Quick Gameplay Thoughts: December 14

RiotMeddler·12/14/2018, 4:30:20 PM·1 votes·168,223 views

Hi folks,

Usual Disclaimers

These posts will often contain talk about future work we're doing, or planning to do, that isn't yet guaranteed to ship. The nature of the work could change or, depending on what we discover, projects mentioned may get delayed or even stopped. If you'd like to see a Tweet whenever a new one of these posts goes up: https://twitter.com/RiotMeddler


Taunt Lines

Something we've been trying for a while is having some champion taunt VO play automatically when champions first see specific other champions. We think that's been pretty successful, with taunt lines set up that way getting played more than champ specific lines that require the player to use the taunt emote near the correct enemy. We're looking at shifting a lot of those older lines to automatic triggers early next year as a result. Current plan is some will still remain as manual triggers where the line's out of context, immersion breaking etc, but most would get moved over.

Feedback, both on the concept and once changes hit PBE much appreciated. Champions likely to benefit in particular are those who are fairly new, so have a lot of taunt lines recorded, including Aurelion Sol, Azir, Ekko, Evelynn, Galio, Illaoi, Irelia, Jhin, Maokai, Sion, Swain, Tahm Kench, Taliyah, Urgot and Xayah. We might also have every champ use a general taunt line the first time they see an enemy champion nearby, still debating that.


State of Neeko

Neeko's been out for a bit now and, win rate wise at least, started off looking very strong for a just released champ. She hasn't ended up being extremely dominant however. Much of her kit's pretty easy to pick up if you've played a lot of mages before, with familiar skill tests and play pattern. The main difference from other champs as you'd expect is her deception play, the passive especially. So far it looks like the playing against Neeko learning curve might be scaling at around the same rate as the playing as Neeko learning curve for once, which is quite unusual.

Balance wise, we are planning on cutting a bit of base damage off Neeko's Q in 8.24b. No other plans beyond that at present, though we're still keeping an eye on the R ratio in particular.


Last post of the year

Thanks for reading folks! Since 8.24b's going out and we're nearly at the holiday season this is going to be the last of these posts for the year. We're still in the office for a while of course, but will be focusing on some longer term work for a bit before the break. Hope the remainder of 2018 treats you well, I'm really looking forward to all the stuff we've got planned for 2019 and getting to talk about it with you all. Should be back to the normal posts twice a week routine in early January.

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263 Comments

Frosted Tips12/14/2018, 5:26:48 PM17 votes

Shyvana has one of the worst passives in the game. Up there with MonkeyKing. Anyone looking into either of them?

D4M2X012/14/2018, 6:17:06 PM12 votes

armor items are useless and bruiser itemization + conqueror are overpowered.

Spideraxe12/14/2018, 4:34:00 PM8 votes

Hey Meddler Mort mentioned on Reddit that you guys are planning on spinning up some balance changes for ARAM in 2019, would you be able to share any details on that. Also cheers for a year's worth of communication, really appreciate these posts. Do you have any holidays plans yourself

ARE YOU PC BRO12/14/2018, 5:52:42 PM8 votes

Karma stares in Ionian

MudintheWater12/14/2018, 5:57:42 PM8 votes

Are you guys going to let Jax maintain a high pick rate and winrate in multiple lanes like it's not problematic?

Râyane12/14/2018, 5:53:42 PM7 votes

Up udyr plz

Salvor Hardın12/14/2018, 4:39:15 PM7 votes

Do you guys have anything planned for Rek´Sai? I think it needs changes to make it easier to use for new players, especially the sonar.

XeRan0th12/14/2018, 7:03:43 PM6 votes

Any plans for a new yordle champ?

beany12/14/2018, 5:21:41 PM6 votes

Any thoughts on the difficulty balancing Viktor for different skill orders and item builds in the last couple months? He keeps being pushed towards scaling which seems a detriment considering the faster pace of games.

I recall at some point you said viktor could use some ability redesign.

Wukong Airlines12/14/2018, 7:47:34 PM5 votes

@Meddler, so Xin Zhao mini-rework was successful, Ezreal mini-rework was a success too.

Can we invest in Wukong now? He seriously needs: -Model update -Ability icons update -Completely new passive -Change to his damage to be less bursty -Give him some %HP damage or any other scaling so he doesn't rely on lethality

At some point you'll have to work on him, he's one of the champions in the game and you can't keep ignoring him for more than 5 years, it's already more than 1700 days, we're nearing 5 years of 0 change to Wukong.

JoeAnarchy12/15/2018, 2:39:26 PM5 votes

please shave some damage off of Neeko's R

Point Match12/15/2018, 3:33:53 PM5 votes

Hi, Meddler. What about Aatrox nerf? Just bring the hammer already... his Q is way too powerful.

