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Unfair judgment

SnugglePuggle94··6 votes·595 views

To the unnamed "warden": What is your problem? Seriously? This is not cool at all. It's been like you are trying to get me pissed off enough that I will snap and then you can ban me. What does that say about your personality? Hmm? I say that's worse than what I have been acting. Anyhow, I want to talk about what you have done.

First, you post on my thread saying I was falsely reporting people.

  1. I was not falsely reporting people. They were being rude, and in that aspect, that falls under the "offensive" category in the report section. Also, that guy to me, in my truthful opinion, the more he went on, the more I felt he was harassing me, so that falls under the "Harassment" category. Therefore, none of those were false reports. Based on this, I see your judgment already faltering.

Then, 10 hours later, you come back and accuse me of insulting people.

  1. I was NOT insulting people. The only ones I called "idiots" where the people my post was ABOUT, like the Lucian that had been in MY GAME, who had stupidly decided to take an ADC top in a ranked game against a Riven. He is an idiot- because he fed her and we lost. So I made a thread to ANNOUNCE to people- do not take ADC's top. Other than that, I did not insult anyone commenting on my post. I only called out people on what they were being- I called the troll out for being who he was. He was provoking me to get mad (just like I sense that you are), and what I think is a troll, is different than some others think it can be. Anyhow, I was trying to get him to stop harassing me.

You also accused me of baiting people. Like the hell I was! I had no intentions whatsoever of baiting, trolling, or insulting anyone when I made the post or replied on people's comments. I was trying to get a meaningful conversation going, but also trying to get people to understand my stance on why I thought ADC's don't belong top lane. In my mind I had no intention of baiting people or doing any of those things. Again, your judgment is lacking here and so, SO unfair.

Then, you unfairly lock my post on wrong accusations. I did nothing of those things. So when I woke up this morning to find my post like this, I try to go find you to talk about it. And since I have a hard time finding the "Let's Talk" board- which I didn't even knew existed when I was looking- I saw a "Game Warden" thread and thought that was a good one to comment on. After that, I thought I saw another one that might work better so I commented there, just in case the first wasn't seen.

Then I get all my comments and discussions deleted- by another "warden" because of it being in "the wrong board." Well hell I didn't know they were the wrong one! And, on top of that, YOU decide to delete more saying I was in violation of the Universal Rules, specifically spamming and trolling. LIKE THE HELL I WAS!

I was not spamming. I posted like what, two or three comments? So, to get this straight for you, here is an example of spamming. Let's use the words "I HATE YOU" for example.

I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU

and on and on. THAT is spamming. I had no intention of spamming, I only made a few comments because I wasn't sure if I could get it viewed/if I was in the right board/I didn't know where to go.

And, I already touched on the fact that I had no intention of trolling either. Trolling has many examples, such as a person constantly going down the middle lane of the game and dying, or being a rude jerk to someone and spamming crude jokes, and more. I did nothing of that. Like I said, I was just trying to get my stance on my post known to people. THAT'S ALL.

And with that moderation notice, you give me a unfair warning and insinuate that I am similar to "Tyler1 unban him" threads. How dare you. That is a low blow. I posted a few times asking for my post to be unlocked because it was unfairly locked, and you pissed me off royally. With Riot, I've learned to show my emotions because of people like you. But I wasn't being like those tyler1 threads AT ALL. That is a clear insult.

So, "warden", what is your problem with me? It's like you just kept spitting unfair accusations and judgments, including the Tyler1 insult (which is more of an insult than anything I have said), just to spite me or something. To me, I don't see what Riot saw in you to appoint you to the Riot community to be a "warden," because you don't do it right at all.

I've been researching and seems like more people, not just me, are not happy with your judgments. One even called for your removal, and you deleted the post based on it being a "repeat-post." They weren't happy at all, so apparently you must have made an unfair judgment with them to.

I was defending myself from someone who was harassing me, and I get this in return.

Maybe you should learn the difference between insulting/baiting/trolling and someone defending themselves, because you clearly don't right now. You were unfair and cruel, and insulting to boot. I don't know why you were appointed in the first place.

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Galacius7 votes

So lets go ahead and start shall we?

First, you post on my thread saying I was falsely reporting people.

