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this is the reason people lose 100% of the time

Lucent Rengar··31 votes·2,855 views

because you rely on other people. you gotta do things yourself.

people always bitch about support not warding. tf?! im pretty sure you can buy wards at the store. i mean fuck, rito gives you one for free. . ever seen an lcs game? EVERYONE buys wards, not just support.

mid lane didn't call mia? how about you're more aware and ward more? obviously if someone leave the map they're only doing 1 of two things. Recalling, or ganking.

focus on what YOU CAN CONTROL, not on your "shit jungler" or your "noob mid".

dont focus on things out of your control, like enemy jgler camping, bot feeding, etc etc. focus what options you have in order to help out your team mates.

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Drunk Rummate22 votes

I thought I was losing because my Nexus exploded.

Lucent Rengar20 votes

no, you lose then it explodes. think about it.

Anidan11 votes

So what you're telling me is my Nexus is a fucking quitter.

I knew he had it in for me. Dude never says a thing, then when the pressure is on him he just explodes and leaves.

Xonra4 votes

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So what you're telling me is my Nexus is a fucking quitter.

I knew he had it in for me. Dude never says a thing, then when the pressure is on him he just explodes and leaves.

Okay...this made me laugh. "Report Nexus for afk and not communicating"

Downfall1 votes

This is so perfect

Chaotic Reks6 votes

i keep dying only because i run out of heath

LaowPing4 votes

PREACH!!!!!!

I have a motto I learned from trick2g: "Every loss is your fault." People worry too much about what other people could have done. You cant change your team mates but you can change yourself. If you didn't do the very best you can then you have something you could be working on. I hate when people get mad that someone roamed and killed them. What if that was the jungler? Basically, you had no wards and you simply didn't think anyone would come to your lane to kill you for about 15 minutes until the lanning phase is over? Sure, your team mates have problems but so do you. If your team isn't reliable then do things yourself. It's called solo que for a reason.

Flagrock7 votes

Tbh though, Trick2g plays some really really trollish champ and then people try to emulate him and fail so hard. Although he can sometimes pull it off, the many terrible picks he has done that have cost me games simply makes me hate his picks due to every idiot grabs a feral flare udyr and never leaves the jungle and loses the game, or the ap udyr fails where they do nothing... so a lot of the losses are due to simply playing champions in poor ways...

However, it is true every loss you could improve and do better. On the flip side, you literally cannot do EVERYTHING in a game since you are limited to 3 wards (I hit my cap almost every game) and you cannot be a tank-fighter-ADC-mage-assassin... even Lee Sin can't pull that off anymore. So saying that it's always their fault isn't entirely true, but if you want to climb you just have to fix your own play.

arcinex4 votes

[{quoted}](name=supa gogeta,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=fAFpfGcy,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-07-07T09:11:47.226+0000) support not warding.

mid lane didn't call mia

shit jungler; noob mid

bot feeding, etc etc.

For anyone who needs a tl;dr. This is what OP is basically saying ^

ZergReap3 votes

Yup you gotta do it yourself if you want it done right. Except sometimes people take the mentality to an extreme where they feel like they absolutely have to 1v5 and do everything yourself. Team mates are tools at your disposal. Sometimes your tool is a fed mid Viktor who can carry you if you play around him or your 1-10 Hecarim top who you just need to engage and distract / buy time in a team fight for you to carry. I always make suggestions to my team (never tell someone exactly what to do imo) like "locket would be really good this game" or "we need an upgraded sweeper for Vayne." If someone is feeding or playing terribly the last thing you want to do is remind them about it with a unnecessary comment. The best thing to do is to just keep playing and say nothing. Your team will notice when you are focused and in it to win it. For example, last game my team was bickering about the enemy fed Ryze. As they were re spawning I was doing scuddle. "drag 30 we can get it" I said and dropped a pink ward in river, as an ADC. After that the focus of my team was changed from what went wrong early game to what should we do next.

Tyren1 votes

Exactly this. I was playing Shen top in team builder last night, enemy team decided to invade bot side jungle. I wondered down there picked up 3 assists, we came out ahead 4 kills to there 3. I look to see you got their kills, all where Lee Sin, my lane opponent. I played safe, he managed to get me once (due to my error) and get a few kills in other lanes too. But I farmed the best I could and helped in has many fights I could with ulti and TP.

