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I'm a bad support main and I'm stuck in Silver V.

Sirin Gioro··3 votes·1,956 views

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I was Bronze at some point. I climbed out of Bronze by spamming Nami games. I got so hyped I thought that "yessss I'll be gold really soon just youuu waiiitt". Yea, sure. I couldn't even win a promo to Silver IV (three times already). I'm sure af going to get to gold really soon. It's not like I'm over here telling you guys about "rofl laz game me junglar so bed no genk i got camped top gg"... I know I'm bad, okay... I'm trying to spam as much Nami games as possible right now in Normals, though. I want to make her my main, despite my minor commitment issues.

Since I main support (Nami), I prefer to play support in every ranked game. I don't have the confidence to win when I play other lanes, like mid, top, ad. I can't play jungle, so never mind. I know I won't always get my desired role, but I don't feel like I can win playing other roles. I know that even if my AD is trash, I am the trashcan. Trashcans carry trashes, so that's that.

I also have a problem of not directing stating my problem while creating a thread too, and I apologize. Conclusion/TL;DR: I main support, and I don't have the confidence to win lane/game when I play other lanes (esp ADC, since the lane's "verdict" depends on ur support. Bad support = lose lane. worse, lose game). Stuck in Silver V because of that. And also, if I'm first pick should I let "we is duo bot chellngar smerf in KR server" to play bot lane, or should I just pick support? It seems BM to "take their role" in my ELO, though. I'm just gonna spam Nami games and see if it's helping or not.

Thanks.

EDIT: You can find replays on my op.gg @ http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=hi%20im%20malaysian :)

15 Comments

The Chin3 votes

That's rough. I'm a silver adc main, but sometimes I'm stuck supporting - and unfortunately even if you're playing out of your mind, landing all the bubbles, if the ADC doesn't follow up then you're kind of screwed.

Unfortunately there is adc's like that at this elo.

You might want to try a carry support like Zyra or Sona , someone who has enough damage that they can 1v2 the lane - that way if you get stuck with a super passive adc you can still win the lane.

Sona's been my main bitch lately because of her ridiculous damage, but I have a friend who's a zyra support main and she actually does MORE damage than sona, she's just harder to use and more skillshot dependent, but if you master her Zyra's the strongest AP poke support in the game.

Sohleks2 votes

To be honest if you insist on supporting at low elo your progress will be hard to measure unless you suddenly start playing on a whole 'nother level.

Number one thing you can do as a support to start playing on a whole 'nother level is to learn to abuse the enemy ADC. Generally any damage and kills onto the enemy AD is more than twice as valuable than on their support. Good poke supports I'd recommend for this purpose include Karma/Zyra/Vel'Koz/Sona. Those are all high damage as supports. I personally prefer my poke support champs, however I imagine they're especially useful at lower elos since they do not necessarily require follow up by other players to function. If you do good you will get kills/assist and be able to afford AP and continue to assist with damage the entire game.

The next best tip I have is to not die. Really. It does make a difference if the enemy champions can't obtain any gold from killing you at all.

Next is to warding properly of course... but I'm sure you know... I suggest you rebind ping as quickping too. This way it is even easier to alert your team to danger, it really makes a difference sometimes.

Also if I were you playing support in a low level I would start each lane by helping your AD push the first wave. Try to get level two first and abuse the fact you're two and trade with them. Don't push the first wave so fast they can retreat to turret and farm for free though (if they're smart). Just push slightly harder than the enemy is.

I really recommend you try more and more supports instead of spamming the same ones too. If you don't like them that's okay, at least now you know. Alistar is a really amazing underrated support, cheap too. He isn't poke but he can really punish the enemy if they misstep and make great plays and saves.

I also suggest you don't give up on other roles especially if there are other kinds of champs you like to play.

Sirin Gioro1 votes

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To be honest if you insist on supporting at low elo your progress will be hard to measure unless you suddenly start playing on a whole 'nother level.

Number one thing you can do as a support to start playing on a whole 'nother level is to learn to abuse the enemy ADC. Generally any damage and kills onto the enemy AD is more than twice as valuable than on their support. Good poke supports I'd recommend for this purpose include Karma/Zyra/Vel'Koz/Sona. Those are all high damage as supports. I personally prefer my poke support champs, however I imagine they're especially useful at lower elos since they do not necessarily require follow up by other players to function. If you do good you will get kills/assist and be able to afford AP and continue to assist with damage the entire game.

The next best tip I have is to not die. Really. It does make a difference if the enemy champions can't obtain any gold from killing you at all.

Next is to warding properly of course... but I'm sure you know... I suggest you rebind ping as quickping too. This way it is even easier to alert your team to danger, it really makes a difference sometimes.

Also if I were you playing support in a low level I would start each lane by helping your AD push the first wave. Try to get level two first and abuse the fact you're two and trade with them. Don't push the first wave so fast they can retreat to turret and farm for free though (if they're smart). Just push slightly harder than the enemy is.

