So got punished for making this simple statement, and got a 1 day ban. I talked to a few members of the community who agreed that in no way, shape, or form this counts as a rule break. Had a 1 day ban and after I had woken up opt'ed to go into the discord...where I waited about 8 hours before giving up. I'd like to know other's thoughts on this.
Colonel J60 votesI don't think this was a fair punishment or worth a removal tbh.
iamthegoatofwar21 votes[{quoted}](name=Colonel J,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=5KtMnBEb,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-12-02T06:45:09.102+0000)
I don't think this was a fair punishment or worth a removal tbh.
J siding with me...this is like the order and chaos event all over again having both skins on the same team.
mlm olo mlm48 votesI say it all the time. Moderators are too quick on the ban button.
iamthegoatofwar9 votes[{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=5KtMnBEb,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-12-02T09:19:55.218+0000)
I say it all the time. Moderators are too quick on the ban button.
I don't believe in anyway shape or form a statement like this was worth any form of punishment or removal. Since this is my only punishment (in the form of a ban) from the mods that I can recall I can not confirm nor deny what you say about them being quick on the ban button.
AirKingNeo42 votesI thought KnightsKemplar was a decent mod (not perfect or a favorite by any standards, just kinda average), but I guess no more. He literally punished a person for talking about moderation history on the boards, without naming or blaming anyone.
That is unjust.
iamthegoatofwar15 votesI thought KnightsKemplar was a decent mod (not perfect or a favorite by any standards, just kinda average), but I guess no more. He literally punished a person for talking about moderation history on the boards, without naming or blaming anyone.
That is unjust.
Thanks for your thoughts neo. We'll see what knight has to say about this shortly I imagine.
Gravesinger25 votesHow dare you imply that mods aren't perfect. Reported. Banned. Excommunicated. Exiled. Hanged for high treason.
DartExplosion1021 votesthe mods here are actual trash lol
hewhodoesnotcare19 votesMods abusing their power as usual and then ignoring post. Remove these abusive mods
iamthegoatofwar5 votesMods abusing their power as usual and then ignoring post. Remove these abusive mods
Ulanopo at least was kind enough to respond...and I am not certain if this was an abuse of knights power, or him misunderstanding that he should not have enforced a punishment on me, or a removal of my comment. I will give him benefit of the doubt that he made a mistake, but I still would like an apology for it.
Packun Flower19 votesHow dare you call our power mad mods power mad. did you think this was a place of free speech or something?
iamthegoatofwar7 votes[{quoted}](name=Inkling Girl,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=5KtMnBEb,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2018-12-02T17:42:41.467+0000)
How dare you call our power mad mods power mad. did you think this was a place of free speech or something?
I expect it to be free enough to legitimately bring up past or current issues (this would be a current one for example while my post is about the past) of the moderation team and what they have done. ESPECIALLY IN "DISCUSS THE BOARDS". Caps was for clarity as to where my original comment in the photo was removed from on a post.
ModUlanopo18 votesJust to be clear - and because the boards won't let me edit my original post for some reason - the reason this was removed is because we all know who you're talking about and we are not under any circumstances going to host a discussion about whether or not a person who was on the mod team abused their power, acted inappropriately or anything of the sort. We do this out of common respect for that person and because any incidents are considered resolved on our end.
If you have concerns about a member of the moderation team, you are always welcome to ask for a review by one of the Heralds, though it would generally be best if you did so on the Boards Discord. If you are unable to resolve the issue to your satisfaction, the next step would be a support ticket addressed to Keyru.
AirKingNeo46 votesI, for some reason, cannot reply to your main comment, so I'll just reply here. Oh cool, a new comment I can reply to.
We all know who you were talking about and this post only served to start conflict and drama. (Original Statement)
How do you know if he's trying to start conflict and drama? How does that kind of comment even equate to starting drama? If a thread is discussing moderation, am I not allowed to mention negatives of that happening with a historical example?
If anything, he made an offhand comment about previous issues with M&G having a dedicated mod. It could lead into a bigger discussion about how an M&G mod might be not as serious (because M&G seems pretty lax of a board) and maybe even go power hungry (like last time), so perhaps choosing a person should be a careful process.
the reason this was removed is because we all know who you're talking about and we are not under any circumstances going to host a discussion about whether or not a person who was on the mod team abused their power, acted inappropriately or anything of the sort. We do this out of common respect for that person and because any incidents are considered resolved on our end. (1st Revision Statement)
(Response to revision statement) - Once again, I have to ask, what is wrong with talking about previous moderators in a thread that discusses moderation? Also, as previously stated by me, his comment is just offhand; it isn't hosting a discussion or trying to start one. It is mentioned because it is relevant to the discussion, being about moderation.
