Tell Yourself How Lucky We Are

Gigglebytes··64 votes·9,508 views

Hello, this is your friendly Gigglebytes here to tell you about how lucky the players of League of Legends are! If somebody on their first day of the boards came and took a look at the top threads they would see a lot of negativity, and if they looked every day they would see a lot of negativity come up every day. Guys, we've been spoiled. Do you realize how many boards have members of the company that look and comment on the boards nearly EVERY DAY? Next to none would be your answer. Do you know why? Because when people are satisfied they tend to think that nothing else needs to be said, but when people are unsatisfied they raise all sorts of hell. Not many companies have the patience to deal with that! How lucky are we, right? Furthermore, the boards community does not represent the community as a whole! I have many friends that play League and I am the only one who spends time on the boards. I would guesstimate that a small percentage of the community is actually on the boards, not to mention that we are not the only board for this game! Riot has so many other boards to take care of too! Lastly, I want to point out that people are more inclined to listen to what you are saying if you are not rude. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they had a friggin drinking game over how many times Riot is accused of showing favoritism towards a champion. Please, this is not the way to communicate your emotions. Remember, in an argument using "I" statements (I.E. "I feel as if the moveset of Lee Sin makes it comparatively hard for me to jungle effectively with other junglers.") and not "You" statements (I.E. You overloaded Lee Sin's kit to make it completely unfair!") both statements attempt to communicate the same message but using "I" statements make it sound so much less accusatory. Please make an effort to remind yourself that we are one lucky community to have a company that pays as much attention as Riot.

TL; DR: Guys, many gamers would give their left arm to have their game company communicate as much as Riot does, so try to be kind when making a thread.

Thanks, Gigglebytes

EDIT: The drinking game was a joke :p

50 Comments

RiotRiot Renders31 votes

Well, let me tell you all how lucky we are to have the support we do from the community. It's pretty insane. Whether it's negative or positive feedback, the whole goal is to focus on the players and delivering the best experience possible. Sometimes we fall short, but any failure is a springboard for success - and you guys and girls help drive the future of the game.

We wouldn't be here without you all. So really all I can say is thanks. Both for the comment, and for being passionate about the game - much as we are.

[EDIT] PSA: don't try the complaint drinking game. [EDIT 2] To touch a little more on the other parts of OP's comment - negative feedback is okay. In fact it's encouraged. Tone and phrasing is always important, and approachable constructive criticism is obviously preferred over troll fodder. However, the main point is that every negative comment has a story behind it, and an identifiable problem that can be researched and addressed. Those stories and experiences are important. So the short of the long of it: keep the feedback coming!

McAllister1 votes

It was a little twee, but I upvoted anyway.

Toa of Death3 votes

[EDIT] PSA: don't try the complaint drinking game.

have...have you actually done it?

rinsujo1 votes

Easiest way to find out would be to look for cases of Alcohol Poisoning near San Francisco. Every time it spikes, somebody at riot suggested the drinking game.

Gigglebytes1 votes

I agree with edit 2, my main point was to keep it constructive.

RiotRiot Renders3 votes

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I agree with edit 2, my main point was to keep it constructive.

I think you brought up some good points for constructive discussion. My comment was more to reinforce that idea :)

AwesomeChad1 votes

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Well, let me tell you all how lucky we are to have the support we do from the community. It's pretty insane. Whether it's negative or positive feedback, the whole goal is to focus on the players and delivering the best experience possible. Sometimes we fall short, but any failure is a springboard for success - and you guys and girls help drive the future of the game.

We wouldn't be here without you all. So really all I can say is thanks. Both for the comment, and for being passionate about the game - much as we are.

[EDIT] PSA: don't try the complaint drinking game. [EDIT 2] To touch a little more on the other parts of OP's comment - negative feedback is okay. In fact it's encouraged. Tone and phrasing is always important, and approachable constructive criticism is obviously preferred over troll fodder. However, the main point is that every negative comment has a story behind it, and an identifiable problem that can be researched and addressed. Those stories and experiences are important. So the short of the long of it: keep the feedback coming!

you guys handle the negative comments very well because you understand that criticism is all part of improving the player experience. Thank you for dealing with us, Riot.

Sinlaire15 votes
  1. Buy a bottle of crown
  2. put it on your desk next to you computer
  3. take a shot every time anyone says Lee/J4/Vi are OP/need to be nerfed
  4. forget what sober ever was
  5. ???
  6. obviously you profit

also. based on 1 post up i've already started. catch up fellas.

BetaDude404 votes

If we're going to play that game, we may as well substitute Crown with Bleach. It's going to give the same effect after ~6 threads anyway...

Remlap122317 votes

You forgot Sona is over nerfed, Stashu ruined Cassiopeia, Kalista and Rek'Sai are cancer, tanks are worthless, RIP DFG, LCS big plays... Ok I'll stop now. You're probably dead from alcohol poisoning already.

