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disregardable3 votes

It's hard to call a melee champion with no gap closer overpowered.

Rock shatterer1 votes

passive gives 15 flat ms,e gives him nice ms boost on a low CD and ignores unit collision,with a slight leap when they are nearby.Probably randuins,frozen mallet,tri force rage unique passive. But i see your point

disregardable1 votes

still just movement speed. Vayne+Quinn wreck him. Good luck against Nidalee jg.

Rock shatterer2 votes

Well,that happened once yesterday

Syn Zykan1 votes

nidalee bought a wits end, does not count at all lol

Rock shatterer1 votes

Point

Leti the Yeti1 votes

considering my average udyr build looks something like item 3172 item 3284 item 3078 sometimes item 3139 item 3143 item 3153 which already grants me 580+ movement speed... I,ve never been kited by a quinn, vayne, kalista etc.

imo, udyr is the FASTEST champion in the game by a long shot rammus can be faster, but since powerball has like a 15 second cooldown, its only enough to reach them Udyr can stick to anyone due to perpetual 580 move speed

disregardable1 votes

I don't generally build Zephyr, it's just not a particularly forgiving item to build on him. item 3078 item 3071 are my only offensive items. Same is true for Alacrity, not very forgiving. As fast as you may be, your chase is still inferior to every champion with a gap closer. You might outplay the Quinn, and you sure might catch up to that Nidallee. But J4 does it easier, better, and more reliably every time. Trying to build movement speed on Udyr to make up for a lack of a gap closer does not make him overpowered.

Leti the Yeti1 votes

Actually the movement speed is for running away when i go ballz deep backdooring turrets being able to stick and catch up to everybody is just a bonus perk, lmao Idk what you mean by "forgiving" resistance to slows AND tenacity?, geez.. I can walk over every teemo mushroom in my way and still out run their dumb ass

this movespeed is specially here so my mistakes in map awareness goes away completely forgiven

gap closers are nice, but you will still get kited once its down... unless you can lock own the target once you have reached em :D yes, you're gonna catch up to nidalee, having that 180~200 move speed advantage over most champs is a big fking deal, I'll catch up and pass the guy with homeguards in some seconds

disregardable1 votes

Assuming you don't lose half of your health before you get there, you mean. Not really a problem with my standard build.

item 3078 item 3117 item 3110 item 3071 item 3102item 3725

Leti the Yeti1 votes

i build frozen heart too :D I rarely go glass cannon, but my tankiness does come later in the game gotta have that cdr for more spamming investing in some cdr runes soon so I can pick banshees over visage rather not get mobis cuz i'm always at risk of entering combat http://puu.sh/fF4WT/945df8275d.png would have devourer trail blazers if i was jungling http://puu.sh/fF5mD/e8c1b8b54e.png i actually bought banshees for this game, till i sold it for a GA then sold the GA for a bork after i died, lmao protip guys... selll the GA...

Alderon WolfBane2 votes

IMO i feel like his tiger DoT is a bit too strong but over-all he's very balanced.

Rock shatterer1 votes

yea,was hilarious when trist ulted me,flashed and jumped away and i still caught up tho summoner 4 Tristana item 3070 item 3070 item 3070

Jungle Lux God2 votes

It depends on whether Trick2g is playing him.

Rock shatterer1 votes

ikr #Trickop

TrentBatNA1 votes

Balanced.

Rock shatterer1 votes

Poro king has spoken

Rock shatterer1 votes

Bump No.2

Syn Zykan1 votes

not overpowered, but very good in the right team. His teamfight is way weaker than a lot of current meta junglers, but his split pushing is almost unrivaled. Pair him with champs that have good waveclear and just 1-3-1 or 1-4 split push. If the enemy team comes to stop you, your team can put pressure somewhere else. Would still prefer a Rek'Sai in general though as she split pushes just about as well, has better ganks and map coverage, and can team fight way better.