I was not falsely reporting people. They were being rude, and in that aspect, that falls under the "offensive" category in the report section. Also, that guy to me, in my truthful opinion, the more he went on, the more I felt he was harassing me, so that falls under the "Harassment" category. Therefore, none of those were false reports. Based on this, I see your judgment already faltering.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/1g5YlsJ4-locked-psa-do-not-take-a-marksmen-top-ever-in-ranked-or-normals-for-that-matter?show=flat&comment=0005

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/1g5YlsJ4-locked-psa-do-not-take-a-marksmen-top-ever-in-ranked-or-normals-for-that-matter?show=flat&comment=00050000

"i know my stuff"

clearly you don't

Your response:

Yes, I do.

Reported.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/1g5YlsJ4-locked-psa-do-not-take-a-marksmen-top-ever-in-ranked-or-normals-for-that-matter?show=flat&comment=000500000000000000000000

I have shown my proof. I have shown how I know about the game. So stop harassing me or you will get reported and punished if you keep doing so.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/1g5YlsJ4-locked-psa-do-not-take-a-marksmen-top-ever-in-ranked-or-normals-for-that-matter?show=flat&comment=00050000000000000000000000010000

I have shown my proof. I have done everything I need too. Stop harassing me, you troll. I know what I am talking about, and that's the end of story. I am done talking with you, because you don't deserve the light of day.

Reported also.

Good fing bye.

Then, 10 hours later, you come back and accuse me of insulting people.

I was NOT insulting people. The only ones I called "idiots" where the people my post was ABOUT, like the Lucian that had been in MY GAME, who had stupidly decided to take an ADC top in a ranked game against a Riven. He is an idiot- because he fed her and we lost. So I made a thread to ANNOUNCE to people- do not take ADC's top. Other than that, I did not insult anyone commenting on my post. I only called out people on what they were being- I called the troll out for being who he was. He was provoking me to get mad (just like I sense that you are), and what I think is a troll, is different than some others think it can be. Anyhow, I was trying to get him to stop harassing me.

See what I posted above.

You also accused me of baiting people. Like the hell I was! I had no intentions whatsoever of baiting, trolling, or insulting anyone when I made the post or replied on people's comments. I was trying to get a meaningful conversation going, but also trying to get people to understand my stance on why I thought ADC's don't belong top lane. In my mind I had no intention of baiting people or doing any of those things. Again, your judgment is lacking here and so, SO unfair.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/1g5YlsJ4-locked-psa-do-not-take-a-marksmen-top-ever-in-ranked-or-normals-for-that-matter?show=flat

Yes, I'm salty but I know my stuff. And I am TIRED of constantly losing games because of idiots who deserve to be in Wood 5 because they don't pick the right top laner. Sure, 1 out of every 100 games might work out, but in RANKED, when LP IS ON THE LINE, DON'T FREAKING DO IT.

Pick a champ that helps your team, not hinders it.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/1g5YlsJ4-locked-psa-do-not-take-a-marksmen-top-ever-in-ranked-or-normals-for-that-matter?show=flat&comment=0005000000000000

Wow. What a rude jerk you are. Saying "reported" shows nothing of how "much I know the game." I'm saying it because you are being mean, end of story.

I know the game very well. I've seen it through my experience and many games played. I've studied through the boards too. So don't you DARE call me that again.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/1g5YlsJ4-locked-psa-do-not-take-a-marksmen-top-ever-in-ranked-or-normals-for-that-matter?show=flat&comment=0001000200000000

Quinn has nothing besides her blind. Her E or whatever one that makes her bounce off them and back into AA range isn't that much of a spell because she isn't able to get very far away, especially if she's against a top laner who has gap closers and stuns. And she can't use her ult while taking damage. Soooooo your argument is basically irrelevant.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/1g5YlsJ4-locked-psa-do-not-take-a-marksmen-top-ever-in-ranked-or-normals-for-that-matter?show=flat&comment=000500000000000000000000

I have shown my proof. I have shown how I know about the game. So stop harassing me or you will get reported and punished if you keep doing so.

Then, you unfairly lock my post on wrong accusations. I did nothing of those things. So when I woke up this morning to find my post like this, I try to go find you to talk about it. And since I have a hard time finding the "Let's Talk" board- which I didn't even knew existed when I was looking- I saw a "Game Warden" thread and thought that was a good one to comment on. After that, I thought I saw another one that might work better so I commented there, just in case the first wasn't seen.

