Counter Jungling?

Earthpine·Aug 31, 2015·1 votes·605 views

I was thinking about the item and how I never use it since I'm to worried that the enemy jungler might be able to defeat me or his team coming to help when I try to counter jungle. Of course the counter is having good map awareness, but I'm to afraid of just being beaten up by the jungler :/ Any useful champions for counter jungling? I would like to try to use Poacher's Knife but I have no reason to. My junglers are and . Obviously someone like Rammus can't counter jungle but the others? I would like some help please ^^

9 Comments

Miror BAug 31, 20151 votes

While any jungler can be a good counter one (as a few well placed wards can ease prediction), Kha post-lv6's counter jungling is pretty insane due to how many things he has for it. His Q does tons of damage to isolated targets even after the nerfs, and his ability to come in to the enemy jungle nearly-undetected makes warding against him kinda difficult.

EarthpineAug 31, 20151 votes

The thing is, I have no idea when to counter jungle either. Do I do it at their first buff? Whenever I want to farm? Should I even get Poacher's Knife? Is it worth it in the end?

Miror BSep 1, 20151 votes

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The thing is, I have no idea when to counter jungle either. Do I do it at their first buff? Whenever I want to farm? Should I even get Poacher's Knife? Is it worth it in the end?

This is where warding becomes very useful. If your support is smart (which, I know, is a rarity nowadays), they'll use one of their 3 free sightstone wards on the enemy blue buff to try and ease prediction as to where they are. As for actual "good" counter jungling, you want to try and force a situation in which you can walk into one quadrant/steal the camps there while the other side of the map has zoning pressure (like hitting their top-side jungle when the lanes are pushed out mid/bottom, or hitting their bot-side jungle when the lanes are pushed out top/mid). Never use poacher's knife, because it sucks compared to everything else. If you're super curious about how to do it really well, try to find a few of Coast's games from the challenger series (Shrimp did it quite a bit, often getting a huge CS/gold lead before people even got their first/second items).

EarthpineSep 1, 20151 votes

I see, so do it when my lanes (top/bot/mid) are pushed and go to the opposite side to counter jungle? Seems simple now that I think about it. Thanks!

Miror BSep 1, 20151 votes

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I see, so do it when my lanes (top/bot/mid) are pushed and go to the opposite side to counter jungle? Seems simple now that I think about it. Thanks!

Kinda. When those lanes are pushed out, it "should" (I use this word very loosely as some junglers are just complete idiots when it comes to this) make it look very appetizing/gankable, thus drawing the jungler out there for a potential pick off. Doing so leaves the opposite side open.

EarthpineSep 1, 20151 votes

But wouldn't it be better if I was there to help my lane?

Sona PingSep 1, 20151 votes

The things is there are two real problems with Poacher's Knife. The first is that after they finished tweaking benefits and shipped all the items to live, the others are just flat out better. They have distinct benefits while Poacher's only works in the enemy jungle and further, the others work for counter-jungling as well. (There's also that it telegraphs your intentions which some consider important, so you can count that as Problem 3, if you want). The other problem is that counter-jungling isn't a strategy, or at least not in any time recent. Counter-jungling is an opportunistic action, something done when the jungler can do it, and frequently, when there isn't something better to be doing. It's not really a strategy, not like how farming a devourer or simply item 3706 ganking is.

EarthpineSep 1, 20151 votes

So never get Poacher's Knife, just get the other ones instead. Ok, thank you!

blkKalameetSep 3, 20151 votes

Only ever take potchers knife if you want to play nunu and just take away There jungle.

Build sightstone, mo-boots, deadmans plate, and if you want to be super safe pick up twin shadows too.

Clear out as much of there jungle when you can, making sure to ward it up nicely. Make sure you clear your jungle too so they cant just switch with you.

You will be taking so much farm from them they will fall off in power, and the wards will help your lanes avoid them so they cant catch up with kills. Keep building tank and and utility and be sure to help lanes when you can.