So... Sightstone
Does it even matter as long as you ward? Getting dissed for not doing your job just because you don't have a
when the only 3 (store bought wards) on the map are yours sounds kind of retarded.
Does it even matter as long as you ward? Getting dissed for not doing your job just because you don't have a
when the only 3 (store bought wards) on the map are yours sounds kind of retarded.
If they don't have 2 wards placed and an upgrade trinket in their inventory.They are toxic scrubs. So dont worry for them.
As a support, part of your job is to control vision. While that is a team effort, you still do majority of the warding and it is part of your job, imo, there isn't an exception, even if you are playing a silly bot lane with a friend you should get a sight stone. It's better than buying the wards separate as a support too because it's more gold efficient. Plus you need your red trinket to sweep dragon, if nothing else.
Buying wards just becomes very inefficient compared to sightstone. There is nothing wrong with regular wards, but when people look at your inventory (after you used your wards) and see you have no wards/sightstone they might get upset/confused.
when im support/jungler (only certain junglers) I get sightstone and upgraded pink
Does it even matter as long as you ward? Getting dissed for not doing your job just because you don't have a
when the only 3 (store bought wards) on the map are yours sounds kind of retarded.
does it matter, well no, not really... but.... you cant ward the same, not while also using your gold for other items, maybe not even using your gold only for wards
you cant ward as efficiently without buying sightstone... the cost blows up fast, and these costs get greater the longer the game goes, the more wards your enemy destroys
Does it even matter as long as you ward? Getting dissed for not doing your job just because you don't have a
when the only 3 (store bought wards) on the map are yours sounds kind of retarded.
Of course it does! That's a really silly statement; a Sightstone is incontrovertibly better than sight wards. Whether from gold cost to utility to performance, a Sightstone is superior in all aspects to it's alternatives.
If all the games lasted 20 minutes, then it would probably not be worth it. But since you do not have 20/20 vision of the future (Ba dum ts), then I would buy it always.
If you are support, always get a sightstone. People think that with the upgraded trinkets, that its an obsolete item. Its not; upgraded trinkets are just Riot's way of hopefully getting your other teammates to pitch in. They are not as effective as a sightstone; at any given moment you probably only have 1 charge if you are using it decently, even as a laner. Trying to consistently keep key areas warded with just the upgraded trinket as a support is going to be hard, and this leaves you without a sweeper, which is very important when you are having vision battles vs. your typical "only one person wards" solo Q games.
And again, when dragon starts to come up, and you need 3 wards to get vision around dragon, and you need to sweep what little vision someone on the enemy team actually put down, you are going to be glad you have someone with a sightstone who can instantly put down a quick 3 wards, or more if they get swept, compared to that guy with a single charge on his trinket.
Its just too effective of an item to pass up if you are on support. I mean, we can argue the upgrade, to ruby, being made better since I know the feeling of it getting super late-game and you have what feels like a slot inefficient item(arguable; as the game gets longer, wards matter even more; I wish there was a way to get pinks with a full build without giving up a trinket), so maybe ruby could have some diff. upgrades ala jungle items/support items/etc.
Not to mention, lvl 9 isn't that fast, especially if you are in the duo lane where more than likely you are going to be the lowest xp person on the team. You are going to need some decent wards before lvl 9 on support. The first trinket isnt going to cut it, and buying green wards is just inefficient.
Should this be bought even before movement speed as a support?
I'm still learning support, but I really like it.
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Should this be bought even before movement speed as a support?
I'm still learning support, but I really like it.
For me... it depends how the lane is going.
If we are pushing into their turret then I will get SS first.
If we are getting pushed into our turret and/or getting poked a lot then I will usually get boots.
Thanks for the input.
Playing normally? I try to back at 1300 gold to get an upgraded gold item (500), a sightstone (800) and red trinket (0). Otherwise if I can't make it, I get the upgraded gold item +2 wards (and keep yellow trinket for the time being). Movement isn't very important that early on most supports. immobile ones like soraka/sona just play safely out of reach, the HAM ones like leona/blitz/thresh have ways to get to their targets without needing to rush boots, the only one i can see boots being needed is alistar or maybe some unconventional support.
I do skip building it totally on 2 occasions:
I'm doing a kill lane as a "support". My success is not to really peel or support the ADC but to kill the enemy laners over and over so that we stay ahead while they stay underleveled and unfunded. It's not a selfish way of playing, it's just a different way. I do not kill things with hp, I do that with damage so it is essential that I invest that 800+ gold into a
/
+
rather than a
. Most ADC who understand the concept of a kill lane will even happily share the warding especially if you've managed to get the enemy 0/2/0 each by 7 minutes in.
Colour themes. Sorry but after playing for this long, it's little silly things like this that I find rather entertaining. Building a champion according to their colour, try it. A golden
build does not permit a
for the simple fact that it is not yellow/orange/gold. Fortunately upgraded yellow trinket is yellow and serves as a slightly inferior replacement, and ugly green sight wards disappear right after they're used.