Rock shatterer2 votes

I couldnt have said it better,cant agree with the rek sai part though.People say she is friggin op but i dont rilly think so

Rock shatterer2 votes

her cc is unreliable and hard to hit,with good teamwork you can shut down her tunnels and her ult at the same time.Ult can be interrupted by like ANYTHING soo i think she isnt that gr8

Rew7111 votes

Well, as someone who doesn't want his main to be nerfed into oblivion, I say we should instead focus on finding champions who are too weak and give them buffs to be able withstand what Udyr brings. Also, if we could give Tanks back some sustain and just tone down their AP and AD on their abilities, then I think things would be much better when Udyr comes in because it takes me literal seconds to kill Tanks now. With any champion, except a Tank.

Syn Zykan1 votes

I don't think Rek'Sai is op, she just brings more to the table in general to a team. Rek'Sai's Teamfight damage is quite a bit higher than Udyr's even if you don't land the CC, she can poke with burrowed Q, her ganks are way more threatening and can come out of no where, and that global scream when she ults has a mental effect on the enemy team causing them to play differently just from the sound.

You can use Rek'Sai's ult to escape a bad situation or to get closer to an objective. There is just way more utility on Rek'Sai than Udyr.

Don't get me wrong though I absolutely LOVE playing udyr, because if my team falls behind I can still take control of the map like no other and force objectives to catch us back up. Rek'Sai is not even remotely as good at playing from behind. And Split push ftw :D

xLegendary Troll1 votes

It depends on the elo. Lower level players can't kite and don't have knowledge on counter picks. Pick Udyr in a high elo match and you'll get chunked to half HP before you even get a chance to stun someone.

Rock shatterer1 votes

Tell that to trick2g master rank

Gunpoint1 votes

an Udyr with a mega stacked Devourer, Botrk, and Triforce, is a thing to be feared.

Rock shatterer1 votes

Godyr babeUdyr

The Chin1 votes

I think he's a good, simple jungler. Would recommend him to new junglers. I'd say he's balanced.

Rock shatterer1 votes

AgreedEzreal

Faith Breaker1 votes

I had a guy msg me after a game I played as Udyr. He was apparently a friend of the Vayne on our team and was spectating. He told me I did well and carried our game as Udyr, but he told me that my build was cancer. If I recall correctly my end game Udyr build goes something like:

Beserker's Boots = Atk speed means more hits, and with the ad build it lets me pile on TONS OF DMG faster onto Turrets/Objectives. If behind I might get Tabi or Merc

Jungle Item (Usually Stalker) + Devourer = Punch things faster, and give em a wet willie while you do it

Bloodthirster = DURMAGE. Plus blood sheild synergies with Turtle Stance providing Udyr extra time to live longer and thus get in more attacks and more dmg

Infinity Edge = It's got the durmage I want. Everything else (crit, passive) are just bouses to me.

Botrk/Ghostblade = If I want to focus on a kitey enemy or help me deal with Mundos are Volis, I take BotK. Otherwise Ghostblade's active helps me rush out of base and have it back on CD for solo'ing towers/objectives.

Maw of Malmortius/Phantom Dancer = Do I have enough dmg and want more atk speed, or do I want more dmg and can use the Maw's passive?

This is a typical build of mine, granted I interhance things like a GA or BV or Thornmail. But the guy said my build was cancer/not right. However, at the same time he told me he loved my playstyle, let me know he really enjoyed watching how I played Udyr and handled him. I asked him to explain why my build was cancer, and IIRC he said something like I wasn't built as a team player. I either nuked every one down by myself and left my team behind or I was a short burst one shot poney that couldn't perform for his team.

I believe this has to do with Udyr being tanky/sustain/do a buncha stuff, but when I play Udyr, I don't want sustain, or tankyness, or durability. I don't want Statik Shiv, and as far as on hit effects go I only need a few. I want damage. I want every single strike to be as painful as possible and I wanna watch Udyr unleash a cascading avalanche of blows at such speed one either Reks as is ideally or falls off short as the wanna be

I developed this playstyle before knowing what a Trick2G thing way. And after finding out it made ALOT MORE SENSE remembering people calling Godyr (or wanna be godyr) or Trick2Insult. I see alot of people going with the balanced Udyr build, being able to live longer and deal his dmg through a longer period of time. But for me, I need to be the glass cannon udyr with lifesteal. I feel if I cannot obliterate my targets fast enough, I either engaged poorly, picked the wrong fight, or bad the wrong play. I feel with full ad/atk speed Udyr I can position and pick fights and assasinate while having all my dmg options constantly available to me with almost no cd what so ever.