I really recommend you try more and more supports instead of spamming the same ones too. If you don't like them that's okay, at least now you know. Alistar is a really amazing underrated support, cheap too. He isn't poke but he can really punish the enemy if they misstep and make great plays and saves.

I also suggest you don't give up on other roles especially if there are other kinds of champs you like to play.

  1. Maybe I should auto the enemy ADC if I'm in ranged, I guess? Ugh. I used to play Sona but I get sh*t on when they counterpick me using Blitzcrank/Thresh. Now I play mainly Nami but also Janna. Janna has no laning phase so I only play her when they have Rengar.

  2. I push the wave for my ADC and the fck he literally does nothing when we hit level 2 first. ADC: "I don't always play dumb. But when I do, the enemy would be level two and I'd be level one." THE FCK? When I ping the enemy he doesn't even know what the hell he's supposed to do oh my god

  3. I'm leaning to Thresh and Leona. I can't hook with Thresh because I'm bad for some reason and the pro players say "walk up to them and flay them". But if so, I'd get kited so hard, right? I want to play Leona but someone said that she's team dependent. I don't know, but her E's hitbox is big af. I'll try her soon enough.

  4. Yea, I'm playing Corki ADC now and I have 5/1 W/L in solo Q. I hope I can get to Silver IV, but "muh silver hell..."

And lastly, can I ask some questions: Sometimes I get really behind as an ADC because my support sucks I'm bad. I go 1/3/1 laning phase and I do no damage in teamfights. I farm, split push, avoid fights (even if I'm not playing Vayne). Is it correct to do so? I don't know how to comeback. For all the ADC games I've won when I'm behind, I usually stop giving a fk about our inhib towers and just split push top lane until their tier II tower. Also, is it worth to give up my tower and continue farming when I lose lane? But their bot lane would come to pressure mid.

Sohleks1 votes

[{quoted}](name=hi im malaysian,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=WGbYLE5J,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2014-12-25T22:58:07.536+0000) Sometimes I get really behind as an ADC because my support sucks I'm bad. I go 1/3/1 laning phase and I do no damage in teamfights. I farm, split push, avoid fights (even if I'm not playing Vayne). Is it correct to do so? I don't know how to comeback. For all the ADC games I've won when I'm behind, I usually stop giving a fk about our inhib towers and just split push top lane until their tier II tower. Also, is it worth to give up my tower and continue farming when I lose lane? But their bot lane would come to pressure mid.

In solo queue if you're losing as ADC and you think the enemy bot lane wants to siege mid it's pretty much always best to push your lane out quickly so they return to lane or lose their tower and farm. Trying to help defend a different lane if you're already weaker and not farming is a losing strategy especially if your own lane is pushed into your side of the map. What happens when your team is not farming waves sitting on your side of the map is that your own minion reinforcements get there sooner. This'll slowly kill more of your side's farm because your side's minion wave piles up, gets stronger and pushes out turning into a fat juicy pile of gold for them to pick up outside their tower. When you learn how to win lane pushing your own lane out and pressuring different parts of the map while warding their passage points in their jungle is a good way to put the pressure on your opponents.

Early/mid game I suggest you count on your mid laner's ability to waveclear and try to get their first tower back if you're behind in this situation especially if you're using an AD with no waveclear like Vayne. If your mid laner doesn't have waveclear then in all likelyhood it's probably best to lose the first mid tower; hold onto it as long as possible but don't die trying to fight outnumbered and outgunned in that situation. T1 towers are not the end of the world in solo queue. I really don't think it's ideal for you to be pushing tier 2 or farther towers on your own though unless your team is already dead and you can't defend against 3+. Might as well get something in that situation. It can really depend if you're playing Vayne or Corki though. Vayne can split push and duel very effectively while Corki is very good at sieges and waveclear.

ceejtank1 votes

I'm only Silver II, but a thing I still need to work on is screening for my adc. When we are ahead and I can all-in and chase people, I play really well, but against a comp that requires I screen and peel, I suffer.

Ways to do this as Nami are literally standing on top of your adc or very near, and landing your bubbles when the assassins and bruisers come a knockin'. That bit of CC when they are trying to unleash their combo usually means your adc can maneuver to safety and blow them up. Make sure you're using your abilities (as stupid as that sounds to say). Put E on your adc just before a fight's about to start, for example.