It is a thread discussing moderation, so the respect for that person doesn't really apply in this case. The comment isn't made to taunt/provoke/harass; it is relevant to the discussion (which is about Moderation). History is taught so that we learn from it and do not repeat it, so why can a board user not mention history on the boards to remind people to not repeat it?
I'd like to end off this reply with an angle that covers the fact that our OP, iamthegoatofwar, should not have been punished. As you can see from the screenshot https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/496161712576135170/518191116835749909/unknown.png the OP has no recent (and therefore relevant) warnings.
Going with your initial statement of "this post only served to start conflict and drama." also doesn't make sense. I've clearly shown above that it doesn't start drama and conflict. There is also no clause in the rules against posts that start drama/conflict. Even if it was believed the comment might cause drama, but doesn't violate the rules, there would be zero reason to 24 hour ban the OP (especially when he has no history.
Going for your revision, I have to say that nothing in your revision indicates a breakage of the board rules. No rules states that it is not allowed to talk about previous moderators. It is not listed under "Inappropriate discussion topics" clause, and, while moderation has the right to use their discretion for what may be an inappropriate topic, the OP has no recent violation history and this discussion topic is something that is not explicitly stated in the rules. Therefore, he should never have been banned for 24 hours.
I think I covered all bases. (Wow this comment is longer than I thought.)
rujitra6 votesI disagree with the ban.
I agree completely the post is harassment. It is as if you went around in public, in an area a person wasn't in, and started screaming "DID YOU KNOW X STOLE SOMETHING AND DID A BAD". It's harassment, plain and simple.
Further, while yes, the individual instance the person mentioned may have been a case where a board specific mod did not work, the player conveniently ignored the other 10+ board specific mods who existed with no problem whatsoever. That further makes it appear that the player was attempting to take a stab at an old wound that they had.
Eternal Torment12 votesYou do know that harassment's defining trait is doing something TO THE PERSON IN QUESTION PERSONALLY.
Repeated bothering, ignoring stops, threatening repeatedly, enforced demanding etc. It isn't harassment for the simple reason that the OP didn't address the person directly, or repeatedly.
NaturesMayhem43 votesJust to be clear - and because the boards won't let me edit my original post for some reason - the reason this was removed is because we all know who you're talking about and we are not under any circumstances going to host a discussion about whether or not a person who was on the mod team abused their power, acted inappropriately or anything of the sort. We do this out of common respect for that person and because any incidents are considered resolved on our end.
"Out of respect", that's not respectful, that's just sweeping it under the rug, it's an excuse to not talk about it. So how do you expect the community to react when a mod abuses their powers? You expect them to just ignore it because mentioning it is apparently against the rules? I don't think I need to elaborate on how asinine that logic is, because I personally don't think anybody actually believes it. It's an excuse to cover up the poor moderation of the boards and nothing more, don't treat your users like idiots.
At the best, this is poor moderation as a result of not properly understanding the rules. At the worst this is yet another sign of mods abusing their power, or them seeking to censor. Which thinking about it, it's quite funny that OP mentioned an abuse of power and the mods go ahead and prove him right.
PB4UAME33 votesit's quite funny that OP mentioned an abuse of power and the mods go ahead and prove him right.
Literally this entire thread in a nutshell. The mods couldn't have proved his point harder if they tried, and yet again, the mods abuse their powers, but this time in full display for everyone to see. Really splendid work guys, just superb! You're not only moderating for RIOT but taking notes from them as well.
disregardable16 votesaw, knightskemplar must be having a bad day :(
iamthegoatofwar9 votesaw, knightskemplar must be having a bad day :(
While I understand that (have a family member going to and from the ER constantly this week) this doesn't excuse him to take it out on others wrongfully. I've been in leadership positions in guilds and groups before and while smaller scale it's still effectively the same idea that punishing others outright for your mood is generally not ok.