You had three removals telling you exactly what board you needed to go to not including Furor's Comment here and your response. Also, the comments in Talk to a Warden which are now deleted since they were for player recruitment, also told you to head over here. We gave you the board and told you where to go MANY times.

Then I get all my comments and discussions deleted- by another "warden" because of it being in "the wrong board." Well hell I didn't know they were the wrong one! And, on top of that, YOU decide to delete more saying I was in violation of the Universal Rules, specifically spamming and trolling. LIKE THE HELL I WAS!

After you submit more than one and we have told you where to go (again many times), it is considered spam now and we will remove it.

And with that moderation notice, you give me a unfair warning and insinuate that I am similar to "Tyler1 unban him" threads. How dare you. That is a low blow. I posted a few times asking for my post to be unlocked because it was unfairly locked, and you pissed me off royally. With Riot, I've learned to show my emotions because of people like you. But I wasn't being like those tyler1 threads AT ALL. That is a clear insult.

I don't recall actioning on a thread that had any of this in it. If you're referring to Bakaprase, then yes I did tell others that they were posting spam and we are deleting it because it was like a Tyler1 unban him thread.

So, "warden", what is your problem with me? It's like you just kept spitting unfair accusations and judgments, including the Tyler1 insult (which is more of an insult than anything I have said), just to spite me or something. To me, I don't see what Riot saw in you to appoint you to the Riot community to be a "warden," because you don't do it right at all.

I've been researching and seems like more people, not just me, are not happy with your judgments. One even called for your removal, and you deleted the post based on it being a "repeat-post." They weren't happy at all, so apparently you must have made an unfair judgment with them to.

I was defending myself from someone who was harassing me, and I get this in return.

Maybe you should learn the difference between insulting/baiting/trolling and someone defending themselves, because you clearly don't right now. You were unfair and cruel, and insulting to boot. I don't know why you were appointed in the first place.

If you mean the game the system post and the one on old boards feedback that had General Discussion upset at me (because I said all shitposts belong in GD), then yes that's there. Those two posts were also when I was green and had no idea what I was doing. Now that I have more experience and I have seen quite a bit, I do believe I made the right decision here and frankly you were harassing, spamming, and trolling others.

I enforce the Universal Rules every day. I also go into threads and try to help people understand that they're not following them. Therefore, I can safely say I know the difference between insulting, baiting, and trolling on the boards I moderate (gameplay and roaming) and the other threads I am learning to moderate (the rest of them). When you say I am "unfair and cruel" you make it sound like I was torturing you when I locked your thread. It was a thread, you were causing a problem, and I locked it. That's cut and dry and if that's unfair and cruel, well then I guess the rest of the Wardens, Arbiters, and Riot staff who moderates the boards are unfair and cruel when they remove offensive material (hate speech, harassment posts, personal attacks, etc).

To end this big post, I'm sure you're going to say I am this "evil and cruel" person and try to dehumanize me and that's fine. However, I listed the facts, so feel free to list your facts and present a counter argument.

SnugglePuggle944 votes

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So lets go ahead and start shall we?

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/1g5YlsJ4-locked-psa-do-not-take-a-marksmen-top-ever-in-ranked-or-normals-for-that-matter?show=flat&comment=0005

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/1g5YlsJ4-locked-psa-do-not-take-a-marksmen-top-ever-in-ranked-or-normals-for-that-matter?show=flat&comment=00050000

Your response:

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/1g5YlsJ4-locked-psa-do-not-take-a-marksmen-top-ever-in-ranked-or-normals-for-that-matter?show=flat&comment=000500000000000000000000

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/1g5YlsJ4-locked-psa-do-not-take-a-marksmen-top-ever-in-ranked-or-normals-for-that-matter?show=flat&comment=00050000000000000000000000010000

Yeah you are just posting the link back to my post and not even saying why. Nice job trying to make an argument there. None of my stuff is falsely reporting, harassing, baiting, or trolling. I already told you why many times and explained why I did what I did. You clearly don't know how to warden effectively.

