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help me improve as an adc

Alientcp·11/4/2014, 6:00:25 PM·4 votes·1,381 views

Hi guys, i climbed my way up to gold by jungling mostly, but now i just switched to adc about 2 weeks ago and im having some problems.

I tried a couple adc's, but i feel more comfortable with sivir, so lets start here.

Obviously i dont win every single lane, but i have been consistent, im reaching about 100~i minions by minute 15, , usually take the first tower by 80 minion mark and we secure first dragon, while getting some 30-40 minion lead in the process while having about same k/d ratio than the opposing adc. So in most of my games i get a decent advantage around lvl 8-12.

And this is where the problem lies, let me explain the worse case scenario here. I cant add too much pressure to second tower due to enemy jungler/mid keeping tabs on it and my team not following up. If i force it, will get ganked and lose the small advantage i have.

They have good stalling champs on mid/top, usually cant take the tower fast, but even if we manage to do so, we got stopped in next tower for a long time.

During this time i lose a lot of farming time, and my advantage gets thinner every single minute the game goes on, resulting in very long and unfortunately about even games where the one who score an ace first wins. I want this to stop, i want to learn how can i snowball, to get further ahead and win games in under 30 minutes.

7 Comments

OhBoyItsaMegaman11/4/2014, 8:48:52 PM4 votes

And this is where the problem lies, let me explain the worse case scenario here. I cant add too much pressure to second tower due to enemy jungler/mid keeping tabs on it and my team not following up. If i force it, will get ganked and lose the small advantage i have.

This jumped out at me as a problem. The Inner Bot tower isn't really your responsibility. After towers begin to fall, you have to play the whole map. You really do not want to linger in bot pushing for the 2nd tower unless that's what makes sense. It will usually be better for you to push out that bot lane and then roam to mid and group up to take that down, or group for dragon. On the other hand, if you are stronger than the enemy bot (which you probably are if you took their tower first), you can freeze the incoming wave near your tower and deny it from them. This forces their bot to overextend and risk fighting you, or steal jungle farm, or roam to mid where your whole team can collapse on them.

Absolutely don't continue to push to 2nd tower and try to damage that with just your support for backup as if it's still the laning phase, unless your team is creating a ton of pressure in top and mid at the same time to ensure that the jungler is being drawn all over the map.

StOrmysLIVE11/4/2014, 9:47:04 PM3 votes

add my username stormysbigsword and i'll spectate a game or so.

also if you plan on freezing the lane, if their bot decides to group up mid, you should stop freezing, shove the lane as hard as you can, and then go mid. Your goal with cs is always to have more than the enemy/prevent them from cs, not as much "most cs in the game".

One thing I notice that I do that most people don't, is they B too fast. Even if I have no mana, if I have health, I look around for other sh*t I can take- if theres 5 people bot and you are alone top, it means you can free farm/take turrets, even if you only have 100 health. If the whole enemy team just went back, you can farm your own jungle before you back. Just because you have 2000 gold to spend, does not mean you have to spend it immediately if you can increase it just a little bit more. If you look at my stats, you'll see my average cs score is in the 200+ range, and its because I make more efficient use of my time by refraining to back at every chance I get.

Fnatic Jhin11/4/2014, 11:31:07 PM1 votes

Ward or call for counter gank.

Venompaw11/5/2014, 12:27:35 AM1 votes

Only take the tower if you plan to roam. else let the lane remain. Pushing towards the second tower is about the worst thing you can possibly do. Go take dragon, farm jungle .,etc.

MattAkhavan11/5/2014, 12:28:26 AM1 votes

After you take tower all you have to do it shove bot, and go mid.

When you shove bot it forces their bot lane to either take the farm mid or defend bot. if the support comes to defend mid you should try to get a few hits on it and go back bottom to shove the wave out again and rotate mid again. rinse and repeat until you have all 3 outer towers and dragons etc.

Key notes:

If AD comes mid to protect 4v4 then bot lane 2ndary turret takes damage. rinse and repeat and the tower will fall AND you are stronger than their ad to you will win a 4v4 If AD stays bottom you have pressure mid and can do some good damage before things get hairy if support and ad stay bottom free mid turret If you are pushing the secondary tower you will likely die due to collapse, unless your team has so much pressure on their lanes that the jungler and mid cannot rotate bottom. you need some sick ward control of bottom enemy jungle

I do not reccomend freezing lane because

big wave of minions do a ton of damage if you duel
your team is 4v3 somewhere else on the map.

solo que players will always take farm if it's available. If you want to know where the enemy is push a lane out and they will show.

AwesomeChad11/6/2014, 3:24:22 AM1 votes

Instead of pressuring their 2nd turret, you should rotate to either mid or top and take out those 1st tier outer turrets first. They're much easier to take down than a 2nd tier turret when u have to deal with constant pressure from the enemy jungler and mid lane. You can also rotate to dragon and take it with your allies as well. You have other options rather than to stay bot and not get that 2nd outer turret. The easiest way to snowball the game is through objectives. Take more objectives and your team gets so much global gold and extra experience.

Also, you might consider not taking out the enemy turret so quickly and instead, freeze the lane and deny the enemy ADC cs during laning phase. Thats the easiest way to snowball an advantage for yourself and denying the enemy bot lane at the same time.