So, question about the new "Wardens" that keep locking posts.

Niyumi·Jun 17, 2017·1 votes·431 views

I'd like to know what rule I'm actually breaking. Nowhere in the rules page does it say I have to be the most pleasant, cordial person in the world and stick my thumb up Riot's ass with every other sentence. I'm not harassing anyone, I'm not spamming or trolling, I'm not excessively vulgar, nothing like that. Yet, my posts keep being locked, and I'm told to look at the rules.

Seems to me like they just don't like what I'm saying, and so lock my threads to try and stop me from posting anything that isn't the popular opinion -- in which case I have to ask why you let kids on the internet be mods of any kind.

22 Comments

Deep Terror NamiJun 17, 20173 votes

If they are unclear with their messaging I recommend visiting us on the Moderation Discord to discuss it with them.

NiyumiJun 18, 20171 votes

Oh no, I know what they said. I just don't understand what rule I'm breaking, since there is no rule dictating the attitude of your post -- in which case I don't understand why they're allowed to lock my posts.

Deep Terror NamiJun 18, 20172 votes

I just don't understand what rule I'm breaking

That's what I'm saying to come talk to them about.

NiyumiJun 18, 20172 votes

I don't really want to go through all the effort of getting on Discord and talking to people who should be enforcing the rules printed on the forums that aren't vaguely written at all.

Plus, I don't really want to put my Discord name out there for everyone to see. Lot of people on these forums hate me, and I wouldn't put trolling past any of them.

GalaciusJun 18, 20173 votes

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I don't really want to go through all the effort of getting on Discord and talking to people who should be enforcing the rules printed on the forums that aren't vaguely written at all.

Plus, I don't really want to put my Discord name out there for everyone to see. Lot of people on these forums hate me, and I wouldn't put trolling past any of them.

Then the best we can do is type to you here and try to explain it to you the best we can. Nami made a good point that violation inquiries would be easier to answer in that Discord and you can directly talk to the moderator that handled your threads.

If you're worried about people finding out your Discord name - why not make a new discord account and use that to make the inquiry?

OceanicEyesJun 17, 20173 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/EYgrHMrj-aa-spammers-are-fair-and-tanks-are-meaningful

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/uKxhTJqz-we-fixed-fiora-trust-us

I'd imagine it's the attitude you present your posts with. Criticism is perfectly fine, but these posts are less criticism that promotes discussion, and more "let's attack people" and start hostile arguments.

NiyumiJun 18, 20172 votes

I can rewrite that exact same post, but use the most polite language I know, and people would still freak out. In fact, a lot of my posts HAVE been very tame and polite, yet are still downvoted into oblivion and occasionally get removed.

OceanicEyesJun 18, 20171 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/HArTlOAN-another-stupid-question-i-doubt-anyone-can-answer

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/mA66RZ2b-so-weird-question

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/Id8iEdN3-i-wish-i-could-just-go-back-in-time

They're not gameplay posts, but looks like your miscellaneous discussions avoid downvoting to oblivion. Though because it's not gameplay it wouldn't be fair to say that it's solely the change in how you present the discussion, as downvoting and upvoting in gameplay tends to mean agree/disagree.

I'm not gonna tell you to change who you are, but if I had to give advice I'd say try to tone down aggressiveness in posts, keep "discussion > argument " in mind, and remember downvoting and upvoting is almost always an agree/disagree button (though it really shouldn't be).

NiyumiJun 18, 20171 votes

Because I'm not calling Riot greedy and I'm not calling their favorite freelo broken.

SecondChanceHeroJun 18, 20171 votes

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I can rewrite that exact same post, but use the most polite language I know, and people would still freak out. In fact, a lot of my posts HAVE been very tame and polite, yet are still downvoted into oblivion and occasionally get removed.

That's got a lot to do with your post history and general poor attitude as well as an unhealthy level of hostility. You've posted long enough with those habits that the community recognizes it.

If you were to change some of those bad habits and begin posting in a more user friendly way that trespasses less on the universal "don't be a jerk" rule you'd have less issues.

It's kinda tough to complain about something you brought on yourself over the last two years mate. There's a reason the only subboard that tolerates your posts is misc...

Just food for thought mate, hope it helps you make the right choice when it comes to fitting in around here.

NiyumiJun 18, 20172 votes

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If you were to change some of those bad habits and begin posting in a more user friendly way that trapasses less on the universal "don't be a jerk" rule you'd have less issues.