See what I posted above.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/1g5YlsJ4-locked-psa-do-not-take-a-marksmen-top-ever-in-ranked-or-normals-for-that-matter?show=flat

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/1g5YlsJ4-locked-psa-do-not-take-a-marksmen-top-ever-in-ranked-or-normals-for-that-matter?show=flat&comment=0005000000000000

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/1g5YlsJ4-locked-psa-do-not-take-a-marksmen-top-ever-in-ranked-or-normals-for-that-matter?show=flat&comment=0001000200000000

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/1g5YlsJ4-locked-psa-do-not-take-a-marksmen-top-ever-in-ranked-or-normals-for-that-matter?show=flat&comment=000500000000000000000000

You had three removals telling you exactly what board you needed to go to not including Furor's Comment here and your response. Also, the comments in Talk to a Warden which are now deleted since they were for player recruitment, also told you to head over here. We gave you the board and told you where to go MANY times.

EXCUSE ME? You guys REMOVED my comments AFTER I had posted them, then told me AFTER where to go. How can I know WHERE TO GO, if I had posted them BEFORE YOU TOLD ME WHERE????? Do you see what's wrong with this???? I can't believe this ridicule right now. You guys are unbelievable.

After you submit more than one and we have told you where to go (again many times), it is considered spam now and we will remove it. Again, my stuff WASN'T SPAM because I didn't know where to go and then you tell me AFTER I post them.

I don't recall actioning on a thread that had any of this in it. If you're referring to Bakaprase, then yes I did tell others that they were posting spam and we are deleting it because it was like a Tyler1 unban him thread.

Again, my stuff wasn't spam. I told you what spamming is, and you clearly still don't know after I told you. I told you why I made the few comments, and it was NOT SPAM. You are making me think you have a low IQ. And you have a bad memory if you don't remember sending me the moderation notice with the Tyler1 insult. That was mean and cruel.

If you mean the game the system post and the one on old boards feedback that had General Discussion upset at me (because I said all shitposts belong in GD), then yes that's there. Those two posts were also when I was green and had no idea what I was doing. Now that I have more experience and I have seen quite a bit, I do believe I made the right decision here and frankly you were harassing, spamming, and trolling others.

I was not. None of what I said was harassing, spamming, or trolling. You do not belong on the boards. AT ALL. None of what I said was even CLOSE to that. I only called the people in my game idiots and that was it. The "rude jerk" and "troll" was not harassing. None of my comments replying to people who were arguing against my post were harassing, baiting, or trolling. THAT WAS ME, BEING ME. THAT WAS ME, TRYING TO PROVE MY POINT. THAT WAS ME, BEING SOMEONE WHO WAS PISSED OFF AT MY GAME BUT NOTHING ELSE.

I enforce the Universal Rules every day. I also go into threads and try to help people understand that they're not following them. Therefore, I can safely say I know the difference between insulting, baiting, and trolling on the boards I moderate (gameplay and roaming) and the other threads I am learning to moderate (the rest of them). When you say I am "unfair and cruel" you make it sound like I was torturing you when I locked your thread. It was a thread, you were causing a problem, and I locked it. That's cut and dry and if that's unfair and cruel, well then I guess the rest of the Wardens, Arbiters, and Riot staff who moderates the boards are unfair and cruel when they remove offensive material (hate speech, harassment posts, personal attacks, etc).

You clearly do not know the difference when you call me baiting, harassing, and trolling. You were cruel because you insulted me and made me look like a fool in front of everyone else. I was not causing a problem AT ALL. I was having a conversation with people and you ruined it for no good reason. None of my stuff had any of that, so if the other actual Riot employees actually remove stuff like that (hate speech, harassment, personal attacks,) then they are doing what they are supposed to do because those people ARE ACTUALLY DOING THAT STUFF. I DID NOT.

To end this big post, I'm sure you're going to say I am this "evil and cruel" person and try to dehumanize me and that's fine. However, I listed the facts, so feel free to list your facts and present a counter argument.

You showed no facts. You do not deserve your "warden" status AT ALL. I've already submitted a ticket asking to report you.

DO YOU THINK, IF I DID ALL THAT STUFF, I WOULD BE TRYING TO DEFEND IT SO VEHEMENTLY????? NO MOST PEOPLE WOULDN'T TRY TO DEFEND IT LIKE I AM, BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY DID THAT STUFF! I am defending myself and asking for my post back because I DIDN'T DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS.

And you are cruel, unfair, and don't know the difference of anything. You need to be fired, period.

Galacius6 votes

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Yeah you are just posting the link back to my post and not even saying why. Nice job trying to make an argument there. None of my stuff is falsely reporting, harassing, baiting, or trolling. I already told you why many times and explained why I did what I did. You clearly don't know how to warden effectively.

