I think it is extremely selfish and off-putting when people do this.
It's often just a desperate attempt to manipulate people and force Riot to pay attention to the poster's issue above all other issues that are also clamoring for Riot's attention.
It's downright fucking irritating and disrespectful to just about everyone involved, both boards users and Rioters alike.
Enderspider10 votes
HalcyonDweller2 votesGenerally I agree, people making posts like the ones I'm complaining about are often overreacting and taking things personally that should not be taken personally in any way.
But I'm concerned by your racist undertones of implying that difficulty pronouncing L's somehow correlates to raging about Riot corruption.
redniwediS3 votesEngrish is just referring to broken or incomplete English, not anyone specific that has trouble with the letter L. It definitely started out that way, but it has changed over the years to something far less offensive.
Yizwire2 votes
- Riot makes great game
- many people play game
- Riot makes a change that isnt liked by about 1% of the community
- "RIOT SUCKS. RIOT IS CORRUPT THIS GAME SUCKS random incomprehensible angry engrish"
1%??? People react to something being overpowerd and they can't be nerfed or well balanced. Remember 90% banrate on Yasou? I don't think that is under 1%
ChuShoe3 votesI believe the filthy normies call it... "Angerish"
Enderspider2 votesthat is really accurate
ModKnightsKemplar6 votesIt would do the Boards a lot of good if every "WTF RIOT" thread was replaced with a "Let's discuss the particulars of this change" thread.
Unfortunately, some people are not here to discuss the game. They are here to rant. It's very hard to reconcile the same space for people who want to rant and people who want real discussion. Those two populations tend to clash.
HalcyonDweller2 votesIndeed they do clash :<
IMO venting should be done in a word document or on real paper, not in a space that is designed for the purpose of useful discussions regarding the game. But that is obviously my opinion and it's not practical to expect people to follow that.
Perhaps something could be put in place to reduce the visibility of vent posts that weren't intended to produce valuable discussions. I'm talking about something besides just votes, more looking for something to prevent posts from being resurrected if they are clearly just a vent post. Like a step in-between punishment and being deleted, where the post can be muted without punishing the poster.
AirKingNeo1 votesOr you know, people are just really mad after being ignored trying the EXACT option you stated you wanted people to do, y'know.
ModKnightsKemplar3 votesYou can expect to be ignored if all you're looking for is Riot to do whatever you ask. That's not what the Boards are for, and they won't ever be.
AirKingNeo1 votesNo, I'm asking for basic communication which they seem to fail at, somehow.
ModKnightsKemplar4 votesThey aren't failing at it; Riot is pretty capable at getting info across when they want to. There have been some instances where they have admitted they dropped the ball a bit, but it has never been their goal to address every concern that floats to the front page of Boards. Nor should they. They have work to do.
The Boards are for communicating with other players. If we happen to have a really good conversation that warrants attention, they have been known to comment on those. If your goal is to get Riot attention on your posts, rather than have decent discussion, I'm afraid you're on the wrong forums.
This is exactly what I was talking about, by the way. Some of us are here to discuss the game. Others are here in a desperate gambit to get Riot's attention. They can tell which of us is which, you know. It's not rocket science.
AirKingNeo2 votesYou're misunderstanding what communication is. You're acting like it's something Riot uses to tell what they want to tell us. You're completely forgetting the opposing: Us telling Riot what we want to tell them.
That's what Riot fails at, and I stated it very well before. They're talking down at us, not with us. It's a one-way conversation. It's like a stereotypical politician, really. Refusing to answer the questions people want answers to and only answering the questions they want to answer.
Funny, these forums had the original intention for Riot to player communication to exist. There were times you could make a legitimate discussion about the game and Riot Morello would hop in the thread and discuss the game with you. That doesn't happen anymore, so, like I said, people got angry and are sick of being talked at, rather than with.
This isn't what you're talking about. What you're talking about is threads saying "Fire Ghostcrawler." I'm talking about actual discussions, like supports being overpowered, the top lane crisis, aatrox rework, changes on the PBE that makes absolutely no sense based on both champion statistics and how high elo feels about said champion, league of stopwatch, and how precision is so fucking terrible for melee champions.
HalcyonDweller2 votesI actually agree here, it's a very one-way street and that feels awful for us.
AirKingNeo1 votesI've been right the entire time. Riot cut all communication to them and only shouts what they're 'doing' at us like some stereotypical politician.
