At first C9 was looking great, but then they lose like 4 straight
And TSM was terrible from the start, with a couple games they could have easily won..
Anyone else surprised with NA's lack of play compared to their competitors ?
TurquoiseYoshi9 votesNo. Both teams were predicted to go 0-6.
Bobbi Johnson 1 votesCorrect me if im wrong. but C9 started 3-0 did they not ?
Pixzles1 votesBut they were predicted by many people to go 0-6.
TurquoiseYoshi2 votesTrue, but you can't call their performance terrible if they won 3 more games than they were expected to beforehand. That's like saying that LGD did great because they won two games in Week 2, even though they were supposed to win the group.
MCBiggah991 votesThey had one strategy, people found them out, they didn't switch strategies. At least they tried.
PoisonedTea1 votesNo. Both teams were predicted to go 0-6.
exactly! But I am one of the few that said CLG will be last in the group too.
TurquoiseYoshi1 votesCLG definitely underperformed, but this post isn't about them.
Bobbi Johnson 2 votesI think TSM desperately needs a 're-vamp' with new members. Get rid of Dyrus
TurquoiseYoshi2 votesHe kinda retired.
JavelinJoe2 votesand he was not the only issue. They were all solo playing hoping to win. it is obvious when you compare their wins to loses, what exactly went wrong. No communication.
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I think TSM desperately needs a 're-vamp' with new members. Get rid of Dyrus
No What phreak said was 100% true
The individual skill level of these players isn't that much different. It's their rotation and map play after mid game or so.
Ale non è male1 votesThe individual skill level of Dyrus/Santorin/maybe Turtle is considerably lower than world level competition, and Lustboy slumped as well in summer
stuartk111 votesI have to agree with trying to rebuild the TSM team. We have seen these players staying in a slump for quite a while. The team is looking worse than it ever has, and it is clear that some of the players are not up to par with their competition. A lot of people will hate this though, since they see TSM by the members that are in it, and that's why I think Dyrus' retirement was well timed for an attempt to rebuild. There would be less hate, and the team needs new talent and a fresh attempt to build a formidable and tight team, as well as a chance to build some serious synergy and team-work beyond what they currently have.
Prepares for downvotes.
Axis the Dragon1 votesNo, you're right. Hell, look at what just happened to TSM - on top of Dyrus, even Lustboy retired (shoulder injuries), and Santorin went back to school. Lustboy is gonna work as an analyst for TSM and is gonna help rebuild the team, which is cool.
Kal Vas Flam2 votesC9 at least had a plan that worked to an extent. TSM and CLG just kind of showed up and died.
JavelinJoe1 votesNo. TSM was not doing well in the summer. And with Dyrus leaving, it probably did not help to improve their moral after defeats. C9 was (to be fair) winning a lot simply because their opponents beat themselves half the time. In my opinion it is CLG that surprised me by not winning. they were 2-1 in the easiest group wee one and then 2-4 at the end of groups. They were expected to place first.
Linthe1 votesNot really, no...
C9 actually outperformed. Yes, they had a terrible day on Sunday and given their 3-0 start was clearly a disappointment. But if you had said before the tournament started that C9 was going to be in a tie breaker match to get out of groups, a lot of people would not have believed you.
TSM looked out of sorts almost all summer and it only got worse at worlds. Lustboy played 1 game of League of Legends at worlds (the Thresh game that TSM ended up winning). Santorin didn't even attend; I have NO idea what the team's jungle plan is but it desperately needs a re-work.
Smart Kitty1 votesNope, I'm surprised that C9 went 3-0 to begin with.
177A Bleecker St1 votesc9 went in with only 1 strategy. it was a really good strat but once they gifured it out i mean eh
Facy1 votesTSM actually overpreformed.... even with the super tilted LGD and that they gave TSM Mordekaiser i still was surprised TSM actually won this. C9 just a typical 1 trick pony team... they had some luck in week 1 aswell in their games no doubt about that. They didnt change strats in week 2 and well, they got exposed and slaughterd all over the rift. They never found an answer to Kennen.
Its just known and proofed in ALL of the worlds so far... .NA is rly rly rly bad at adapting... teams pick/play diffrent things and NA teams just cant find an answer to it.
Their performances was just like u could have expected, well i had CLG to go out of groups as 2nd and then get 3-0d by whatever team they face, definatly underrated LMS teams like so often.
Lugg1 votesTerrible? C9 played great at Worlds. They were just in a very tough group. Their only bad game was the second one against FNC.
Not surprised at all by TSM other than the fact they actually won a game. They need to clean house and start over.
DestructoDave1 votesTerrible? C9 played great at Worlds. They were just in a very tough group. Their only bad game was the second one against FNC.
Not surprised at all by TSM other than the fact they actually won a game. They need to clean house and start over.
They played great week 1, and then week 2 they played like crap. Hai went back to solo Q builds, Sneaky and Lemon had possibly the worst stretch of games in their careers, and Incarnation lost a couple lanes. So, half of those games, every single lane and jungle lost. Thats the number one reason they didnt win a single game sunday. They had at least 2 games where every single lane and jungler lost. I dont care if you had a cheat code at that point, its over. Not to mention, their main weapon, Sneaky, played horrendous and so did Lemon. They actually lost lane EVERY game. So, in 2 of the 4 games, Incarnation won lane twice. Balls, Lemon, Sneaky, and Hai were all behind in all 4. Not only were Lemon and Sneaky behind, they were dying in lane. It was an abysmal performance from what was supposed to be their rock this entire time. I honestly think if they didnt lose lane every single game, there is a chance they pulled a game out. Not to mention, by the end, their pick/ban was atrocious, like doing a 180 and making an all-in comp ala Fnc instead of just banning the Jinx. Overall, they shit the bed bad. I'd say 90% of the reason they lost all 4 games, was Sneaky and Lemon's performances. Sneaky is the one person you cannot afford to get behind, and not only did he get behind, he and lemon died randomly in lane and around the map in all their games.