They had a fed Lee, I lost lane, but still managed to snowball our mid and adc. I even ulti'd our jung because he was getting 1 v 2'd while he was trying to ward the dragon.

No one complained about Lee being fed early and me losing my lane. I still did pretty well going 7/5/29 and helping with most objectives. Mean while the Lee ended up 10/10/5 and not assisting in anything other than kills and trying to split push.

To be honest I don't think the enemy team realized that Shen has tons of global pressure with ulti and TP.

3tyson1 votes

yep when i see my top overextend i know hes getting ganked i ping him back or camp him or both hes not warding wel il just ward it myself i mean its not like you can carry everything

and sure i would have loved to use my ward to ward the enemys blue like i planned to but since one of my team mates is being an idiot il be way better of warding him and denying the enemy a kill than getting his blue

Hyrum Graff2 votes

{quoted}

Yup you gotta do it yourself if you want it done right. Except sometimes people take the mentality to an extreme where they feel like they absolutely have to 1v5 and do everything yourself. Team mates are tools at your disposal. Sometimes your tool is a fed mid Viktor who can carry you if you play around him or your 1-10 Hecarim top who you just need to engage and distract / buy time in a team fight for you to carry. I always make suggestions to my team (never tell someone exactly what to do imo) like "locket would be really good this game" or "we need an upgraded sweeper for Vayne." If someone is feeding or playing terribly the last thing you want to do is remind them about it with a unnecessary comment. The best thing to do is to just keep playing and say nothing. Your team will notice when you are focused and in it to win it. For example, last game my team was bickering about the enemy fed Ryze. As they were re spawning I was doing scuddle. "drag 30 we can get it" I said and dropped a pink ward in river, as an ADC. After that the focus of my team was changed from what went wrong early game to what should we do next.

Leading your team members is something you can do yourself. You're top and notice enemy mid is Mia? Ping it for them. Enemy team going drag when you're taking their mid tower? Ping team to come help you. Etc.

Pings are way more effective than chat, imo.

ZergReap1 votes

Pings are pretty basic, I'd assume anyone playing seriously would already have them down. Enemies are missing x3, be careful ping along the path I think they took to gank or on my away and target when you want to engage. You can't ping "no summs bot" or "tri bush is warded".

Hyrum Graff1 votes

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I'd assume

Assumptions can be dangerous.

You can't ping "no summs bot"

True. I usually ping help followed by "no sums bot".

or "tri bush is warded".

Back ping followed by "warded.

The point here is that it's really minimal chat. Rarely is something like "I need you to create map pressure bot" more productive than just pinging the turret you want them to pressure.

AMYS GRAVE3 votes

Or, its a team game and we win or lose together.

You didn't solo carry your win, you and your team won it together, just like you didn't cause that loss, you and your team lost together.

Saying you have to hard carry every game is downplaying the nature of a team game and is doing more to ruin soloq than anything else.

Sammystorm1 votes

You win or lose together but you can solo carry.

AMYS GRAVE2 votes

That downplays the fact that your team was putting on pressure elsewhere on the map. Your "solo carry" was because your team held out 4v5 while you split pushed, or took dragon while 4 of them came to get you. If you record and rewatch your "solo carry" games by following your teammates through the game you will find they were doing more than you give them credit for.

Sammystorm1 votes

Your are partially right. When you solo carry you win a lane so hard that it puts all the pressure from the enemy team on the lane you are in. On top of that it means the opposing laner is so far behind that they aren't a factor. You end up able to deal with anyone on the opposing team and the opposing team has to commit so many resources to deal with you that it puts the other lanes ahead.

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

Yeah, so when the OP says (paraphrasing) "the reason people lose 100% of the time is because you rely on other people." that doesn't match up with the goal of getting your other lanes ahead. If you can't rely on them then why bother trying to get them ahead.

Individuals perform better who serve the team, and whose team serves them.

