Quick Gameplay Thoughts: July 6

Wow! That is an inspired passive and fits the Ice Witch theme perfectly. Kudos!

The Lissandra passive is impressive. Holy this would make her so unique, she would be the teamfighting queen. And it fits so perfectly omg. This needs to happen and I wanna try it ASAP. :)

You‘ve mentioned a few changes to W end E. Can we get some details? Do you think it‘s possible to move some dmg from her E to her W?

Good Job! Honestly reading this made me happy.

Hey Meddler,

This new passive sounds great on paper imho, this is the first time it's actually thematically on point, and interesting. I think this is the right direction to take. Thanks for the update on it, and hopefully we'll know for sure soon.

How's Irelia looking now that the results from her nerf are clear? What about with thr upcoming teleport nerf? That might hit her extremely hard, owing to her being very much not a dominant laner.

AHhhhhh I'm finally on time! Many true tanks like Zac, Sej, Naut, etc seem to be weak in solo queue (imo). Does that match what you see and if it does do you have any plans to buff them?

Hey Meddler, are you guys planning on doing some Vi buffs?

I feel awful asking again, because I know you're inundated by these requests every time you post, but did you land anywhere in particular on Syndra?

Additionally: the TP nerfs hit PBE yesterday. Those are big nerfs. Do you have some context? :)

And last but not least: do you think, if these Lissandra changes (which I like) are to ship, she'll have her mana costs tweaked a little?

Hello Meddler. Thank you for the communication with the community.

Top is currently sitting at a 46.6% winrate and a 0.3% pickrate at Platinum and higher according to lolalytics. In past seasons, Nautilus Top has been a low-damage, high-CC tank top laner to accompany teams with much damage, but low crowd control.

Are there any current plans to give Naut top a power boost so he can come back to 1v1 laning, but without making him overbearing as a support, where he is not that bad of a pick?

Thanks!

That Lissandra passive is a lot better than I expected, can't wait to try it out xD.

Also, I've seen the Karma changes that Rickless is trying out and I'm concerned that they're missing the point again. Particularly the fact that he wants to increase the hitbox of Q and nerf RQs base damage without scaling compensation, and lower the cost of her shield.

Her shield is weak and unreliable, wouldn't it make more sense to buff the MS component of her shield? For example; extending the duration of the MS to match the shield (2.5s) with a decay.

Hey Meddler, Any plans on Talon nerfs? He's been pick ban lately. His winrate and playrate skyrocketed after the Q "hotfix". I suggest looking at one of these options:

• Remove half of the Q range buff that u gave him (I AM sure most of the Talon mains had no problems playing him pre-hotfix. Ppl that asked for this "hotfix" were either bad at him or didn't know how to position themselves)
• Revert his MR buff from one of the earlier patches
• Do something about his W + Tiamat instant waveclear (Increase CD of W or mana cost)

Oh that Liss Passive seems really neat

Also would it be possible to allow Leona to be able to E onto at the most Epic Monsters perhaps? Large monsters be neat but I am not sure the impact it would cause. It would just be nice to have some kinda way to escape if you are being chased alone and don't have flash or a blast cone available

For lissandra passive, would an ornn E destroy it? And if it does would the shatter still happen

OMG!I LOVE THE IDEA! I think this passive fits lissandra and her gameplay perfectly!

Speaking on Lissandra... That passive sounds amazing... Her biggest issue is that when she dives she has still long cooldowns on her w and e so that passive would be perfect to make sure she isnt useless in that period of time. A minor reduction in mana cost would still be appreciate but the passive is definitely a cool idea!

What a totally dope passive.
Literally from most underwhelming passive to potentially horrifying ice garden of frozen corpse bombs.

Hope Ahri's passive gets upgraded to something as cool as this.

I don't even play Lissandra and I'm excited for that passive. It sounds incredibly cool (pardon the pun)

Hello Meddler, any plan to nerf Talon? He seem too strong atm.

Hey Meddler, love the idea on the new Liss passive! Her kit's great but it does sometimes feel a little simple when you've played a lot on her, so throwing something spicy like that into it would go a long way to make her more fun and distinguished imo.