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Should this be bought even before movement speed as a support?
I'm still learning support, but I really like it.
I think so. Movement speed isnt going to do much in lane, compared to the health which allows you to trade more aggressively. 9 times out of 10, if I'm supporting, the first thing I buy is a sightstone if I'm tryharding. If I'm just playing some lux support or something, I might buy something else or upgrade my support item. but, early on extra health is an amazing stat. You dont realize how much stronger you are with the sightstone's health, and then the added benefit of wards to play aggressive.
Thats another thing. If you are going to be aggressive, you probably want a SS. You need that vision to keep yourself from being punished by your aggressive plays. Nothing will ruin your game more, then going ham on someone and getting ganked/roamed on because you upgraded your support item or bought mobi boots instead of getting a sightstone first.
You cant go wrong with spending your first 800 gold on sightstone.
Yes, personally. I usually try to stay in lane until I can get SS and switch to Sweeper. I'll get tier 1 boots if I can but finishing SS is my absolute priority. Then I get Mobility boots for roam/rotate, then whatever... Crucible rush most likely on Sona, finish that Talisman on Janna, etc.
Hi, I'm a top lane and support main in plat right now and movement speed can be pretty good on some champions like janna who can roam to top or mid early with mobis then recall and go back to lane. You probably wont miss more than 2-3 waves and if you get a kill for your laner you can get xp for that. In fact this is usually what I do if my adc isn't very good. I roam mid and top really early to try and get them ahead.
Here's a video where krepo, a high elo support, talks about what some of the higher elo supports do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4EfueGH7IY One of the things higher elo supports do that he talks about in that video is rush mobis and get a pink ward and a green ward and some pots (if you back with around 1000 gold) and then get deep wards in their jungle so you know where the enemy jungler is most of the time.
If you are fighting a lot in lane just going sightstone might be better though.
Well, that's competitive games/very high elo where you know your mid won't be at tower pinging you to fall back when you try to gank, your ADC won't engage 1v2 in your absence and scream "wtf insert your champion here", and your teammates will capitalize on whatever information these deep wards give you. For us plebs it's better to rush SS and sweeper to gain vision control on our own lane and dragon.
Personally I try to get a sighstone on my second recall unless were doing very good, Usually on my first back ill get basic boots, second tier support item, a ruby crystal, and if i have enough gold wards and potions.
Getting the upgraded yellow trinket instead is a definite trade-off. You miss out on Sweeping Lens, but save the 800 gold you would have spent on the Sightstone. If you buy a pink and a few greens to get you through to level nine, you'll have a couple hundred gold left over to drop on other items. That means there's a few questions you need to ask yourself when considering this strategy.
Is there a stat I need more than 400 gp worth of health? If not, just get the Sightstone because the health is nice anyway.
Does my build have enough synergy with a different utility item to justify rushing it? If so, getting that other utility item could still support your team.
Do I scale hard enough to justify a selfish purchase as a support? Some supports transition into auxillary carries late-game. If you're one of them, having an extra slot and a little cash for a damage item could be worth it. Otherwise, just get Sightstone.
Well you can buy the wards, but you're saving lots of money with SS.
Lol. Those scrubs downvoted me ^^ so funny. I'm sorry to tell them but if a
is viable on a support then
is OP on everyone. Mind your own build first THEN harass the poor support for even more wards.
Lol. Those scrubs downvoted me ^^ so funny. I'm sorry to tell them but if a
is viable on a support then
is OP on everyone. Mind your own build first THEN harass the poor support for even more wards.
The problem is that in low level play, not everybody upgrades their trinket at level 9. Sadly to say, I've seen teams that never upgrade at all. So being a good and generous support that you are, you buy a sightstone to cover this hole in the team. If you're just as stubborn as they are, then you deserve the loss.
In high level play, 1 - 2 players will have ward trinkets, others will have scanner/orb. So it would be wise that the support have a sightstone.
It's common sense to buy a sightstone as a support.
Reason why you're getting scold at is because when you don't buy one, and you spend over 400g on wards (that's only 1 pink and 4 normal), you're putting yourself behind on other support items that can help you survive or help your adc get kills. How? You spend 400g now, later you decide you want a sightstone, you spend 800, that's 1200.
If you don't decide to buy a sightstone ever, you will spend over 800g easily over the entire course of the match. On top of that you'll probably have upgraded stealth trinket, which means you won't have a scanner to deward. All because you want to have that one slot for an extra item that will most likely not matter because you're support.
Just remember that when you don't buy a sightstone, you're trying to get your items quicker, but in the long run, you're actually losing more gold and those items you want will come very slowly but progressively. Whereas, if you invest in a sightstone, the items you want will come almost instantly (without going through the build process).