HalcyonDweller1 votesI literally just agreed, and reiterated why to show that I understood. Why in the hell are you making a dig about being right?
Do you care more about being right or more about reaching an understanding?
Saying shit like, "I've been right the entire time." Evokes past arguments and disagreements rather than focusing on the existing agreement. It doesn't promote understanding, and it is borderline combative.
Sp33d Zer01 votesRiot physically CANNOT respond to every single thread on the boards.
AirKingNeo1 votesRespond to the front page like everyone else does.
Also, I haven't seen a Rioter have a real conversation within my entire time on these boards.
Sp33d Zer01 votesYou must be new here.
AirKingNeo1 votesNo, I'm old enough to where time has lost me.
Still waiting for the day I can say "here's changes that would make adc less broken without making the class worthless" and a Rioter actually discuss the changelist.
Sp33d Zer01 votesConsidering the just made a post about trying to set it up so comps can be without an adc? I think you got some good chances of getting noticed. Hell why not try doing a private message to a rioter on the gameplay team?
AirKingNeo1 votesHell why not try doing a private message to a rioter on the gameplay team?
Because there's no way you can do that.
heroikc5 votesYeah, this is getting cheesy; if people are too prideful to ask for solutions, they shouldn't be making problems.
HalcyonDweller2 votesYeah, this is getting cheesy; if people are too prideful to ask for solutions, they shouldn't be making problems.
Well said! I agree wholeheartedly.
AninLegions7773 votesCorrupt, no. Imcompetent, very much so.
redniwediS2 votesReporting might be a bit of a stretch, seeing as how they actually have to break the Board rules for it. I already downvote them though, so I'm with you on that.
Mandalorian 1172 votesIt just seems stupid. If riot didn’t care about their game and champions, why keep updating it so frequently?
HalcyonDweller1 votesThat is also a good point. I think that part of the problem arises because the posters I'm referencing tend to take it personally when Riot doesn't fix something they believe should be fixed. They assume that "Riot must be doing this maliciously in order to harm me because it is so obvious to me that this is a problem how could they not see that?!?"
It's a shame that people think that way, but it is how it is. If people could get over the idea that they are the center of the universe we would probably see a lot less of the types of posts we're frustrated about.
Mandalorian 1172 votesThe worst are people that think riot is trying to kill their game. Like they want to make a new product, so they try to make everyone leave this one. I wish I was kidding. That is stupid in so many ways. If they make a new product, they have to make sure it succeeds before abonfonung the current one. We have no teasers or info of a new product, so that argument is invalid. And there will still be people loyal to lol, they can’t leave them in the dust. I’m sorry for my rant, but I find it hard to believe that people on these forums actually believe this stuff because “zoey is not fun to deal with” we actually need anti fun champions believe it or not.
HalcyonDweller2 votesNo worries, it didn't seem to rant-like to me.
But what do you mean by we 'need' anti-fun champions?
Mandalorian 1171 votesNow this is my opinion and philosophy on video games. It is most likely not true, but this is how I see it. Someone who is unfun to play against forces you to learn their strengths and weaknesses and try to not play by their rules.
A prime example is illoui. If you don’t stay in motion, keep dodging skill shots, don’t watch her mana, and don’t build armor, she will make sure you tear your hair out. You do all of that, illoui will have a bad time. This should also encourage teammates to help you. Like “oh crap, he’s having trouble against yasuo. He’s a late game terror so we’d better help him out for all our sake”. Same goes for other games. Nobody likes snipers in cod, halo, or counter strike, but if you stay out of the way and force them into cqb, they’ll struggle.
Whether annoying characters/weapons/builds are balanced is debatabe, but at the same time if they are that annoying they are doing their jobs right. Plus it’s a guilty pleasure for a lot of people, a good stress relief to some, and there are masochists who like these games.
Like I said, I might be wrong on this, but this is why I think there needs to be annoyances in games. It makes you think more about strategy, and learning the opponent.
HalcyonDweller2 votesThat's a super interesting philosophy to me, and I think I mostly agree, generally speaking.
I think that forcing players to play in new ways is absolutely a great design tenet. However I do not think that punishing them so severely for failing to do so is fair.
For examples:
Completely losing spells that hit Wind Wall is rather upsetting because it entirely violates the expectation of using the power fantasy, as such I believe it would be more fair for those players to receive some form of compensation, possibly in the form of reduced cooldowns or restored resources. Alternatively it could even restore the cooldown for those abilities but dis-allow them for 30 seconds if they have longer cooldowns than 30 seconds.
