"Carry" yourself Champs

Bobbi Johnson ·Jan 28, 2015·1 votes·1,596 views

Top 5 champs that are best for carrying a match when your team simply can't or isn't able to help you at all ?

My guess :

Jax
Susan
Fizz
Riven
Akali

Also considered :

Darius Katarina Yasuo

What do you think ?

25 Comments

XtremeyJan 28, 20151 votes

MasterYi , Vayne , Katarina are my top 3. for solo carry potential.

TsundayJan 28, 20152 votes

I'd personally disagree with Vayne if you're in lower Elo. As a lower Elo support main I don't really think you can depend on your support well enough to allow you to farm or not fall behind in lane. I see a lot of Vaynes who end up with very passive supports and once you get Vayne zoned under turret and they can't farm well Vayne can't carry late game if she doesn't make it to late game. If you think you can 2v1 as Vayne in lane then maybe, but if not there are just a lot safer choices.

wwwdotsJan 29, 20151 votes

do not rely on ur support. yup support make a huge diference, but when u learn to kite against 5 people? vayne is the way to go.

TsundayJan 29, 20151 votes

Look I don't know that you even understood what I said. I specifically said you can't rely on your support as Vayne in lower elo. As Vayne you also can't kite/carry against 5 people if you get screwed over in lane. Vayne has a weak early game making it very hard to win lane without a decent support. Meaning you often have to rely on a support to not fall behind in lane. If you fall behind during your weak point it takes that much longer to farm up to your strong point and by the time a behind Vayne can get to her hypercarry stage the game could already be decided.

wwwdotsJan 29, 20151 votes

no I understood ur comment clear. do not rely on them low or high. that applys to any game as solo que no matter what position u play. to win a lane with out decent support is hard whether ur vayne or not . an incompetent player makes any game hard. but to say shes bad early game I disagree. she can take people on at early lv prior to 6. aa just simply out trade. to dodge a skill shot is a varied factor. but aa cannot be dodged and vayne simply out dmg aa. she can certainly take people on being under lved or farm.

TsundayJan 29, 20151 votes

Vayne is rather short ranged and it requires all 3 AAs to proc her silver bolts. An actual lane bully (like Caitlyn) should be able to outrade her in lane. Vayne also has trouble farming under turret of which ADCs with waveclear (like Jinx) can easily shove a Vayne to. Vayne is inherently reliant on a support in lane. I'm not telling you to rely on one but an ADC like Cait with long range, an escape and traps to keep her safe has a better change of not falling behind than someone like Vayne without a support. ADCs who are natural lane bullies are also less reliant on their support to do well in lane. Yes Graves still needs a support that doesn't feed, but a mediocre support with a Graves and an above average support with a Vayne can still leave the Vayne behind assuming Graves and Vayne are of equal skill levels. The Graves will do more early game damage and he has enough mobility/disables (smokescreen) to avoid silverbolts or at least make them riskier to set up.

Like I said if you believe you have the skill to 2v1 as Vayne then maybe, but practically anybody will tell you Vayne is weak early game. It's why she often is considered to synergize well with supports like Janna because they allow her to safely farm so that she can screw over the enemy lane bully in teamfights.

aa just simply out trade

Cait headshot, Lucian passive, Trist's old E, etc. There are single target abilities and AA buffs that other ADCs have.

wwwdotsJan 29, 20151 votes

she synergize with couple peeling support, but jana being probably the best option is simply cause of the ad scaling on shield and protection based on ap. also with every skill on jana beneficial to vayne. cait vs vayne is a classic counter however, graves and draven have much better chance bullying a vayne then cait. I don't even think of cait as a counter imo. sure she has the range for bullying and traps for manipulation of movement, however one cant say just cause she got that a 100 range higher always makes cait a bully. I don't deny that's an undeniable factual advantage. but what happens out side of lane? vayne dominate hard with out a tower to guard her. in a 1v1 scenario with an under lv or fed vayne takes her on easy. why? movement speed attack speed, gap closing. if a vayne choose to poke cait once and back out, vayne give cait the advantage of further poke, but if she just choose to continuously going at her face and aa. cait is down. which is why in most lane phase cait dominate because vayne does not or have hard time committee. in the end of all the adc, vayne's base stat scaling wise alone with out factoring varied subjective perception makes her a hyper carry potential.

Lancer1986Jan 28, 20151 votes

Lately I've seen alot of AD Jarvan's carrying....like...alot.....and Rengar...I hate him....leblanc as well?

PallyClarkJan 28, 20151 votes

all are meh. try kayle,ori,annie,. champions like vayne yauso jax nasus that either require mechanical skill you dont have or need to farm a shit ton for late game. easy champions for lower elos are always the greatest.

PallyClarkJan 28, 20151 votes

if you question it challenger/lcs coach says otherwise https://www.youtube.com/user/lastshadow9

Rebeltrooper23Jan 28, 20151 votes

Fiddlesticks Fizz Zed

Acidic PuddleJan 29, 20151 votes

You cant 1v5 carry with fidd, too squishy. You have to rely on ult which isn't 100%

AriafluxJan 28, 20151 votes

Who's Susan...?

Bobbi Johnson Jan 28, 20151 votes

nasus

KnucklefistJan 28, 20151 votes

make susan backwards...unless that was sarcasm

hisPetMunkeyJan 28, 20151 votes

MasterYi Zed Fizz JarvanIV

Yulen XoshxiusJan 28, 20151 votes

Not sure who Susan is, but in a normals game I DID see a Jax carry a team. Even in a team fight he was able to take out 4/5 of us against him ALONE. Granted I still can't figure out who on our team had CC.

rekd1Jan 28, 20151 votes

susaN . Better?

SukishooJan 29, 20151 votes

You don't know susaN?! get out :)

StealWolverineJan 28, 20151 votes

Tryndamere. If your right arm is stronger than your left you'll have your opponent's calling gg at 20. Not recommended for those who enjoy nexus killing. Staring down super minions before 20 minutes tends to bring surrenders before you can finish killing the second nexus tower. Almost forgot. summoner 12 summoner 6 And be one with the cheese. ( cheese goes with everything)

The ChinJan 28, 20151 votes

Riven Fiora are probably the best top laners LeeSin strong carry junglers Zed Akali Fizz Katarina Leblanc - although they are ALL getting nerfed, assassins are generally able to solo carry a game if they can do well early Vayne is probably the only ADC that even has a chance at 1v5 Zyra takes a lot of skill but she is the strongest AP poke support when mastered. Pretty common to see a support zyra doing the most damage on the team. I have a friend who's a zyra main, it's pretty broken TBH

So this is a list of "carry yourself" champs, not necessarily the best overall. If you're stuck in bronze and can't depend on your teammates for shit - these would be smart choices, but there's other champs that are more team dependent but are stronger overall.

Emerald UnicornJan 28, 20151 votes

Zyra may technically be more dmg poke efficient, but you did mention her user difficulty curve. If you want another close, if not equal, dmg poke support I highly recommend Xerath since he is really easy to use, minus his ult if you are bad at predicting where enemies with move. I take him support far more often than I do mid because of his kit. Long range/high damage Q. AoE W Slow. And a decent E Stun that can combo with many ADC CC abilities like Jinx W or E, or Vayne E.