Sammystorm1 votes

Winning in solo queue is a combination of trust and taking things upon your self. Yes having a team that meshes well and is coordinated is ideal but the reality is that usually their will be people you can not trust to do anything really. So the majority of the responsibility lies on you because you know that you can do the things necessary. Hopefully at least.

FastAsHeck2 votes

^ this

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

It's a zero-sum game. If someone wins, someone has to lose.

Hence, 100% of games have players who lose.

The Lexer1 votes

In fact, on average 5 people lose per game

(I don't remember where I saw this but it is not mine so credit to whoever said it first)

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Burn the Plagiarist!!!

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

actually the average is less than 5. occasionally there are loss forgiven games lowering the average to slightly less than 5. :P

Rueian2 votes

This game cant be single handedly carried. You need your team no matter how good you are. You can do everything right, and still lose. That is to say no one does everything right. BUT no single individual is the cause of a loss, the entire team is.

Sxli1 votes

I thought this was gonna be really whinny but these are all really good points. If you`re a supp or jungle, aim to set up a play every time your ult is up. Just doing this makes it so there is less time wasted doing unnecessary stuff like aimlessly walking around waiting for something to happen.

LICENSED HOOKER1 votes

Wanna know the best part? They upgrade wards :)

wwwdots1 votes

if a support is not warding its a definitely a reason to bitch, just because u can ward for your self doesn't mean support should neglect their job. if they don't ward? u tell them to ward? if they still don't do it nag till they do. cause a support not doing their job is same as having an afk or rather worse, an extra bag to carry.

3tyson3 votes

actualy annyone not upgrading trinket is a reason to ask them to upgrade it

wwwdots1 votes

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actualy annyone not upgrading trinket is a reason to ask them to upgrade it

does that justify a support's choice to not do their job? no. and yes they get the same treatment, nag till they upgrade it

3tyson1 votes

i ask my team mates to buy a sightstone/upgrade trinket friendly 3/4 times if i keep on getting ignored i undernstand nthis is a team that doesnt communicate if i keep on nagging theyd usualy turn toxic and its even worse for me

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

but but... it's disabled...

3tyson2 votes

than buy ss or wrds

Cleril1 votes

Once I had a Leona support who wouldn't buy sightstone so I did.

In response to the thread: Bard

He can only make people as good as they are. If they are good he can make them better. If they are shit they will have complete diarrhea.

Remlap12231 votes

But when I play support and hit my ward cap, and I ask my team to ward and then they tell me it's the support's job, despite there being 3 stealth and 1 pink on the map already, how do I somehow hack the ward cap?

I'm more that willing to admit when I fucked up, but sometimes your teammates can be completely brain dead. Unfortunately for us, the players that are simply MMR gravity don't get sifted from the actual ones with potential in Solo Queue, and unless you can pubstomp hard all the time, you'll end up in ELO hell if you get consistently matched with them.

Linthe1 votes

{quoted}

But when I play support and hit my ward cap, and I ask my team to ward and then they tell me it's the support's job, despite there being 3 stealth and 1 pink on the map already, how do I somehow hack the ward cap?

Hard to argue with any of this. Impossible that a support can properly ward the entire map. Really not even 1/2 the map although a mediocre job is possible I guess.

Gorgiolio1 votes

I lose because the people on my team don't do that for themselves. I can't even count the amount of people who don't even upgrade their trinkets. I'm pretty sure I place more wards than the support sometimes.

KarKzz1 votes

Sometimes, i see people warding.. but not looking at their wards. At the point that i don't care anymore if i walk into the crab blood to gank a lane. And often, i was right, they didn't see me coming.

High51 votes

I do buy wards as an adc when the sup chooses not to. Honestly, everyone should be warding, but most choose not to.

Markus Kruber1 votes

You can't carry a losing team against a winning team all by yourself 5 of you trist bot, thresh bot, (both feeding), top naut feeding, jg rammus feeding, and you fed ass veigar who has best KDA you still cannot beat the 4 fed ass tanks and the fed ass adc on the other team. You can try, you can kill at least 2 of them before all the tanks ccs disable you for 15 seconds and the adc rips you apart or if the adc is dead all the remaining tanks rip you apart.

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