KIei1 votes

I just wrote 2 huge ass paragraphs and backspaced by accident fml. So I'll sum it up for you

-Land her bubbles, it's key, so learn to predict where your enemy is going. -Use e for engages, chases or fights on adc as he deals additional damage and it slows the enemy. -Use ult for engage for jg or helping to secure the kill. -An ult and bubble follow up is amazing try it. -Depends on what you unlock first. If your team wants to invade, go with q. -Build depending on how the game is going and use your active abilities on your items when needed. -Learn other roles, tell your self you are forbidden to go back to ranked until then, don't always expect to get support. -Pick nami based on team comp, if you don't have a tanky team I suggest a tanky support. -Never pick nami against morg, it's all based on skill at this point but with her shield and your bubble...you could try to bait her shield before going all in but...Idk

Sirin Gioro1 votes

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I just wrote 2 huge ass paragraphs and backspaced by accident fml. So I'll sum it up for you

-Land her bubbles, it's key, so learn to predict where your enemy is going. -Use e for engages, chases or fights on adc as he deals additional damage and it slows the enemy. -Use ult for engage for jg or helping to secure the kill. -An ult and bubble follow up is amazing try it. -Depends on what you unlock first. If your team wants to invade, go with q. -Build depending on how the game is going and use your active abilities on your items when needed. -Learn other roles, tell your self you are forbidden to go back to ranked until then, don't always expect to get support.

Thanks for the tips. I have this problem of having TOO many active items: sightstone, locket of the iron solari, frostqueen's claim, randuins (sometimes), mikaels. It's really overwhelming to even look at them. I always forget to use at least one of them each fight. Do you have any suggestions of which key should I bind them to for randuins, iron solari (AoE) types of active items? I can definitely play other roles especially for ADC (since I main support), but I'm just not confident at all. My mindset is like, "yea this guy took my support role and... Rofl he missed that bubble? k lol this support is... really special." I just go typical toxic ADC main mode when I play ADC.

KIei1 votes

Unfortunately, I do not have suggestions. I just usually place the important items in the 1's or 2's section for quick access and to help remember they're there at all. If you have too many, do what I do and place the most important ones that will be useful in teams fights where you have quick access. And you will have to learn to change your mindset. I main support myself and when I see other people play supp especially when I'm adcing, I'm the same way (especially when they don't buy sightstone or ward...at all) I do go toxic only in my head tho, they can't hear me saying gg this supp needs to uninstall. Just kindly ask them to buy sightstone or give them tips kindly, just don't wait until its too late, like I do. I kept looking at this support lux's items near mid to late and kept it in my head that she needed to buy sightstone and she never bought it until we lost inhib. But most of all ignore those thoughts that go "This supp sucks, if i could've gone supp this game would've been a gg" but lets face it, nothing works out the way you think it will.

Terraeclipse1 votes

I'm a decent Nami. I'm also S3, unranked MMR pulling mid to High golds normally. (lazy in ranked!).

If you want to add me, do so, be glad to do some customs with you and help out. I also have a gold 5 nami main as a friend... she might even be better able to assist you.

Either way, add me if you like.

-T

Terff1 votes

I think its really good to learn every role, not only do you not get stuck in positions that you are unfamiliar with, but you can also fill and play when other people don't want to play a role. Play normals, and mess around with champions for each lane that you find enjoyable, doesn't really matter if you do bad because its normals.

Onegarion1 votes

I'll make this short and because there is so much and no way to properly tell you everything. I'm a Plat 5 Support main (Just got It!!!!!) and I'm also a new streamer. If you would be able to stop by I'll tell you everything I know about supporting and show you in game examples of ways to improve. I've carried myself to Plat being a Support main and swapping secondary roles.

http://www.twitch.tv/onegarion is my twitch account. If you have time and I"m not on watch some of the recent games. I tend to add a little commentary on what I did wrong so you can tell where to improve. I hope to see you come by. Support mains are the best after all.

Level 0 Magikarp1 votes

Yea if you're behind, keep farming, even if you lose your tower. But make sure you have ward coverage. I main botlane (both AD and supp)-- add me and let's play some! Btw, in silver and bronze, never trust people who call ADCs. In my first ranked provisional matches I started off by playing support but it was the most frustrating thing watching ADCs miss farm, get harrassed without harrassing back, and dying stupid deaths. I'd strongly recommend you learn ADC until you climb higher.

Sirin Gioro1 votes

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Yea if you're behind, keep farming, even if you lose your tower. But make sure you have ward coverage. I main botlane (both AD and supp)-- add me and let's play some! Btw, in silver and bronze, never trust people who call ADCs. In my first ranked provisional matches I started off by playing support but it was the most frustrating thing watching ADCs miss farm, get harrassed without harrassing back, and dying stupid deaths. I'd strongly recommend you learn ADC until you climb higher.

Yea, sure, I'll add you after this game. I've asked many gold/plat players to play with me to see how I'm doing but it's like mechanics stuff. I usually ward by myself because never trust your support. I hope you can help me improve myself! Thanks in advance.

OneSlickPhony1 votes

Every time I see "duo bot with ----", I'm dodging. Let me be honest; I have never had a game where the "duo bot pliz"ers haven't fed the other team's ADC to hell. You'd be better off just dodging instead of getting two reports to the face when you take their feeding grounds.

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