Ptarlorr4 votes

I think all those complaints pale in comparison to the demand for URF. And Lee Sin also being cancer.

Remlap12231 votes

I was literally just thinking off of the top of my head. Those two were literally next, but too obvious.

Ptarlorr3 votes

so obvious the other guy already commented on lee.

woops my bad.

Decrit8 votes

Upvoting, going to have a son, wait 9 months, going to make him/her upvote this the soonest possible( because i don' t spam upvotes).

Sometimes it leaves me speechless how much whining there is in the forums: every detail, every misstep is magnified and used as accusatory weapon to someone, while the truth is far from it. Sure, sometimes a wrong is done and in the case the reds always interact in a polite way, tanking all the **** they throw at them. But well, the rage exhaustion is always the short-handed solution to everything...

Klatn Yelox3 votes

Seriously, who is downvoting these people?

Ariaflux3 votes

Entitled whiners.

Decaedeus6 votes

Agreed, good sir.

As a primarily F2P MMORPG gamer, I've seen tons of game companies, and I can definitively say that Riot is among the cream of the crop, if not the best one out there. Not going to name names here, but most game companies don't even know their forums exist, and they ignore support tickets.

Meanwhile, Riot will give free skins to positive players, has instituted a proper ban system, and one of my friends told me Riot coughed up 2 RP when he was at 1298.

Riot gets a lot of flak for balance designs, but, in the end, they probably care about this game more than we do. They at least listen to the community. If it were (again, not naming names) directing League, I don't think they would even bother to listen to the community and respond to suggestions. At least Riot TRIES to rectify poor balance decisions and attempts to appease the community.

Kudos to Rito Games for being extremely engaged and in-touch. Give them a hand, ladies and gentlemen.

Dankplank4201 votes

Compared to the other major MOBAs on the market (Dota and Smite) Riot has the worst track record of giving back to its community. Almost nothing is given away that is RP only usually, the Mystery Gift was the first really free thing I've gotten in 4 years of playing, while in Smite I've gotten probably 20 dollars of their RP equivalent just by playing for a few months, and the ability to actually earn their cash currency. Dota is the same situation, and has the huge backing of the Steam Marketplace and a drop system for their game. I have never felt appreciated for being a League player like I have for the other games. League of Legends is the biggest MOBA around, and they don't have to really care about us.

I do agree on the communication front however, and other companies could learn from Riot in talking to the community. Long-time players can definitely point out the deterioration of this though, and the unfortunate side effects of becoming huge.

Give credit where credit is due, but don't ignore the flaws, Riot is not perfect.

Decaedeus3 votes

Yeah, I didn't say Riot was the most generous company ever, I said that they gave out free stuff, which is more than 90% of game companies can claim to do.

Also, they're not P2W. Unlike Nexon, PWE, Tencent (Riot's parent company) ugh. Oh look. You're out of "stamina" for today, can't play a game. Um... Here you can buy a stamina pot! Pay for these SUPER OP RUNES that give you double the stats. Or you can buy extra rune slots for RP!

Be grateful. Yes, Riot isn't perfect. Yes, some of their balance decisions are pretty crappy (at least, in my opinion). But they're definitely better than essentially everyone else.

blueberrypancake5 votes

#firstworldproblems

OMG Zed and Lee sin is so fucking op (sarcasm)

One of the best discussions I've ever read, nobody really considers how amazing having someone from the actual game company respond to your discussion really is.

#firstpersonpronounsarenice

Klatn Yelox1 votes

Who the hell downvotes this? Its a good post confirm his agreement with OP (Although I don't understand this)

firstpersonpronounsarenice

I feel like I either don't know that last word (which would surprise and thrill me) or that the poster just misspelled something, although I can't think of any word similar to that.

BoogerQ1 votes

First Person Pronouns Are Nice.

Klatn Yelox1 votes

Oh lol, I didn't think of the last few words there as separate. Looked like "First Person Pro Noun Sarenice" and I was confused.

I Kill Commies4 votes

I absolutely hate these boards now due to the amount of complaining about game balance. Old GD was a storm of shit posts but at least it was pretty obvious that most of them were not serious. These boards are full of complaint after complaint, and as long as you have a big wall of text with proper grammar and a few charts you automatically get 100 upvotes from the sheep here. It's not hard to see. Go take a look at every "Nerf x champ/game concept" thread. I literally cannot fathom what goes through some of these people's heads.

For example, I see "nerf lee sin" threads talking about how "lee sin dominates every game" and "lee sin makes all other jungle picks unviable", yet these threads were made by silver and gold players. If you are in silver or gold, I guarantee that you have never, ever seen a lee sin played well. If you have, it was by a smurf. Every lee sin at that level is incapable of playing the champ. When I see lee sin locked in on the enemy team (I'm gold) I just think "hey, free win", and most of the time it is. The majority of people on the forums are complaining just for the sake of complaining. Every front page thread in the gameplay & balance section is just people whining about stuff they don't even care about.