Thoughts? Onions?

ColinFly3 votes

Guy was right, build sucks

Faith Breaker2 votes

Tell me why it sucks and why I continue to build and use it ? Or do you not even have the ability to express your own opinion? No? Give it a try =) Go ahead, just try to exert some mental effort. I'll wait.

Rock shatterer1 votes

its good to try out out of the meta builds,yet this build is full damage.Now that wouldnt be bad if you are Zed or master yi who can go untargetable and blink away,but udyr replies on ms to escape,and he has no ranged abilities to cc or damage enemies. Considering this,he needs to be built bulky or at least semi-tanky with damage since he will be going balls deep to attack enemies. Anyways with devourer and tri force he is insanely strong. item 3078 Opitem 3078

Hizsoo2 votes

So you specifically asked for it. I am capable of to somewhat explain and give my argument and valid point about what and why the usual Udyr player are building and why. You seems like just a f'kind idiot with the desire to deal tons of damage. You can find a better champion to do that with. item 3717 item 3009 item 3078 item 3110 item 3102item 3071 TriForce Frozen Heart is like the bread and butter for specific champions to deal the good old tons of damage. Most of the stats TriForce can provides to Udyr is really useful and he can also get a lot out of both of the passives on it. Frozen Heart is also really good. You need some CDR if you want his passive easily going and/or using the same abilities more often. If you want to stay out there and use abilities for a while, you need some efficient mana item. There is mana on Sheen and FH, so there you go.

These items are rather the priority and the reliable path for him, which devour less likely fits. You can go for Ranger's Trailblazer and you better do that as long as you mana supply is rather highly insufficient and you didn't finished your mana items jet, than switch it up later and upgrade it with an enchantment, only after that point for maximum efficiency.

As a fighter with no real gap closer, you will need a Tenacity item and the jungler item is the better slot for it and in this case, what I describe, buying devour is already aborted. Farming up and being effective LATER is usually not the way you should play a fighter like Udyr. Give the spot for late game for someone else in your teem!

He have a percentage movement speed increasing ability and the way you can get more out of that is flat movement speed to effectively gap close and run fast, so there goes your boots option, Boots of Swiftness. If a single pesky spell is capable of taking you out of the fight like Syndra stun or Vayne Condemn (which is her only ability which counts as a spell), than with a spell shield, you have a second chance to initiate and or do whatever you want.

The initial activation of Tiger stance gives you a physical damage overtime effect at the first hit after, which is the most superior thing at stacking up the Black Cleaver armor reduction on someone. It makes Tiger Udyr even more disgusting in duels. All the stats it provides is also really good on him.

You want at lest that much attack speed from your runes and masteries, which makes your slapping in turtle stance ok. If you want some health sustain, that make sure you will have a spell blade proc when going into turtle stance, than slapping with it to get more out of that life steal. If you are planing to go for Boots of Swiftness, than there is room for more early damage from runes and not for movement speed Quints, as an other source of percentage movement speed.

Tiger Udyr is still good I guess. You need single target damage at most of the jungle camps and early on, you don't do raptors camp without smite. He can melt squishies better and can better a better Black Cleaver user. With lvl 1 double tiger stance activation and ignite, you could be the most superior at cheesing your top lane opponent.

Phoenix Udyr needs a lot more attack speed because, because that stat is not built into that of his ability, literally only attack speed as offensive options from runes. It deals magic damage and have better AoE, but I'm not that sure about, so I rather not go deeper into details about it this time.

Faith Breaker1 votes

There you go, thank you very much. That's a much better response. However what gives you the righ to call me a ****ing idiot?

Rock shatterer1 votes

You havent tried the Godyr yet have you? YOU CANT STOP ITS SOO STRONGUdyr

Hizsoo2 votes

Try to be less dumb!