Failing to play around Zoe's Sleepy Trouble Bubble is practically suicidal given how much it does to enable the rest of her damage to be used without consequence. And I personally feel that Zoe gets far too many handholding mechanics for such a useful ability.
Illaoi's entire theme of fight or die is really cool, but it needs to be done in a way that makes it less punishing for players who break the chain to their soul. And Riot did just that, they reworked how it worked shortly after release because it was punishing players way too hard for running from her.
Mandalorian 1171 votesThis is the main problems I have with Zoe and yas. For the most part, they aren’t so bad. However those two moves are a bit more trouble than they should be.
Something that I think needs to be done about Zoe that I think would work ok for both sides is lowering the speed of the bubble, and removing it’s true damage. That way It’s just another stun, and it makes Zoe be more precise with it. Instead of spamming it, use it in a position where you know it will hit someone or might step in the new trap. If anything the trap provides lane pressure.
Yasuo however is tricky. It’s actually great ability that fits the theme so well, but it’s so overloaded. It blocks everything from a basic attack, to ultimates, and he has no resource management. Fiora’s w has counter play because it only happens in a second and she needs mana. The only thing I can think of is make it to where he has to chose between his passive shield and his windwall. The energy he builds up will be the resource. He can burn all of it on the passive for an edge in trading, or use all of it on the wall. Keeping him pressured can make sure you keep the resources down and he keeps burning his energy on his passive. And if he knows we are about to go all in, he sets up the wall to burn half our combos and keeps him safe for a second, but once the wall dissipates he’s vulnerable because he has no passive. That’s all I can think of that might make it fun on both sides. I don’t know if that will work in practice though.
HalcyonDweller1 votes[{quoted}](name=Mandalorian 117,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=2zieqrtg,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-01T19:46:01.282+0000)
This is the main problems I have with Zoe and yas. For the most part, they aren’t so bad. However those two moves are a bit more trouble than they should be.
Something that I think needs to be done about Zoe that I think would work ok for both sides is lowering the speed of the bubble, and removing it’s true damage. That way It’s just another stun, and it makes Zoe be more precise with it. Instead of spamming it, use it in a position where you know it will hit someone or might step in the new trap. If anything the trap provides lane pressure.
I agree with you here, and I think that's a good idea for a change for Zoe.
Yasuo however is tricky. It’s actually great ability that fits the theme so well, but it’s so overloaded. It blocks everything from a basic attack, to ultimates, and he has no resource management. Fiora’s w has counter play because it only happens in a second and she needs mana. The only thing I can think of is make it to where he has to chose between his passive shield and his windwall. The energy he builds up will be the resource. He can burn all of it on the passive for an edge in trading, or use all of it on the wall. Keeping him pressured can make sure you keep the resources down and he keeps burning his energy on his passive. And if he knows we are about to go all in, he sets up the wall to burn half our combos and keeps him safe for a second, but once the wall dissipates he’s vulnerable because he has no passive. That’s all I can think of that might make it fun on both sides. I don’t know if that will work in practice though.
I've heard the resource idea mentioned before as well, and I like that a lot too! I'm definitely in favor of making wind-wall cost him his passive. It would also give a good way to move his mechanics around a bit. The crit could stay on the passive and then the flow passive and it's shield could be moved to the wind wall ability. It would even be more cohesive that way IMO.
Mandalorian 1171 votesI like that. Instead of a 2 part passive, the W is a trade ability. Either use the passive for straight up 1v1 fights, or use the active to disengage, resist poke, or during team fights.
Another thing is that even if someone is nerfed into the ground, die hard fans who love the champion and play styles will still use them. Why do you think Mordekaiser still has players? Bringing someone to low tier then slowly buffing them to be in a better position is better than nothing. Like Camille. She was pretty busted on release, then she got gutted, but now she’s doing well without being a massive pain. Still annoying, but not op imo.
HalcyonDweller2 votesThanks!
[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
Mandalorian 1172 votesAnytime. It’s good to have a civilized conversation with someone about game balance and riot’s current state. I don’t support everything they’ve done, but they get way more crap than they deserve.
Ifneth3 votes[{quoted}](name=Mandalorian 117,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=2zieqrtg,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-01-31T19:30:45.536+0000)
It just seems stupid. If riot didn’t care about their game and champions, why keep updating it so frequently?