JustABot16 votesI don't believe it's wrong to comment about a moderators performance. I've seen plenty of times where someone in power here in the boards would openly say what a player did wrong or got reported for stating that a punishment was justified or they did a wrong action, why can't the community say the same in a non-toxic level to moderators? If a mod was power hungry and everyone knows which it was then that's a consequence of their action, players shouldn't be punished for using that as an example when bringing up a reason why a dedicated mod isn't a good idea, that's just bringing up a previous issue relating to a topic.
Colonel J12 votesI looked over the action and while we could have done a better job of explaining the reason, I feel it's a legit removal. We all know who you were talking about and this post only served to start conflict and drama.
If you want to contest the punishment, you're always welcome to come to the Boards Discord, but I won't be undeleting the content.
Is accusing a moderator of being "power mad" against the rules now or only ex-mods (even if unnamed)? Are we not allowed to speak negatively of ex-mods or are we only not allowed to call them "power mad" ? If I accuse separate ex-mods of being power mad (like on that starts with a T) would I also be punished?
I saw many critical posts as well as posts accusing said ex-moderator of similar things back when they were still a moderator and those comments were kept up just fine and I see posts critical of current mods/advisors/heralds which leads me to believe is is the second and if it truly is the second then I think we need to need to add a new rule the Boards for clarity. "Do not accuse ex-moderators (unnamed or not) of abusing their power."
The reason this was removed is because we all know who you're talking about and we are not under any circumstances going to host a discussion about whether or not a person who was on the mod team abused their power, acted inappropriately or anything of the sort.
This part of your pinned comment is kind of a strawman. OP didn't want to host a discussion about said ex-moderator by any means. If the conversation was heading towards that direction then I can understand the deletion, but it wasn't heading there at all.
ModUlanopo10 votesI looked over the action and while we could have done a better job of explaining the reason, I feel it's a legit removal. We all know who you were talking about and this post only served to start conflict and drama.
If you want to contest the punishment, you're always welcome to come to the Boards Discord, but I won't be undeleting the content.
iamthegoatofwar24 votesI looked over the action and while we could have done a better job of explaining the reason, I feel it's a legit removal. We all know who you were talking about and this post only served to start conflict and drama.
If you want to contest the punishment, you're always welcome to come to the Boards Discord, but I won't be undeleting the content.
This post was legit given the fact that it was related to the past history about moderation and that the topic was discussing future moderation of M+G. To say it only served to start conflict and drama is incorrect. It is simply stating a fact that happened in the past.
ModUlanopo7 votes"they kinda went power mad there" is not a neutral statement on the past. It's an opinion.
iamthegoatofwar23 votes"they kinda went power mad there" is not a neutral statement on the past. It's an opinion.
No that is not when that is exactly what happened. It is a fact.
EDIT:To be clear the mod in question was deleting things that the community said should not have been removed, pulled a because I said so card, and then proceeded to lock the thread regarding the issue without apologizing for his actions. This makes the "opinion" on the situation that transpired there a fact.
rujitra1 votesNo, it doesn't. You are signing a characterisation. That is intently an opinion. It is your opinion that the actions you describe qualify as "power mad".
iamthegoatofwar8 votesIt is not my "opinion" when that was the reason for the mods removal however. That makes it a FACT. Unfortunately I do not believe I will be able to change your opinion on the matter so I'm afraid regarding this subject of you trying to say it's an opinion this is my final reply to you.
rujitra1 votesI didn't know you had access to internal mod operations.
Maybe you should've just used those connections to get it undeleted then?
ninjaroxas13 votesI didn't know you had access to internal mod operations.
Maybe you should've just used those connections to get it undeleted then?
Well the mod himself made a thread that in it he admit that he abused his powers and apologized for it, so maybe you should fact check yourself hot shot
knobblez7 votesI don't know anything about this issue. I am surprised that they would announce to their community that they removed a mod due to said mod going "power mad". That's just unprofessional.
iamthegoatofwar8 votesThe mod them-self admitted it if I recall correctly
EDIT: Also when you add 2+2 together you get 4. For them to have been removed not long after the power abuse that would stand as the only logical reasoning.
Just Monikha14 votesSo you don t have to give your opinion, that s what you re saying here. You know we don t live in dictatorships, there is this thing called freedom of expression which litteraly allows us to express our opinion untill it s not in order to hurt people if you don t know. People these days...
