What exactly should I have done differently in this situation?

GuileRaven·May 5, 2015·1 votes·1,041 views

My entire team fed then blamed me for the loss. First thing that happened, I connected to the room first, then called mid. This Ryze calls mid as well; and insists he got it first. My team refused to say anything until last second; one of them said that I called it first. It's too late to do anything now, so we ended up having to have a duo top. (and he kept insisting during the match that I stole mid from him)

I enter the match as AP ezreal mid. I end up against an AD ezreal mid. We stale mate for a bit, and already my team starts dying in bot. I kill him then shove into his tower, then I go to roam (I couldn't take tower because no sheen and no AD). I catch the enemy jax doing dragon, I kill him and steal dragon. Then I continue to bot and kill their adc. The support escapes, so I recall and go mid with my new Sheen + (the other lichbane piece).

Jax starts camping mid, so I can't over push. I keep poking down the two of them, but because I lack crowed clear; it starts shoving into my tower. I ping for help, no one can come because we have no jungler (not that there is any reason our top laning Shaco couldn't have come).

Jax dives me, I arcane shift out of his dive and kill the ezreal. Jax manages to kill me. He's low, but since we have no jungler he starts hammering my tower knowing full well there is nothing anyone can do about it. Tower is gone before I even respawn.

I come back mid and push it a bit, I don't want to over push because I know I will get ganked by the Jax and Ezreal. So I go back to bot which is again, having trouble. At this point I am literally the only one with kills. Jax and Ezreal start pushing into the second tower while I am busy in an intense match in bot. I could not recall, and even if I did they would have done the exact same thing they did earlier and traded 1 to kill me, and the other would have finished the tower; so I decide to stay a bit longer and kill both the support and adc, but I die. Instead of taking their tower, my team recalls to defend mid (all 4 of them); and starts bitching that I lost it. (mean while both top and bot get lost while they are busy fighting jax and ezreal)

By the end of the match everyone on both teams was saying that I sucked and that my team lost because I lost mid. If I didn't leave mid we would have lost it anyways because they can just shove it into tower repeatedly and I would fall behind in CS because of no crowd control and the tower would have gone down over time. Meanwhile bot would have been lost as well.

The enemy jax said that my team would have caught up if I held mid; the same team that didn't make a single kill the entire match. They didn't even so much as complete an item (I had lichbane, sorcerer boots, and the two parts of a rabadons). They didn't even get very many assists either, as I had to kill people myself.

19 Comments

KougaMay 5, 20152 votes

Don't sweat the small stuff. It was one round, it sounds like you did what you could.

Accept it, learn from it, move on. Worrying about what you should have done doesn't fix anything for you.

GuileRavenMay 5, 20151 votes

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Don't sweat the small stuff. It was one round, it sounds like you did what you could.

Accept it, learn from it, move on. Worrying about what you should have done doesn't fix anything for you.

Isn't "knowing what you should have done" the whole point of "learning from it"?

GodhriMay 5, 20151 votes

There's nothing you could have done. Your team was obviously trash. To be fair though, you really should have stayed mid and just taken jungle farm while your lane is pushed up.

Something else you could do if you're worried about being ganked while pushing is ward. As Ezreal, it should be easy for you to escape if you see them coming via ward.

I'm not saying your team would have caught up or won but I think based on what you told me that staying mid and warding as well as just taking jungle farm is the better course of action.

GuileRavenMay 5, 20151 votes

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There's nothing you could have done. Your team was obviously trash. To be fair though, you really should have stayed mid and just taken jungle farm while your lane is pushed up.

Something else you could do if you're worried about being ganked while pushing is ward. As Ezreal, it should be easy for you to escape if you see them coming via ward.

I'm not saying your team would have caught up or won but I think based on what you told me that staying mid and warding as well as just taking jungle farm is the better course of action.

Hmm... I didn't think of doing the jungle. All though I question whether an AP ezreal would have been able to handle it and still have enough health to defend lane. Wards are great and all, but both Ezreal and Jax have gap closers, combine that with stun and snipe and well...

GodhriMay 5, 20152 votes

there is a way to do jungle farm while minimizing the damage you take from the monsters. I haven't mastered that myself but I've seen people do it. Given your items that I saw, I think you would have been fine. Lure out and kill the smaller monsters first then lose the aggro after the death of each small monster. Once that is done, you can go for the big one.

My point about the warding is that you would see them coming from a bit away. They can't close the gap in time if you see them in time. You will be able to escape. This is a matter of map awareness.

GuileRavenMay 5, 20151 votes

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there is a way to do jungle farm while minimizing the damage you take from the monsters. I haven't mastered that myself but I've seen people do it. Given your items that I saw, I think you would have been fine. Lure out and kill the smaller monsters first then lose the aggro after the death of each small monster. Once that is done, you can go for the big one.