It's a clear pattern that has been going on for years. People here whine about any champ that the pros play. Piss and moan until Riot nerfs the champ. Then get mad because there isn't much diversity in LCS. You people don't want diversity. If you wanted diversity you wouldn't bitch about every single champ that is actually picked. All you want is something to complain about because you think it makes you look intelligent to have a wall of text talking about how lee sin is "ruining" your game experience.

And then the circle-jerking really starts with posts like "If Riot really cares about diversity we'll get a response to this thread". "Wow Riot ignoring this thread with 200 upvotes. They don't want to nerf zed because of LC$ Big plays". People spend all their energy bitching at Riot about stuff that doesn't even matter, and then get mad when Riot doesn't immediately respond to their thread full of "genius" ideas for instantly balancing the game. You plebs who constantly complain about balance and diversity think you could do a better job balancing league? Think you could figure out a way to make all 100+ champs and however many items all fit together in perfect harmony? No? Then STFU and quit being 4 yr old cry babies.

I used to love GD because I thought the community was hilarious and funny, and honestly liked the trolls. Now, every time I scroll down the forums my blood curdles, because all I see are whiny piss-babies complaining about what color the sky is, and the other idiots on here actually upvote them.

TL;DR: People who constantly complain about champ balance can just STFU and let Riot work. You are not helping the situation by being whiny scumbags fishing for upvotes. Riot does a pretty good job balancing league, and league is a great game. If you hate league so much that you have to spend time typing a wall of text complaining about one fucking champ, please just leave.

Derpy Mike1 votes

Do you feel better now?

Gigglebytes2 votes

I think that you bring up good points in this post, points that I really agree with. But I feel as if you missed the part in my thread where I talk about "I" and "you" statements. I really like what you're saying but I'd enjoy it if was a bit kinder.

Damorion2151 votes

I'd leave, but it's too much fun sticking around and waiting to see if and when Lyte, Morello or some other Rioter flies off the handle at one of us complaining about something like this. Seriously though, I think plenty of us, especially those from Season 1, have been nice enough already, especially when we've tried to give out the most helpful advice at times and they go completely ignored. A lot of this stuff does matter, because if it didn't, most of us wouldn't be complaining. Perhaps you're just lucky in the games you're in when there's a Lee Sin on the enemy team, because if you'd notice, that enemy Lee Sin is most likely not being played by one of the pros. So again, these "complaints" are serious issues that Riot refuses to respond to, positive or negative. It's obvious you're a troll if you think that Riot does a good job at balancing. Case in point, if you hate the boards so much, then don't go on them complaining about "complaints" made by other players. Instead, just leave.

I Kill Commies1 votes

Damn so let's here your genius ideas about how to balance the game. Please tell us more about how you are more capable of managing the largest PC game in the world than the people who made it. I'd like to see your degrees in game design, computer science and statistics (which is a big part of how balancing is done). Go on, show Riot just how much qualification you have to be giving them advice.

Damorion2151 votes

I'm speaking on behalf of those players (such as Keira Helsh (check out her comment about Kassadin on the recent 5.3 Patch Notes)) who are much more efficient in knowing how to balance champs. That and I can tell when Riot has fucked up on certain champs, such as Kassadin and Sona, when I don't see those champs as often as I have in previous seasons. So when it comes to showing qualification, us players don't need to show much when Riot is failing to do so themselves. You want to hear my most genius idea on how to balance the game? Here's one: Listen to and work with the fuckin' players that make your game possible!

I Kill Commies1 votes

There's a saying that goes: When users have a problem, they're usually right. When users have a solution, they're usually wrong.

It's very easy to point out where Riot has failed. It's a different story to actually know how to fix it. Most of the ideas that people propose for "fixing the game" would just break the game even more. Do you really want mob mentality from these forums determining game balance? I sure as hell don't.

Damorion2151 votes

There's a saying that goes: Most people don't care about sayings. They care about facts.

All "sayings" aside, exactly how would you know that most of the ideas would break the game when some ideas might actually be worth trying out? Honestly, I think there's already starting to be a mob mentality on the forums because Riot doesn't even respond to those. I know they can't check every thread on the forums here, but you'd think that after 5 seasons that they'd have enough employees, at least a team specialized to the forums and at least one other area of Riot, to come on here and say something, whether it's a band-aided statement or not.

Gigglebytes3 votes

Nobody has pointed this out yet so, surprise! The title of the post is based on this song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kq7l2RRVrs

I love Broadway!