EXCUSE ME? You guys REMOVED my comments AFTER I had posted them, then told me AFTER where to go. How can I know WHERE TO GO, if I had posted them BEFORE YOU TOLD ME WHERE????? Do you see what's wrong with this???? I can't believe this ridicule right now. You guys are unbelievable. Again, my stuff WASN'T SPAM because I didn't know where to go and then you tell me AFTER I post them.

Again, my stuff wasn't spam. I told you what spamming is, and you clearly still don't know after I told you. I told you why I made the few comments, and it was NOT SPAM. You are making me think you have a low IQ. And you have a bad memory if you don't remember sending me the moderation notice with the Tyler1 insult. That was mean and cruel.

I was not. None of what I said was harassing, spamming, or trolling. You do not belong on the boards. AT ALL. None of what I said was even CLOSE to that. I only called the people in my game idiots and that was it. The "rude jerk" and "troll" was not harassing. None of my comments replying to people who were arguing against my post were harassing, baiting, or trolling. THAT WAS ME, BEING ME. THAT WAS ME, TRYING TO PROVE MY POINT. THAT WAS ME, BEING SOMEONE WHO WAS PISSED OFF AT MY GAME BUT NOTHING ELSE.

You clearly do not know the difference when you call me baiting, harassing, and trolling. You were cruel because you insulted me and made me look like a fool in front of everyone else. I was not causing a problem AT ALL. I was having a conversation with people and you ruined it for no good reason. None of my stuff had any of that, so if the other actual Riot employees actually remove stuff like that (hate speech, harassment, personal attacks,) then they are doing what they are supposed to do because those people ARE ACTUALLY DOING THAT STUFF. I DID NOT.

You showed no facts. You do not deserve your "warden" status AT ALL. I've already submitted a ticket asking to report you.

DO YOU THINK, IF I DID ALL THAT STUFF, I WOULD BE TRYING TO DEFEND IT SO VEHEMENTLY????? NO MOST PEOPLE WOULDN'T TRY TO DEFEND IT LIKE I AM, BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY DID THAT STUFF! I am defending myself and asking for my post back because I DIDN'T DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS.

And you are cruel, unfair, and don't know the difference of anything. You need to be fired, period.

Alright then I don't think you will listen to reason. I will leave you with this... when we delete posts you get a notification at the top right that tells you EXACTLY (or should) why your post got removed and what resources are available to you. Since you submitted a ticket and want me fired then this is over. Good luck to you.

SnugglePuggle943 votes

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Alright then I don't think you will listen to reason. I will leave you with this... when we delete posts you get a notification at the top right that tells you EXACTLY (or should) why your post got removed and what resources are available to you. Since you submitted a ticket and want me fired then this is over. Good luck to you.

No, I am the one that is clear here. And yes I got the notifications. You make me want to slam my head against the wall. Like I said before, you removed my comments after I made them. So when I made them I didn't know where to go. I saw the notification after and found out where to go then. That is why I am here now and not posting anywhere else. They weren't spam at all.

After all this I still feel I should have my post back. Because of the trouble you have caused. And yes you deserve to be fired.

MissMikasa3 votes

Seriously man, just give him his post back. I've been reading through all this and you are in the wrong here, he isn't. That's not cool how you are being to him.

Eleana6 votes

Forums have a no naming and shaming rule. Perhaps you need to take a breath and analyze the situation from a 3rd person's perspective.

SnugglePuggle943 votes

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Forums have a no naming and shaming rule. Perhaps you need to take a breath and analyze the situation from a 3rd person's perspective.

I said no names of any players. I didn't shame anyone.

Drugoth4 votes

Shall I walk you through some deep breathing excersises? You look like you need it, badly.

SnugglePuggle942 votes

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Shall I walk you through some deep breathing excersises? You look like you need it, badly.

No. This post was only to the warden. Go away!

Drugoth3 votes

Suit yourself. But you're missing out big time. I was able to achieve a state of zen years ago which has enabled me to not take anything personally online. I was willing to share my secrets with you, but if you want to wallow in misery that's your prerogative.

SnugglePuggle942 votes

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Suit yourself. But you're missing out big time. I was able to achieve a state of zen years ago which has enabled me to not take anything personally online. I was willing to share my secrets with you, but if you want to wallow in misery that's your prerogative.

Who says I'm miserable? No one. I am pissed off and insulted, not sad. No one asked for your help and I don't need any state of zen.

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