How am I being a jerk? Calling a champion broken and calling out Riot for the definition of greed-driven changes / philosophies is a bad thing?

SecondChanceHeroJun 18, 20171 votes

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How am I being a jerk? Calling a champion broken and calling out Riot for the definition of greed-driven changes / philosophies is a bad thing?

I was making more of a general statement about your past posting history, not so much referring to a particular incident.

I was attempting to point out that a similar sweeping perspective by those handling moderation would probably leave some of your posts in position to be swept up among your other less tidy habits mistakenly, as well.

I might not have done that very well.

NiyumiJun 18, 20171 votes

No I get what you're saying, but all of my posts have the same attitude more or less (in their respective forums though, of course). It was never an issue before, and I was never warned by a mod before. Just these Wardens constantly locking anything I say in Gameplay.

SecondChanceHeroJun 18, 20171 votes

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No I get what you're saying, but all of my posts have the same attitude more or less (in their respective forums though, of course). It was never an issue before, and I was never warned by a mod before. Just these Wardens constantly locking anything I say in Gameplay.

Yeah, that's bound to cause some confusion as we slowly redefine the rule sets applicable to each board, change can be like that. Try to hang tough, we're all gonna make mistakes in various ways as we work on this massive of a project, and it's important that we recognize them to learn from them.

Perhaps in this case one thing we've learned is the value of clarification on a certain issue when that issue is surrounded by some degree of ambiguity and could cause confusion for the involved parties. Visible clarification of why a thing happened a certain way is helpful because it allows many to see the lesson and learn from it without necessarily being involved in the class that lesson was being taught in (if you follow the analogy).

You'd be right in saying that, for that purpose, discord won't be as helpful to the community at large because a smaller audience will get to see the clarification, it won't reach as many people.

In the end, I think, what it really comes down to, is doing what we're doing here, having a constructive discussion of an issue and all the parties involved contribute something more to the structure to make it more complete, when we all work together like this we can accomplish amazing things.

NiyumiJun 18, 20171 votes

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we're all gonna make mistakes in various ways

The mistake was letting players mod the boards. They don't like you or what you say? You're out. Even if you're not breaking a single rule that they're supposed to enforce.

But then, I suppose paying people to mod is too much for a company pulling in >$2.6B a year.

SecondChanceHeroJun 18, 20171 votes

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The mistake was letting players mod the boards. They don't like you or what you say? You're out. Even if you're not breaking a single rule that they're supposed to enforce.

I rather like the concept of the players policing themselves. It's far superior than riot attempting and failing to do so as they have for years on end. We police ourselves anyways and have always been pretty good at it. I certainly see things improving quite a bit with all the recent changes.

Less hostility.

Less infighting and mud slinging.

Less spam posting.

More constructive discussions.

More focused and well organized sub boards.

The list is endless.

And that's all us, the players, working on those things now. I think that's a good thing.

But then, I suppose paying people to mod is too much for a company pulling in >$2.6B a year.

Yeah, that's been a valid point for years. Lol. Thing is, there's never been and will be no change on that note, Riot's not willing to invest properly in that infrastructure and so it falls to us as members of the community to build it ourselves with Riot's blessing.

NiyumiJun 18, 20171 votes

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I rather like the concept of the players policing themselves. It's far superior than riot attempting and failing to do so as they have for years on end. We police ourselves anyways and have always been pretty good at it. I certainly see things improving quite a bit with all the recent changes.

Less hostility.

Less infighting and mud slinging.

Less spam posting.

More constructive discussions.

More focused and well organized sub boards.

The list is endless.

I don't see any of this happening on the forums (as in, changing).

And I don't like it when some random person on the internet, who doesn't work for Riot, basically mutes a person because they have different opinions. Just an abuse of power.

GalaciusJun 19, 20172 votes

Heya,

We do want to work with you and get your feedback, also we have provided you an avenue to do so. At this point, I think this thread has derailed and the original question you had has been answered. With that said, I am going to lock this thread and ask that you please head over to the Boards Moderation Discord.

Thanks,

Galacius

GalaciusJun 24, 20172 votes

Given the feedback from my peers, I have unlocked your thread and I agree that there are legitimate concerns about moderation here. I will apologize for locking this thread and ask that you continue with your concerns.

NiyumiJun 24, 20171 votes

Hah, I really don't care that my threads get locked. I know there's no point to any of them anyway, since I know people won't suddenly agree with me.