ColinFly1 votes

Guys who responded were right, keep building full damage and keep wrecking those bronze players I guess.

jv21blU7oD1 votes

It's a shit build because it completely relies on your snowballing factor to pile on damage item after damage item to brute force your way through opponents. Main problem though is that you're playing Udyr, a melee champion without a dashing gap closer and will get kited and cc'd to hell against any team with a brain. You're not gonna snowball every game unless you're like a Diamond 2 smurf playing in Bronze 3 which I highly doubt.

You could perhaps go for such a build if you want to purely split push but you will definitely get outdueled by any high damage bruiser who builds meaningful amounts of armor against you (especially since you're not even building Last Whisper???) or blown to pieces by any AP character with meaningful CC or mobility.

Your post also has nothing to do with what the OP was asking. You might as well have created your own thread instead.

Rando McGee1 votes

When I go AD Udyr I prefer item 3713 >item 3153 >item 3078 >item 3707 >item 3172 or item 3110 >item 3143 ,item 3110 , or item 3065. Throw your boots in there somewhere, usually item 3047, item 3111, or item 3009, but if you go item 3110 you may want item 3006 instead.

Personally I prefer going warrior enchant over devourers because it doesn't need to be rushed, giving you more money towards your core sustain and aspd items early on. Zephyr is good if you're snowballing or want to swap out for more damage end-game.

Suggestions, criticism and tips are welcome and appreciated.

Edit: Forgot to mention this build is for Tiger Stance, I have no idea if this build is even remotely viable on Phoenix Stance Udyr as it is the absolute last stance I get with this build.

Rock shatterer1 votes

Standard Tiger udyr build,but effective.Btw black cleaver works too since every tiger tick applies one stack. You might want to try phoenix udyr in the jungle with devourer btw,there is a reason its called Godyr ;) Udyr

Rando McGee3 votes

I started playing Udyr with Phoenix Stance, but after my recent insane luck of getting Spirit Guard Udyr in the form a mystery gift I was getting A LOT of Trick2G wannabe comments (I hadn't even heard of the guy before I got this skin) and now I'm on a personal mission to master Tiger Stance and show people that there's more than one way to play Udyr effectively.

Also of course you need to adapt to the game with any build as things go on, extra tank, Hydra for insane push power, or Guardian Angel for survivability are all viable in different situations.

Rock shatterer1 votes

Actually trick is playing alot of tiger recently, ofc there is more than one way,there is full tank,phoenix,Utility top,And tiger. His kit is very versatile. Point:Tiger is pretty common

Faith Breaker3 votes

Thanks, nice to hear stuff like this instead of being insulted for not using the same 6 items every game =)

Sciaphobia231 votes

As an Udyr main, I can say he is not OP at all. His movement speed is the one thing keeping him relevant at all since any champion can build to be tanky.

Udyr's early game is pretty bad on top of that, counter junglers destroy his game and on top of that a lot of the time lanes are complaining because they are feeding meaning you still don't have time to farm.

About 5 minutes ago I went against a Yorick (who I know can level 2 dragon from personal experience) and I couldn't even damage the dude on level 18, his lifesteal recovered everything I hit. On top of that you get sucky team fighting ability because your literally a meatshield/stunbot.

As much as I love Udyr he has heavy flaws and weaknesses making him a risky pick in most games. Before people complain about Udyr take a look at Lee sin and J4....

Rock shatterer1 votes

I main dyr too,this isnt about complaining how op he is,just discussing if he is op,balanced or up. We arent complaining just having thoughts expressed :)

ThCakeIsALie1 votes

Godyr is now a permaban if I'm the leader. I've seen too many games of Godyr killing my not-so-smart allies w/ ease. Stupid. Permabanned.

ABlueQuaker1 votes

Udyr takes a bit of game sense to play. He's able to kill squishies provided he can get on top of them, he can splitpush with the best of them, he can peel for his carries extremely well, he can provide a lot of objective control, and he can out duel a vast majority of champions after he gets a couple of items under his belt.

Overall, I'd say he's Balanced with the potential to be Very Strong, or Very Weak depending on the person playing him and what they build.

http://i.gyazo.com/770d50ca94b78d19fe1e6c933539e4a1.png (NOTE: 1. I usually start with Doran's Blade then get a 2nd one. 2. When I'm versing AD-Heavy Comps I usually get Thornmail instead of Maw of Malmortius)

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