Yeah, really.
Also, this topic brings something up. We need to banish the ‘low-key’ toxicity that’s on this forum. Even defining the stuff is hard without including plenty of innocent behavior, but unless we make the effort to do it, the boards will constantly have a slimey and nasty feel to them.
Here are some common things I’ve seen:
Echo chamber threads. The original poster writes a heated, harsh, one-sided argument that is really about venting rather than persuading, and the replies to the thread just pile on, validating themselves and shutting out whoever disagrees. Reasonable arguments are ignored, downvoted, or met with hostility.
Orcs. Think of them as lesser trolls. They never quite break the rules, but they never quite uphold them, either. Passive aggression, snide remarks, bitter and cynical sarcasm pervade their posts. This is not a person you want in your thread.
Salt. Accusations and punishment-complaints in Player Behavior. Remarks about teammates holding people back, allegations that the matchmaker deliberately gives you worse teammates, etc. There are many examples, but this stuff must go.
Elo shaming. Calling someone “trash” or “bad” just because they’re not above a certain rank. Making rude remarks about balancing (or not) for certain rankings. The ‘git gud’ style of argument can fall into this bucket as well.
We need a better report system for the forums. It needs to be more than a little drop-down with four options and no feedback. Make it like the Instant Feedback Report system.
HalcyonDweller2 votesI'm with you on this, these are definitely problematic habits that some people have when they are using the boards, and they really hurt the boards' viability as a discussion forum.
heroikc1 votes[{quoted}](name=Mandalorian 117,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=2zieqrtg,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-01-31T19:30:45.536+0000)
It just seems stupid. If riot didn’t care about their game and champions, why keep updating it so frequently?
Three big reasons: One, to keep it fresh and interesting given it's been around for about 8 years, which is, overall, impressive for a multiplayer game; two, to balance it in response to these big changes (new champions, new modes, champion and mechanic reworks) so people won't be OP or miserable; and three, to deal with bugs and glitches that appear on occasion. Quick-Edit: Why? Profit.
Mandalorian 1171 votesThey still put quite a bit of time and effort into these changes and characters, whether they are balanced or not is debatable, but they at least some of them have to care about the state of the game. Really a company exists for profit. They can’t do all this out of the kindness of their hearts. They need money to keep the game going. I know that’s the best argument, but it looks like they do a bit better listening to us than some companies out there.
lendary2002 votesGenerally I agree with you and I think there is a lot of anger with the new system that is now in place. More than 1% hate it that is for sure, but we won't get anywhere by calling lol corrupt every time we dislike something. We need real points with a basis behind them if we wish to start a logical discussion.
Oxyrotten1 votesNo.
Riot is corrupt and would never allow us to do away with it.
:P
HalcyonDweller2 votesFunny
[sg-miss-fortune]
The Ecdysiast1 votesThey're corrupt because that's the nature of business. They will not fix champions that sell skins.
And it doesn't fall under any report category. While yours is harassment of any such poster.
HalcyonDweller1 votesThey're corrupt because that's the nature of business. They will not fix champions that sell skins.
Alright that's a fair opinion to hold, I personally think it falls under bias more than anything else, but to each their own.
And it doesn't fall under any report category. While yours is harassment of any such poster.
Aww, dude you had to make it personal? I didn't name names or link links. Piss off.
The Ecdysiast1 votesThe opinion is whether or not that makes them corrupt, and despite what I said I actually don't agree that it does. It's just business.
And I didn't make it personal. Just letting you know that false-reporting such threads is against the rules.
HalcyonDweller2 votesDuly noted. Thanks.
BornInToxness1 votesCertainly stretching the call for action and generalizing the matter, I think. If the comment or post is a meaningless shitpost with no supporting argument or entirely irrelevant to the discussion, then sure - I think we can entertain this discussion. But when these opinions are voiced with reasonable rationale and it's relevant to some discussion, I think this notion is borderline childish. The suppression of dissenting and unpopular opinions that are voiced respectfully because you fundamentally disagree is simply silly. Now, I wouldn't necessarily say they are corrupt by nature, but I might say they can be incredibly incompetent and negligent in various departments. I won't go into those details here because that is beyond the scope of this discussion, but there are plenty of well-reasoned arguments for these opinions.
Dracocrash1 votesThe best one is when people call riot corrupt for not giving them more free stuff via the hextech crafting system,