Interesting, I'll have to try that and see how well it works with AP ez. I did something similar with I jungled AD ez as a joke, but it was still rough.

My point about the warding is that you would see them coming from a bit away. They can't close the gap in time if you see them in time. You will be able to escape. This is a matter of map awareness.

Only if they chose that path way, and didn't for example; go through the empty jungle to cut me off from my tower. People tend to overestimate Ezreal's mobility. He's got a good short burst that makes him impossible to target in a team fight, but if he's by himself he's actually pretty easy to run down because of his low movement speed and long cooldown. Especially if you are Jax. He's basically a great sprinter but shitty marathon runner.

KougaMay 5, 20154 votes

Yes, but giving a whole run down of the entire game is more work than is worth it. Every mistake compounds on the next one. The entire situation started because your team lacked communication and had a poor composition. So that's the first place you can learn from.

It wasn't clear from your post whether how long you guys had in team select to choose roles. You said you picked mid, and then Ryze picked mid. Did he say it when you both had 20+ seconds to figure it out? Then you should have tried to talk to him, "Hey, sorry but I called it first", or else change your own role to fit the team.

I'm just saying that I wouldn't recommend obsessing over one game; just hit "Play Again" and try again next time.

But if you want to know what you should do?

My entire team fed then blamed me for the loss.

Accept that you are part of that team. You may very well have done everything you could reasonably do, but if your mindset is "THEY ruined MY game" then you're not going to get anywhere fast. Like it or not, you win together, and you lose together.

When someone else suggested you should have picked a better role, you said "* was my last match of the day, I really really wanted to play AP Ezreal because I haven't in weeks.*" Instead of accepting that you made a choice that, in some part, contributed to your loss. And your teammates, for not communicating with you better, did too.

I'm not seeing someone who wants to improve their play, I'm seeing someone who just wants to be feel validated that it wasn't their fault.

So my suggestion: don't sweat it. Just play another round.

GuileRavenMay 5, 20151 votes

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Yes, but giving a whole run down of the entire game is more work than is worth it. Every mistake compounds on the next one. The entire situation started because your team lacked communication and had a poor composition. So that's the first place you can learn from.

I will admit, I was mostly venting, but I am honestly looking to see if other people have been in similar situations but managed to turn it around.

It wasn't clear from your post whether how long you guys had in team select to choose roles. You said you picked mid, and then Ryze picked mid. Did he say it when you both had 20+ seconds to figure it out? Then you should have tried to talk to him, "Hey, sorry but I called it first", or else change your own role to fit the team.

We had the full 20 seconds to figure it out, but no one said anything for the longest time. He insisted he got it, I said that one of us had a latency issue and that we needed to ask someone else; and everyone stayed silent till last second. When the ADC pointed out that I got mid, and since Ryze is a regular top laner; I thought it was solved. Shaco didn't call his lane, I actually thought he was jungle till I noticed he didn't have smite (this was after it auto locked everyone in). I was like "shaco yo u forgot smite", then he said he was going top, and my immediate thought was; "we're fucked".

But if you want to know what you should do?

Accept that you are part of that team. You may very well have done everything you could reasonably do, but if your mindset is "THEY ruined MY game" then you're not going to get anywhere fast. Like it or not, you win together, and you lose together.

Fair enough. While I didn't care that everyone was feeding at first, I must admit; when they started bitching at me, I did kind of bitch back. Maybe that effected the team synergy.

GodhriMay 5, 20152 votes

You guys would have lost late game anyway. Your team comp was garbage. Shaco was building AP so he couldn't be tanky and thresh was building like a troll. No tank and their team had strong engage.

lofi n chillhopMay 5, 20152 votes

ideas:

you coulda been the honorable one and switch roles in champ select. if you go into blind pick dead set on a role, you're gonna have games with an awkward disjointed team like this one... but going in willing to be flexible greatly decreases that chance.
you coulda gone to the duo lane and let the other person mid, then when they are being camped go help out. it isn't that long of a walk, and leaving your lane partner in a 1v1 lane isn't that big a sacrifice.
you actually could push the lane.. then roam imediately.
buy a ward, and put a trinket on one side and a ward on the other. don't put it in the bush, but rather beyond the bush, so you see jax coming. of course if jax starts farming your jungle, he can sneak behind you.. good spots I like are in the bush behind red buff, or in the opening to river there. then on blue side, putting it in that bush behind blue buff gives you some vision of river and of the jungle path there, but it isn't perfect, and in that bush in river gives you complete vision of river, but not of the jungle path, and if you put the ward tucked behing that thick wall there you have great vision of the jungle path but no vision of river. in your situation, i guess I'd put a ward in the opening to the river from their red side, and the trinket in the river brush, and hang on the side of the lane closer to the ward, so that if he came from his blue jungle i had more time to run, but if he came from river or his red jungle i'd see him coming anyway and it wouldn't be close, an easy walk back to my turret. the only blind spot then, is if he is in my team's blue jungle... and remember, as ezreal you have two flashes if you need them to get back to tower, easy to play safe. you even have a long range q to farm with, so that you can safely farm a pushed lane and not be to far from the turret.
you could just do the same thing you did.. but accept that some games are bad games, because the skill gap between your team and the enemy team is too great. match making trys to match teams evenly, but there is always gonna be a little bit of a skill gap, and sometimes it's a bigger gap. just leave the losses behind you, don't let it get under your skin. always try your best, but remember that sometimes your best isn't enough and that is OK. even the best players in the world lose games, you know :)

ZergReapMay 5, 20151 votes

Your problem will most likely be solved by playing draft or team builer. Normal blind pick is terrible.

GuileRavenMay 5, 20151 votes

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Your problem will most likely be solved by playing draft or team builer. Normal blind pick is terrible.

Blind isn't usually that bad, and draft takes forever and I never get the lane I am in the mood for (I can play them all, but I would rather get to pick). Team builder also takes forever, as no one wants support, I only use it if I am the one in the mood to be support.

The thing is, multiple people on both teams said I sucked. Am I just too full of myself to see what I did wrong? I honestly don't see how the match would have gone any better if I did as everyone said. At least this way I got to have "some" fun by going around picking people off. Though that was quite ruined by bitchy teammates, and shit talking opponents.

I mean I have been told before that I roam a little too much as Ezreal; but I kind of feel like AP ezreal needs a few early kills to be effective; and I have a high win rate with him.

ZergReapMay 5, 20152 votes

People love to blame their team and once one person says something it can turn the whole team on you. "gg this ezreal is garbage" and what not. Yes you did mess up in champ select, but it happens. The best thing to do is not even respond to your team mates being toxic.

What I meant by blind pick being terrible is that from my experience the players are generally more toxic and troll-y.

Hell WeekMay 5, 20151 votes

you couldve played w/e roll was open. either way when you get players who insist in just 1 role, chances are that the match wont go in your favor.

GuileRavenMay 5, 20151 votes

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you couldve played w/e roll was open. either way when you get players who insist in just 1 role, chances are that the match wont go in your favor.

It was my last match of the day, I really really wanted to play AP Ezreal because I haven't in weeks.

Skilled TheoryMay 5, 20151 votes

You just have to accept the fact that some games are unwinnable.

T RexHasLongLegsMay 5, 20151 votes

My first suggestion on the game would be don't play blind pick.

Second more serious would be copy paste the chat log that shows you called it first if you're gonna play blind, so then it supports your case. Also don't lock until you're sure you'll get the role, as sometimes since it is blind pick an insta lock or someone who just doesn't care bc it's blind pick will take the role regardless of calling it and you have t choose if it is worth it to lock the role you want or fill something else.

GuileRavenMay 8, 20151 votes

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Second more serious would be copy paste the chat log that shows you called it first if you're gonna play blind, so then it supports your case. Also don't lock until you're sure you'll get the role, as sometimes since it is blind pick an insta lock or someone who just doesn't care bc it's blind pick will take the role regardless of calling it and you have t choose if it is worth it to lock the role you want or fill something else.

Pasting the chat log is completely meaningless. Not only is it rather simple to alter the log before changing it, but someone experiencing latency will have a log that says they are the ones who called it first.

Now of course, a rather simple method of solving the latter issue is to look at who connected to the match first; but unfortunately no one does that.

T RexHasLongLegsMay 10, 20151 votes

Yeah, I was just saying supports, not matters. Most of the time I'll copy past my log if two people do this in bots (I don't play blind pick for that reason), so someone can see that they logged in second. Even then it is blind so they may auto lock so they can say sorry already locked, which is why I said the only way to really avoid this is not play blind or don't lock, just hover your champ and fill if someone takes the role you wanted.

It would be a really simple fix for riot to change this though. Saw a thread a while back on it about how they could just make the client post after it pings the server for all chat entry instead of just posting local chat and then pinging the server to send to teammates. Then you wouldn't have it where someone sees it on theirs as them first bc their comp posted it to their log immediately, and everyone else sees it the reverse order bc of how one person pings the server before the other, but both people see themselves as first since they post to their own immediately and then to others through the server. (Of course 3 others see the correct order too, but as you said chat logs can be altered nd people can lie.)