Neeko: The core problem with Neeko is her ultimate. It actually has no cooldown when we compare her ultimate to Fiddle, Amumu, Zyra. Neeko base damage has twice damage as them (with no cooldown) and better ap ratio. Her W has no cost too, Why is that? Did you forget how you nerfed Kog W because it was without mana cost too?

here are the stats /without cdr items: Zyra cooldown: 130 / 120 / 110 - Damage: 180 / 265 / 350 (+ 70% AP) Fiddle cooldown: 140 / 110 / 80 - Damage (per sec): 125 / 225 / 325 (+ 45% AP) Amumu cooldown: 150 / 130 / 110 - Damage: 150 / 250 / 350 (+ 80% AP) **Neeko **cooldown: 90 all ranks (90/90/90) - Damage: 250 / **425 **/ **650 **(+ 130% AP)

Of course, it makes no sense to mages to not buy cdr at all so let check it! By lv16 with full cdr (40) - Neeko still has the best cooldown (12s) expect Fiddlesticks (6s) and yet, what a massive difference of damage without the ap ratio.

Zyra cooldown: 66s Fiddle cooldown: 48s Amumu cooldown: 66s **Neeko **cooldown: 54s

By the way, Kennen lv16 with max cdr (40) = 72s ultimate. Please do not forget Neeko gain a shield too unlike the rest.

ModKnightsKemplar12/14/2018, 7:20:25 PM5 votes

Thanks for the communication that you've brought to the community in these posts this year, Meddler. I know it's a commitment to do these and to maintain a schedule for them. I have really appreciated my Wednesday and Friday afternoon mini-breaks from work to read your updates.

Happy holidays to you and the rest of the Riot team, and I'm looking forward to an eventful season 9! Cheers!

9NINE12/16/2018, 6:47:07 PM4 votes

and still no word of removing akali's true invis? why? What argument does half of you make for it to remain?

PandaNator4312/14/2018, 4:43:16 PM4 votes

Is Agency the same as Power?

Seen this debate pop up a few times recently, would love to hear your take.

Xzeta12/14/2018, 4:44:45 PM3 votes

Any thoughts on nexus blitz ranked

Support 4 Lyfe12/14/2018, 5:25:45 PM3 votes

Hey Meddler, personal question, do you prefer utility/enchanter supports (Soraka, Sona, Janna, Nami), aggressive supports (Zyra, Brand, Vel'Koz) or engagers/all-in supports (Alistar, Leona, Nautilus, Blitz, Braum)?

Have a great evening by the way <3

XxxLumberJackxxX12/14/2018, 4:42:44 PM3 votes

@meddler Will Rammus' taunt be automatically triggered?

Snowbrand12/14/2018, 4:40:41 PM2 votes

Why isn't there any information about the range of Lissandras passive in the description of it or when you hover over it like Vayne for example? Intended or unintended? If intended then why?

Neekð12/14/2018, 5:03:35 PM2 votes

Any updates on Akali so far? Are you still planning to go with the 3 W nerfs that were posted on twitter?

Kata Ga Kill12/14/2018, 4:52:20 PM2 votes

Pls Nerf Vladimir Vladimir and Udyr Udyr , both have almost no weakness or can't be outplayed.

Its hard to play against them.

Vladimir is on Lane a hard Bully, no Mana and HP problems and becomes really strong with alot of Tankyness too. Further then he cant be ganked and item 3165 isnt helping much against heal too, and dont helps on your mana problems early. Hes really unfair in every state of game and time.

And Udyr faster then anything, he can literally overun every flasher and escape dirty from every bait. Also hes shielding every second and stunning makes him the Endboss, even Tryndamere is nothing to him.

Ouer only luck is, that they arent played so much, but if theyre picked good Players can always win with them.

Nandonut12/14/2018, 5:53:51 PM1 votes

Not exactly on topic, but can something be done about automatic voice lines in response to taunt/joke? I'm all for the idea of bringing out more unique voicelines, particularly specific champion interaction ones which I feel like 90% of I've never heard in-game, but the ones that automatically trigger whenever, and every time, someone taunts or jokes become really obnoxious. I'm talking about 'Haha, I just got the joke' and 'Everyone has something clever to say...until the blades find their throat'.

It's cool every so often, but when it plays literally every time a nearby ally jokes/taunts, it becomes annoying and abusable pretty quickly... and if you're playing the champion in question, there's nothing you can do about it because it's controlled by an ally (I've found this happen most often in ARAM). I feel like i already have trauma from hearing those lines so ridiculously often. Excited about the stuff in this post though.