Ryze Support?

BreadSammich·Jun 6, 2015·1 votes·1,485 views

So, I've liked top lane a bit recently (although I am a support main) and I'm recently picked up Ryze again after his update. After playing him a lot I kinda wondered why noone plays him support. Besides the reason that he only has one cc ability (and only a root), it is a point-and-click insta-root nd because of its mana cost and his generally high mana pool it can be spammed out the wazoo Also his new skillshot q is a lot better for constant poke to deal damage (duh) and proc spellthiefs. I don't think he'd make a half-bad support but no one ever plays him support so there must be a reason... any input would be nice.

6 Comments

FierceSTEAKJun 7, 20151 votes

Rooting will not really do anything to a ranged champion as they will still be able to auto attack you. Champions like Leona, Thresh, Janna, Braum provide so much more than Ryze player ever could

BreadSammichJun 7, 20152 votes

What about zyra then? All she has pre6 is a harder to land root that doesn't root as long? But she's still a viable option.. Same thing (to a certain degree) is Morg who is definitely a viable supp at the moment

FierceSTEAKJun 7, 20151 votes

zyra has ult that has a knock up and a q i believe that is a much better AOE ability lol...

Morg's root is 100 times longer plus her ult slows, stuns in the end. not to mention her E? that completely counters thresh and blitz? comeon man; think before you downvote lol

BreadSammichJun 7, 20151 votes

I didn't downvote, but yeah those are good points. Didn't really think that one through lol 😜

Reaper SorakaJun 7, 20151 votes

You really made me think about this! I've been pondering it for like an hour now and I just can't come up with a solid conclusion. Try running some questions like this one through your mind.

Do I have a lane presence with no personal items?

No tear. No Rod of Ages. No Frozen heart. Keep in mind you're likely starting roughly 1800g in the hole and will not be soaking up cs in lane. (1800 being Support Tier2 item, Sightstone, Vision ward and minimal potions.) You can typically finish these items by the 10 minute mark. Boots might be a solid choice after these, so you can keep up with your ADC, pushing any personal items even further down the chain.

HorusEyeJun 7, 20151 votes

Pros of Support Ryze

Able to root a single person
Good pokes with QE
....yea, thats it.

Cons of Support Ryze

Very mana-dependant (full W rank is 100 mana)
To deal very high damage with his ult, minions has to be sacrificed, resulting in ADC losing cs.
Not very reliable in counter-ganking/saving ADC from a gank.
Q being turned into a skillshot is a little more difficult in pulling off pokes.
Reworked Ryze cant be built tanky, so he's pretty squishy at bot lane.
Ryze's pokes will also shove lane pretty easily early game since his passive & E will kept on bouncing off minions.