brand back to mid. Any plan to make good on any of the year-old promises to help Zyra back to mid? She's hot garbage in the Ardent meta, so now's a good time to help her without breaking her in bot lane.

Queš9/12/2017, 3:53:15 PM8 votes

Meddler some thoughts on Urgot .

Is he ok now or still needs buffs ?

iVesha9/12/2017, 3:52:16 PM6 votes

We was get the part of Urgot new splash art , before he hitted PBE . Can we now get part of the Evelynn new splash art , eg her hair , or something ? Evelynn Evelynn Evelynn Evelynn Evelynn Evelynn Evelynn

Void Nargacuga9/12/2017, 4:02:29 PM6 votes

What are your thoughts on item 3252 ? Was it much of a success or more of a flop?

Leyin9/12/2017, 3:41:07 PM5 votes

thanks for doing a new prototype blog ^-^

pzTeeks9/12/2017, 3:56:42 PM4 votes

Hello and thank you for your regular updates Meddler.

I read in the last week or two that you had Caitlyn changes planned for the 7.19 cycle though there were no details at the time. Any updates?

Thank you.

Necroside9/12/2017, 5:17:48 PM3 votes

Veigar changes weren't in the 3 Week PBE cycle... will it be in this one? Veigar

patmax179/12/2017, 3:40:40 PM3 votes

Do you use prototype champs when you are developing a VGU (e.g. Galio)?

WrongNeeko9/12/2017, 3:49:17 PM3 votes

Evelynn Patch 7.19 or 7.20? pls say 7.19

Càne9/12/2017, 3:38:36 PM3 votes

Are you going to nerf Maokai and Sejuani or will you wait to see what impac the new runes will have on them?

DeathBurst9/12/2017, 3:44:50 PM2 votes

Hum, usually your posts are on Monday, with a Rune Corner on Tuesday. No Rune Corner this week?

Wráthful9/12/2017, 3:41:53 PM2 votes

are we going to have worlds pick'em this year????

MetaKaizer9/12/2017, 3:47:23 PM2 votes

Are the icon updates for Amumu,Mundo,Nunu,etc. still going to be a thing?