Came up in the load screen. I never thought about it but it's kind of true when you do think about it. It's kind of like getting a mini triforce of stats. No wonder streamers are always so particular about not missing a single wave.
Mysticman8925 votesYeah. When I see people flash under the enemy tower to trade their life for their opponents I cry a little on the inside, since often it'd be better to realise you've forced them to back and you can now grab an xp advantage, instead of going relatively even by trading kills.
And A Real Hiero27 votesBut you get to invade their safe space and make them your bitch.
doodlebob6663 votesdepending on how large the wave is its sometimes worth it to due since you sometimes can't completely force people off the wave, and stopping them from getting 2 waves, and getting to collect the build up of minions when you get back and kill them /freeze the lane with your level advantage
Mysticman891 votesI did say 'often', there will sometimes be game states where trading is your best bet (enemy mejais/some minion configurations/enemy jg is about to murder you anyway/etc). Still, I see a lot of people default to the trade instead of taking the forced back, and more often than not it's not worth.
Also in my case I cry since I'm usually the support and it's my adc doing the suicide trade dive, and I can't protect them from that sort of thing. (Yeah maybe if I'm kench and I want to flash after them to nom them, but I'm refering to situations where it's 100% suicide on their part regardless of my play).
Wheatloaf8 votesForcing my opponent to miss waves makes me feel warm and toasty inside.
Fairyfleur5 votesaccurate summoner icon
Wheatloaf8 votesThat mug is filled with tears of champions who wish I had killed them.
ValyrianBlade3 votesYeah. When I see people flash under the enemy tower to trade their life for their opponents I cry a little on the inside, since often it'd be better to realise you've forced them to back and you can now grab an xp advantage, instead of going relatively even by trading kills.
Trading kills under the enemy tower is often a good move for exactly this reason though... If you push 6+ creeps under their tower and trade kills denying them a full wave of XP while you lose NONE, that's huge. If you just let them back, they come back to lane with an item advantage (and in top lane they TP back so they lose maybe 3 creeps...), then you have an item disadvantage (and since they recovered probably a health and possibly mana disadvantage) and you need to back. In that case you maybe end up net up 2 or 3 creeps due to more optimal back timing. Denying over a full wave by trading kills is often a good move.
General Esdeath 1 votesDepends, I've done this as 
to 
because he loses so many stacks and the security to farm under tower without me diving him while I'm 6 and he's 5.
69469238DEL116 votesObvious to every player outside of low elo qq
Durzaka13 votesNo shit.
Also a creep wave is worth about 1/3 of a kill.
CS is how to get ahead in the game consistently. it always has been.
Need Gold 4 Tent5 votesNo shit.
Also a creep wave is worth about 1/3 of a kill.
CS is how to get ahead in the game consistently. it always has been.
No, I'm not talking about the gold from cs. I mean the hp, armor, mr, ad, as, mana, any scaling rune stats you have (including big stats like cdr) and damage on abilities gained from a level is already worth more than 300g even if you did not land a single last hit but soaked all the exp.
Durzaka1 votesMy comment had 2 parts.
Part one
No shit.
Replying to you stating the obvious.
Part two
Also a creep wave is worth about 1/3 of a kill.
CS is how to get ahead in the game consistently. it always has been.
Also me now stating the obvious.
Red Wreckage3 votesThe jungle though...
played a game last night, enemy jg Jax vs me Yi.
Jax did nothing but gank lanes, I'm guessing he was totally skipping krugs/raptors/wolves, and just back > gank top/bot > back. I was 41 farm vs his 16, equal number of kills+assists(3-4) and we both were level 6 somehow. Later I reached 100 farm vs his ~50, and were both level 11, with me having higher kill+assists. Felt so unfair, I felt no advantage in playing like a jungler vs what was essentially a roaming duo top
DemainaNyx5 votesThe problem there is with catch up EXP in the jungle.
By you clearing the jungle, you level up and bring the level of the jungle up (jungle monsters spawn with the average level of all players in the game). By having smite and a jungle item, you can get bonus exp from clearing monster camps that are higher level than you. And, you get 30 x level difference per monster in the camp, so Krugs and Raptors offer a ton of exp when they are higher level than you. Krugs (10 monsters) can give you 300 bonus EXP from being 1 level behind them. I think the level difference stops at 7, meaning Krugs could give you 2100 bonus EXP if you were 7 levels behind them. That could be 2 levels from one camp depending on what point you were in the game. Of course, if you're some how 7 levels behind and the enemy hasn't ended the game yet, I'd say that's the enemies fault for not ending with that much of a lead.
