KempyreanPirate

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Just read through the entire thread after finding it.

I'm the type who doesn't like to make assumptions when I don't have all the details but I feel I've observed enough at this point to make some judgements and it's pretty clear your behavior there warrants being corrected.

Nope, my behavior was just fine.

Now I'll go into some detail here as I actually support the premise of your post: adcs should not be going top lane. I support it for the complete opposite reason though. Currently the relative strength of ranged champions is absolutely obnoxious and they are pushing out of the role many of the more standard champions and basically invalidating a huge percentage of leagues most beloved and classic champions. So I do agree with your premise, but for the complete opposite reason: adcs are simply too strong there right now and this warps the game in an unhealthy fashion.

Wrong post. My comments were deleted on another account, and was on a topic different than that. But yes, ADCs dont belong top lane.

The thread is fine to post (even if the reasoning given for the premise is probably incorrect). It's fine to have discussion on the topic. It's fine to disagree with the other commenters in the thread. What is NOT fine is refusing to participate in the discussion civilly even when you disagree with another person. Looking through the posts by others to you about the only thing that approaches an insult aimed at you is the one response that is:

I do participate in them civilly. Just people attack me, so I try to get them to stop.

'"I know my stuff"

Clearly you don't.'

That response is actually true! You do not know your stuff as well as you think you do (rather common, even among diamond players, sometimes we say silly shit too because we don't think about it fully). But that comment clearly spurs a more aggressive response from you afterward and while I dont believe that is an insult I DO believe that it wasn't a very constructive comment and that it sent you into a bit of a huff which then caused you to lash out at generally everyone else in the thread.

I know my stuff quite well. So you're wrong in that aspect as well.

There is a much more respectful way to have made a counterpoint than to essentially call you dumb even if your knowledge in this particular case on this particular topic was lacking.

I didn't call anyone dumb.

What I would personally like to see in situations such as this is for one of our mods to step in at that point and ask for a more constructive response form the poster in question and to preemptively tell the other posters in the thread (yourself included) that everyone needs to remain chill about things to have a nice discussion or else the topic will just have to be locked to prevent a commotion. I believe this type of action would encourage you to think a little more rationally and be less upset since you know you are being looked after, it would encourage other posters to post more concise arguments as counterpoints to your premise, and it would preempt a situation occurring more often than not. So those would be notes I have for the mod crew on how to maybe better handle these types of things in the future. Of course timing is important as well and these issues should be acted on more quickly but we will need more volunteer staff to make that a reality.

Whatever. As if that would encourage people to be more civil. Don't think so.

As for your antagonistic statements later on in the post you must keep in mind that NO ONE can know everything, not you, not me, not any one. You have to be willing to accept comments from other posters in the vein they are intended without lashing out just because you disagree. Particularly when more experienced players join in on the discussion as the knowledge base these people have can offer you insight on how to refine or better clarify your position in the debate AS WELL as improve your overall knowledge of the game which can help make you a better player. A player who will then in turn be able to share your wisdom and knowledge with newer players years down the line.

I know when people are being helpful and when they are being a jerk. The guy was a jerk who was attacking me. Nothing more. I know how to clarify myself in a debate, don't need anyone's help. I know the game quite well, so I don't need help to become better because I'VE QUIT THE GAME. I just log into the boards to try to get Riot to reverse this awful preseason patch.

Clearly, you felt attacked and ganged up on. That much is quite obvious. And in your consternation at being in a situation where you felt that was the case you closed your mind as a defense mechanism and lashed out at those you perceived to be doing you harm, which is not a good thing for you, or for any one else and is generally why the behavior is considered unacceptable.

I didn't lash out. My behavior was just fine, and perfectly acceptable.

Now me; I can break these things down like this because I can see from just about every angle and put myself in everyone else's shoes and come to an understanding of exactly how I would feel or act in a similar situation but this is a rather unique and difficult to acquire skill that not everyone has or can have. It's why we rely on a team of moderators and need a larger team. The more we have the better they can function as a group to cover each other's weaknesses. I'm aware that you felt quite wronged by that statement and it's easy for me to understand why. Your entire tirade here could probably have been better served if you were a bit calmer and would have explained this to the group interacting with you here in the same way I have, and while it still wouldn't have made what you did right later in the thread, it WOULD have made it more understandable and given the crew a focus for a small way in which they might be able to improve for the future.

Like being calmer would help things because everything you mods say just makes me more angry. Nope, that wouldn't have helped at all. Mods just need to be trained better.

I think your actions do warrant some form of corrective action (just a time out will suffice) and that, if you take a moment to calm down, you'll see that everyone involved can find ways to better themselves and learn from this stuff to be better in the future. Would you agree with that much at least?

Nope. I didn't deserve any corrective action. Mods need to be better, I don't.

End of discussion.

no need to be condescending; everyone deserves a chance to have a conversation about it.

Mm. Okay, I think I'm now clear on where you're coming from.

All I can say is that calling other people names or making negative comments about them are always going to be considered insults on the Boards. I recognize and respect that you don't feel that way, but we can't please everyone. This is the definition that has been chosen and we'll be sticking to it for now.

This is like claiming, "I didn't shoot him your honor" when they have video surveillance clearly showing you pointing a gun at the man and pulling the trigger.

The judges seem to think that you did it, the evidence points to that too. And to any reasonable bystander it looks like you did do it.

You are simply repeating yourself more emphatically while ignoring the points of those who respond to you. This is not going to convince anybody to believe you.

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I don't care. I didn't do anything to be punished. And they did it after I stopped talking to the guy.

Fucking bs. I hate the boards now just as much as I hate Riot.

I don't know the exact instance, all I can surmise from statements in this thread is some one did something rude to you, you essentially told them to fuck off in some sort of also rude manner and got slapped with a punishment for it.

I've had it out with moderation in its various forms about just how bad it looks to react to something this slowly and the poor taste it leaves in everyone's mouth. Clearly you would not be upset if this action had occurred immediately after you posted. Other posters would not have seen the example set and felt like they could also follow it. And any offending post that triggered you should have been nipped before it triggers you if it broke the rules.

I completely understand your consternation. I've been informing people for a long time that that is what happens when moderation is poorly performed and lax in a certain regard (and as great as our vols are in some respects there are one or two respects in which the need to make some dramatic improvements, but they need additional help in order to be able to do so) and that this lax and lagging activity is a CAUSE for some of the problems with the boards as opposed to a solution.

If you made a comment that violates board rules, regardless of the length of time taken to correct it, it should have been removed.

I believe the real problem lies in the fact that slow moderation allowed the situation to occur at all when (if we actually had enough volunteers to handle things) it's a situation that might have been (and probably should have been) prevented entirely by good moderator interaction in a timely fashion.