I've been maining support for a long time now and I obviously know when to choose spellthiefs over the other gold items for different champions but I never know when/if I should upgrade it into FQC. Are there any champs that it is actually good on?
thepay32 votespoke champs
ModAttysu The Poro2 votesI like getting it on Lulu for that slow.
She's a kiting machine, give her another slow to go along with q and it's op.
Aeolian Melodies2 votesMage and poke oriented supports.
The problem is that Talisman's active surpasses it in pretty much every situation, AND has a shorter CD.
IawfuInoodIe2 votesGood on supports with extra bullets coming from autos like Lulu or Bard. I really hate 
, and I worship 
, but 
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is great for playing Bard or Lulu and also Morgana (which you know).
lofi n chillhop2 votesI like to think about how the game will play out, when I buy my first item. if I'm tank it's between relic shield and amulet coin, if I'm mage/poke it's between amulet coin and spellthief's edge. I guess ocasionally i consider spell thief on blitz, for the added damage, and one combo consumes all the stacks anyway.
if I think I will be passive in lane, I usually go coin. if I'm going to be active trying to poke or skirmish, I'll get the edge. if I'm looking to disengage or make picks, I'll get the frost queen claim. if I think we'll team fight or siege, I get amulet coin upgrade. if the enemy has a lot of staying power, like multiple enemies with dashes, or enemies that don't care about slows, I'll get the amulet coin upgrade.
the thing is, I've gotten kills from the frost queen, and I've found it's better at encouraging my teamates to focus. some times I give movement speed and people don't know what to do with it! but if I slow an enemy, people generally know to target it, or better yet, it's an enemy I've seen trying to flank and my allies haven't yet noticed, somehow I get a thrill out of knowing I've dream crushed someone and only me and them know it :D generally, if I think that the slow will be useful for disengage or pick potential, I always go that path. otherwise I go coin upgrade. oh and, in a very frantic fight, the movement speed usually exaggerates my team's disarray but the frost queen almost always exaggerates the enemy's disarray.
Aeolian Melodies2 votesI like to think about how the game will play out, when I buy my first item. if I'm tank it's between relic shield and amulet coin, if I'm mage/poke it's between amulet coin and spellthief's edge. I guess ocasionally i consider spell thief on blitz, for the added damage, and one combo consumes all the stacks anyway.
if I think I will be passive in lane, I usually go coin. if I'm going to be active trying to poke or skirmish, I'll get the edge. if I'm looking to disengage or make picks, I'll get the frost queen claim. if I think we'll team fight or siege, I get amulet coin upgrade. if the enemy has a lot of staying power, like multiple enemies with dashes, or enemies that don't care about slows, I'll get the amulet coin upgrade.
the thing is, I've gotten kills from the frost queen, and I've found it's better at encouraging my teamates to focus. some times I give movement speed and people don't know what to do with it! but if I slow an enemy, people generally know to target it, or better yet, it's an enemy I've seen trying to flank and my allies haven't yet noticed, somehow I get a thrill out of knowing I've dream crushed someone and only me and them know it :D generally, if I think that the slow will be useful for disengage or pick potential, I always go that path. otherwise I go coin upgrade. oh and, in a very frantic fight, the movement speed usually exaggerates my team's disarray but the frost queen almost always exaggerates the enemy's disarray.
But you can go 
+ 
(granted this item is only good on AP supports) and get both.
lofi n chillhop2 votesif that is your plan than go for it. but sometimes you can't dedicate the second slot to "engage/disengage" and need to get the sup item then go some other build path....
Aeolian Melodies2 votesif that is your plan than go for it. but sometimes you can't dedicate the second slot to "engage/disengage" and need to get the sup item then go some other build path....
I was just pointing out that FQC's active is nothing unique unlike Talisman (yes there's 
but that can only be used offensively whereas Talisman has defensive uses). There is no point upgrading your Spellthief in like 90% of the situations. Even if you're absolutely owning and crushing and want to go full AP on your support you should use your gold on better AP items.
lofi n chillhop1 votesI do agree that spellthief's needs to be buffed, but I was under the impression the discussion of this thread was regarding when it was useful and I was just giving my thoughts regard when I've liked it.
kJs1 votesmage supports or just harass oriented supports who can keep sending their abilities to proc its extra damage and who are too squishy to be focussed on.
WalkingInACircle1 votesNo, even spellthiefs just sucks. The income it gives is too situational. is pretty much dominant, even if you don't finish upgrading it. Just get 
and go for a real AP item.
Aeolian Melodies4 votesNo, even spellthiefs just sucks. The income it gives is too situational.
The income it gives is superior to Coin if you use it properly, which I find many players do not.
Also, on poke champs, the added proc dmg shouldn't be forgotten at early levels. Adding 15 dmg to Sona's infamous Q+Staccato at lvl 1 isn't nothing.
Burgurdura1 votesI don't use it much, but I always thought it's slow missile speed was better for running away than to chase. If you lack a slow, like Morgana, upgrading might be worth it.
Asayake 5150glow1 votes
The only support I'm decent at.
DXHaseoXD1 votes
Feel free to comment if you think I've missed some.
IAMS4T4N1 votesi hate that item