This is why some junglers start Raptors, because since the jungle monsters start at level 2, you get that bonus exp from the camp, giving you level 2 plus like 1/6 exp towards level 3. Plus they spawn a few seconds before the buffs do, so on blue side you could do raptors with help from mid plus your AOE, get level 2, and still have bot leash your red buff without putting them behind.
Need Gold 4 Tent2 votes[{quoted}](name=Red Wreckage,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XN0aKM8K,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2017-10-16T06:35:54.430+0000)
The jungle though...
played a game last night, enemy jg Jax vs me Yi.
Jax did nothing but gank lanes, I'm guessing he was totally skipping krugs/raptors/wolves, and just back > gank top/bot > back. I was 41 farm vs his 16, equal number of kills+assists(3-4) and we both were level 6 somehow. Later I reached 100 farm vs his ~50, and were both level 11, with me having higher kill+assists. Felt so unfair, I felt no advantage in playing like a jungler vs what was essentially a roaming duo top
That's because catch up exp, that shit's dumb.
Glory ln Death1 votesMeanwhile, you're at 3 complete items to his 1 and components.
Champion Skin2 votesA kill gives 300 gold (450 with assists) and some exp however it also deny the enemy gold and exp (since they can't farm while dead) which is huge for getting an exp and gold lead over the opponent (obviously has less of an impact if the opponent has teleport and teleport right back into lane)
Müffîñ1 votesif you can liven after the kill, its worth, but not as much if you died for the kill.
Khristophoros1 votesIf you're not timing your backs after killing a cannon wave you are playing the game wrong
NekoniClaws1 votesI kinda' subconsciously knew this but it's really nice to see it quantified and in words. It'll make it easier to explain why I'm asking to freeze lane when I've zoned the enemy botlane out.
Terozu1 votesThis is part of what makes kill supports as effective as they are. They kill the enemy/force them off the lane. Denying them access to exp or farm, letting your adc get ahead.
Xenomancers1 votesThis is part of what makes kill supports as effective as they are. They kill the enemy/force them off the lane. Denying them access to exp or farm, letting your adc get ahead.
:)
Barcid1 votesKind of? If you're reliant upon every single one of your stats, most certainly, and definitely if you're reliant upon abilities. It's why bruisers can't ever function bot, because too much is lost from lacking levels. ADC's who primarily auto attack, however, aren't so reliant on level ups as most of the time if you're being properly peeled only two stats matter: attack damage and attack speed.
Need Gold 4 Tent2 votes[{quoted}](name=Toxic Control,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XN0aKM8K,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-10-16T04:16:33.081+0000)
Kind of? If you're reliant upon every single one of your stats, most certainly, and definitely if you're reliant upon abilities. It's why bruisers can't ever function bot, because too much is lost from lacking levels. ADC's who primarily auto attack, however, aren't so reliant on level ups as most of the time if you're being properly peeled only two stats matter: attack damage and attack speed.
Ahhh, suddenly it all makes sense now, the meta. I knew in general bruisers and mages wanted levels while ADC wanted items but now the exact reasons become clear.
ProfDrDeath1 votesYeah. Bruisers (or melees in general) want levels for the survivability, as the tankiness you get from base stats is huge (tripling to quadrupling Armor and Health between levels 1 and 18), and they need to move into the enemy fire to apply most of their damage or utility. Conversely, ranged champions are not as dependent on XP for survivability, as range is a form of it as well (can't hurt what you can't hit) and range usually does not scale with XP (barring the obvious exceptions of Tristana, Twitch, Kog'Maw and Jinx).
General Esdeath 1 votesEspecially if you have scaling runes
Pale Pirate1 votesBut this doesn't mean it gives more in combat stats. You get mana, and the resistance type that isn't useful in lane.
JJI7441 votesThis, btw, is why laners are often unable/unwilling to come help junglers that invade/get invaded when their laners are pushed to tower.
DuskDaUmbreon1 votesI think I knew this even when I first joined. However, I think I greatly overestimated the impact of levels compared to items, because I would just push as hard as possible 24/7, for more exp, missing countless amounts of CS.
GrievousFetus1 votesThis is one of the biggest problems with the game. Kills are too inconsequential. No wonder the game is getting more and more passive and strictly farm oriented.
Losing XP and gold upon death when?