OneMustFall4 votes[{quoted}](name=Just Monikha,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=5KtMnBEb,comment-id=0009000000000001,timestamp=2018-12-02T16:56:06.966+0000)
So you don t have to give your opinion, that s what you re saying here. You know we don t live in dictatorships, there is this thing called freedom of expression which litteraly allows us to express our opinion untill it s not in order to hurt people if you don t know. People these days...
Freedom of expression doesn't apply here. Riot owns these boards and has set rules that specify what is allowed. You agree to follow these rules when you create an account on the boards.
iamthegoatofwar12 votesFreedom of expression doesn't apply here. Riot owns these boards and has set rules that specify what is allowed. You agree to follow these rules when you create an account on the boards.
You are correct, however this does not mean we should allow them to walk over us for them either. Further more the content that was deleted was a fact. As for them deleting opinions while yes they can do so doesn't mean they should.
Just Monikha11 votesSo Riot ban freedom of expression in boards and forces all the champions to build the same way in the game ? Stalin intensifies
Steingeirdan10 votesYeah, some advisors/moderators/heralds can be extremely biased sometimes.
Nothing you can really do about it sadly.
iamthegoatofwar5 votesI believe firmly we can do something. It's just no one wants to speak out it would seem or perhaps doesn't have the communication ability to get it any momentum.
HopeStartsWithU27 votesSo giving an opinion, which doesn't even directly insult (or even insult at all) anyone is ban worthy? You don't have to like other peoples opinions or other people at all but denying their opinion on "higher ups" is a sign of insecurity. You could have just removed his post or even removed the line. Instead you felt so triggered that you even banned him. That is, if you ask me (or anyone who is more objective) "power mad."
On top of it, you just decided to ignore the whole thing without giving a proper explanation for future references. Probably realised that the majority of the boards user don't like the way you handle posts? Sad.
iamthegoatofwar13 votesAs I had stated before hand he is not the one who issued the ban. I don't mind people arguing that he's siding with the person who was in the wrong, but please avoid saying he's the one who banned me.
HopeStartsWithU7 votesYou are completely right. But siding with him means he supports the decision of the ban. You wouldnt call out one bad politician but the entire government when something goes wrong since everyone has a shared responsibility. But yeah directly saying that he banned is wrong, mb on that one.
iamthegoatofwar4 votesI comprehend that thought process. However in this case at most all he's doing wrong is not standing up for what's right cause the person above him is the one who issued the ban is what's going on.
Madjack0110 votesLooks like A Knightskemplar went kinda power mad there.
Kidding aside, I feel like your statement while, yeah possibly bringing back past conflicts in not the best fashion, is more of a greyish thing. If you explained why you thought that, things would have looked entirely different because then people would have something to base a discussion on.
Personally, I think this was just another low quality comment (not necessarily something wrong with that) in a sea of low quality comments that got picked out because of the difficult nature of the subject.
iamthegoatofwar4 votesLooks like A Knightskemplar went kinda power mad there.
Kidding aside, I feel like your statement while, yeah possibly bringing back past conflicts in not the best fashion, is more of a greyish thing. If you explained why you thought that, things would have looked entirely different because then people would have something to base a discussion on.
Personally, I think this was just another low quality comment (not necessarily something wrong with that) in a sea of low quality comments that got picked out because of the difficult nature of the subject.
Something being considered "low quality" alone shouldn't warrant removal however. My comment was in short a very condensed version of "last time we had that some serious issues happened".
MagicFlyingLlama7 votesA 24 hour ban for being rude for no reason, oh shit. muh freeze peach!
iamthegoatofwar55 votesA 24 hour ban for being rude for no reason, oh shit. muh freeze peach!
This wasn't rude how ever?
iamthegoatofwar47 votesA 24 hour ban for being rude for no reason, oh shit. muh freeze peach!
In fact might I request that if you think this is rude explain how.
AirKingNeo30 votesA 24 hour ban for being rude for no reason, oh shit. muh freeze peach!
How is an offhand comment about previous moderation issues within M&G that doesn't name&shame against the rules or even rude?
Marshbouy6 votesMost of the time I am in defense of the moderators on the boards. this is not one of those times.
The Goodest Boy5 votesthis is... a little ridiculous? this is in no way shape or form insulting or rude or inflammatory to literally anyone...
my only guess would be that the person who issued the ban was... friends with the mod who "went power hungry"? trying to cover his reputation? simply mad because you brought it up?
this should NOT have resulted in a ban. im a little worried if this is deemed acceptable.