SulkingRaccoon1 votes

Yes! I've played Seussical before and that song is what I first thought of when I saw this post. I didn't want to say anything, tho, because I wasn't sure. XD

Gigglebytes1 votes

Ding ding ding! You win! I found my favorite comment! (Sorry, Pheonyx)

PaladinNO2 votes

Well, there seems to be a difference regarding the amount of reponse from Riot depending on which server one recides on...

I wrote my opinion in one of the news threads on EUNE, and it seems there were little opposition to it. http://eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/refer-friend-update-now-live

So my apologies for not taking your comment entirely as truth, Gigglebytes.

Gigglebytes1 votes

Even though they may not be as responsive on the other region's boards, they still probably take time to take a look at the boards, which was my point.

Envy Sin2 votes
  • Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they had a friggin drinking game over how many times Riot is accused of showing favoritism towards a champion.*

I'll just leave this here. LeeSin

Rew7111 votes

I'll start.

Thank you, Riot, for giving me Udyr. He was my first champion. I thank you for giving him above all others the second and possibly (to me) the best so far ultimate skin.

Next, I want to thank you for Graves. He was the first champion way back in the day I had fun with. I thank you for the day he went down to 4800 IP so I could buy him. I also thank you for his visual upgrade to his splash.

Also, I want to thank you for Teemo. He's not evil, he's just misunderstood is all.

Lastly, I will thank you for Gnar because he's so adorable and fun.

Klatn Yelox1 votes

I will continue.

Thank you Riot, for giving me Heimerdinger. He was my first main, and although I don't play him as often anymore, he definitely kept me into this game before I hit 30.

Thank you Riot for giving me Orianna. She is my current main, and by far my favorite champion. Her combination of not-too-much utility, not-too-much damage, and low skill minimum but high skill cap makes her one of the most rewarding and fun champs to play as, and gives her players the knowledge that she isn't a high priority to nerf anytime soon, and lets those of us who play her free to have fun with it.

Thank you Riot for giving me DrMundo. He was the first tank I ever played, and remains my favorite for his low profile early game potential to win trades, and the poke required to keep his advantage. The combo of passive trade DOT, a large slow, and turn around power makes him fun to play regardless of your lane opponent.

Thank you Riot for giving me Caitlyn. She is my favorite ADC, and her combination of range, decent base attack damage, high damage passive, and high damage skill gives her the ability to poke from afar, and have a reasonable burst ready for rainy days. The burst is on a long cooldown, and her attack speed is slow enough that she has clearly defined windows of vulnerability, while her short mobility spell is enough to let minor mistakes slide, but not enough for huge mistakes in positioning to go unpunished. She has a low skill cap with her easy farming and poke, but the the skill needed to achieve her best plays is higher than most champions I have seen.

And Riot, thank you for not listening to requests for RP bonuses to positive players, but throwing us that bone with the free mystery skin for positive players.

Sinlaire1 votes

Jesus. next time i play this game i either need to bring a friend or start on a bottle that isn't new.

be back in a bit. time to get my stomach pumped.

Major Sparkles1 votes

Threads like this need more attention. Unfortunately negativity is more contagious then positivity. So the "Riot hates us," and the Kalista, Zed, Lee, J4, Vi OP threads will continue. +1

Wullf1 votes

Lee still has too wide skill cap though.

Klatn Yelox1 votes

Wide skill caps are good. But Lee Sin's skill floor is quite high. Higher than most champs with high skill floors.

Wullf1 votes

As i see it. Floor is not problem. The roof is.

We could call it that he has quite a high skill offset

Klatn Yelox1 votes

So what you mean is that when a champion is able to make better plays, and be more effective the more skill its player has is a bad thing? You don't think it is healthy for the game to have champions with kits that have extremely high potential, but extreme skill needed to use it?

I am not trying to ridicule you, but to make sure I understand.

Wullf1 votes

What I mean is that even though It is cool to have champions that can do a lot when played by skilled player, it is problem when you have all other champions that can do much less with as much skilled players.

So it is not healthy.

But it would be healthy if these champions risked a lot when doing "the plays" which, I believe, is not Lee's case, as even riot acnowledged. (I thing they said that "He is very forgiving").

I would love to have league with "high skill high reward" champs but if there is just few amidst many not so rewarding champs, it cannot work. At least thats what I think.

Solaxo1 votes

Riot communicates much less than they used to. And they stopped listening as much

jQuery1 votes

I have many friends that play League and I am the only one who spends time on the boards. I would guesstimate that a small percentage of the community is actually on the boards...

I think same goes for Rioters, I dont think that they are obligated to respond, yet they do on their most visited network, weather that is the boards or tweeter....

DEMAGLIOOOOOOOOO1 votes

the drinking game was a joke in fact then, albeit a bad one perhaps ^^ (im sorry i didnt mean to hurt your feelings =( )

Gigglebytes1 votes

Ah no don't worry about that, no feelings were hurt, I actually though it was funny that that was what people focused on.

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