On another note, any update on the timings of Karma's bandaid buffs on PBE and also her mini-rework? I know you mentioned that some more mages would be on today's update, so does that include her?

Love the work you've been doing lately, keep it up!

Hello, ever since rework her E - Equinox has been bugged. It is supposed to silence if you stand in it however if you put it under someone in statis they will be able to flash out of it or buffer some escape skill like -W or -E before silence is applied.

Same for freshly teleported targets

if Vlad teleports into soraka E he can W anyway

Equinox should be one of the most skill expressive spells of this bug makes it incredibly frustrating. Could you please try and fix it ?

This sounds like a super cool thematically relevant and interesting game play passive. If this does ship, which it may not we know that, but if it does. It'll be super fun.

are riot really going to continue to ignore fizz's illogical ultimate? Why is a completely 100% melee champion being punished for engaging within his fighting range, can 1 single person from riot actually try and explain to me how that makes any sense, i doubt i will ever get an answer.

I know a lot of people have praised the new Lissandra passive, but honestly this sounds so bad. I don't know, it sounds so gimmicky. It doesn't actually help her with anything meaningful. If you already killed someone, you already won most of the time. If you hit the 4 man ult in teamfights, you already did so much you win most of the time, and if not then you are usually so far behind or outnumbered that it doesn't matter anyway. It is useless in lane, one of her biggest weaknesses right now. It is useless in any 1vs1 scenario, and even with more people you would need to hit an ability that you can't aim and that has a 2.5 second delay. Not to mention that creating terrain that you might not want can easily be a downside.

Don't get me wrong, thematically this is nice, and her old passive was strong, but it was basically just a lot of mana regen. If her base costs are lowered this would be a non factor. But anyway. It just sounds so... weird. Maybe I was just hoping for something more skill and outplay based. Like getting rewarded for hitting many Qs in a row or something, or for hitting a specific window of opportunity, or not getting hit. This rewards you for doing something difficult, sure, but you don't really have much control over it. You can't really control how much use you get out of this by playing well.

It's almost like Cho passive (okay, not that bad, but still). You get more for doing something you already want to do. It doesn't actually change your play pattern. You can't go "Yeah I used my passive this way and got something for it!".
When you get a kill because of it, it's more like "Yeah, I didn't do anything different, and got this kill just because!" Unlike reset passives, you don't actually get to do something after getting the kill. You just watch as it happens and maybe works... or not. Not like you can do anything to help really. You may in very few situations be able to hold them in place with your W or R, but how often do you really kill someone with one of those still up and them standing next to someone. If people stand together you already want to use your W and R on them. You don't want to wait and hope one of them dies to then use your spells to hold them in place. It's not like waiting to kill your opponent or something like that is actually a good idea, no matter how good this passive is. You just have to hope your opponent dies in a good position.

I love the idea for her E though, that sounds like it would really help and be very fun to use.

How's the cursor update going?

Non-gameplay related, but think we might see some new button art for items soon? Always loved seeing those updates.

Hello Meddler! Any plans about Zyra? Where the plant changes that should have been? When will the changes be relative to her solo position? in particular midlane Zyra.

I love that the Liss passive is like an icy version of Brand's. It makes their antagonism that much spicier.

Pleeeeeassse make this a thing

Thoughts on Syndra and Karma?

Both are in a pretty weak spot, even for champions who have classically needed to be a little weak due to pro-play.

I know you said Karma will need more work down the road, but can we expect some numbers buffs in the meantime until she can get the love she needs?

Quick question about liss new passive: if an enemy ornn (or even ally) charges towards a frozen statue, does he destroy it or will he proc the shatter earlier and so taking damage (or pop damage on enemies if ally)?

Hey Meddler, any chance the Zac mains community could get any type of communication about our feelings on the rework? One of our Master players, Gankr, has made a substantial comment reflecting his and the community's thoughts on the rework and we would all like to hear if you have any plans for Zac for the future.

Thanks in advance if you do get around to answering any of our concerns.

When can we expect the cursor update to hit live? Pre-season?

Another question: Is the learning curve of a champion still important in today champion design?