Then someone, anyone, please explain what the fuck I did wrong in this game. My ADC didn't farm. My jungle built god knows what. Literally, every lane lost. I tried my best to roam. Help others out. Silence the enemy team in team fights. I did my best. My team did sub-par.
Blade of Justic6 votesI never bought into that "It's not your team, it's you." thing.
If you told all 5 people on the team that, then it's technically wrong.
Gandalf0108122 votes[{quoted}](name=Blade of Justic,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=GyMBty3u,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-09-12T02:00:28.390+0000)
I never bought into that "It's not your team, it's you." thing.
If you told all 5 people on the team that, then it's technically wrong.
Ditto. I just see it as another bullshit cliche line to throw around to make a point. This doesn't mean that it's always everyone else's fault. But there are times when your team really does screw you over.
LaceUp234 votesDude, this game is literally completely random whether you win or lose. It just depends on who gets more feeders on their team. Unless you are like a plat smurf in silver, there is nothing you can do. All you can do is play your lane and watch your team start the game 1-19.
Sad Robot Amumu2 votesNot every game is winnable, regardless of how well you play. When people say "You should blame yourself", that doesn't mean that you should shoot yourself in the foot everytime you lose, but that you should analyze what you could have done better in each game, whether you win or lose. Yes, your team likely screwed up and threw the game in a way that one soraka cannot make them win, but instead of going "I didn't do anything wrong fml this team", you should be asking yourself what you can improve on, regardless of whether that would have made your team win the game. Could you have shot called better? Could you have roamed or pinged more? Could you have advised your team on their builds? Did you land every Q that you could have, or ever missed a vital W or R that could have saved a teammate?
Anyway, this thread seems more to be of a "Omg look at how bad my team is" than an actual thread asking for help. I'd advise that you change your attitude to a more positive one and look to the next game for improvement instead of kicking dirt into your teammates and then sarcastically asking what you did wrong. When people say to blame yourself, they're not saying your teammates can't screw things up, but that how badly your team screws up shouldn't affect how you analyze your abilities and the possible improvements you could have made.
Take the advice with a grain of salt, as I am a bronzie, but a good mental attitude helps you win more and have more fun than just blaming your teammates.
TSM Resonance1 votesNot every game is winnable, regardless of how well you play. When people say "You should blame yourself", that doesn't mean that you should shoot yourself in the foot everytime you lose, but that you should analyze what you could have done better in each game, whether you win or lose. Yes, your team likely screwed up and threw the game in a way that one soraka cannot make them win, but instead of going "I didn't do anything wrong fml this team", you should be asking yourself what you can improve on, regardless of whether that would have made your team win the game. Could you have shot called better? Could you have roamed or pinged more? Could you have advised your team on their builds? Did you land every Q that you could have, or ever missed a vital W or R that could have saved a teammate?
I agreed with you until right here. Then you fucked up.
Anyway, this thread seems more to be of a "Omg look at how bad my team is" than an actual thread asking for help. I'd advise that you change your attitude to a more positive one and look to the next game for improvement instead of kicking dirt into your teammates and then sarcastically asking what you did wrong. When people say to blame yourself, they're not saying your teammates can't screw things up, but that how badly your team screws up shouldn't affect how you analyze your abilities and the possible improvements you could have made.
Take the advice with a grain of salt, as I am a bronzie, but a good mental attitude helps you win more and have more fun than just blaming your teammates.
It's bullshit that I played my role to a T, whilst every lane lost. I'm not saying I'm perfect, but I definitely played my role to the best of my ability. With the way I played that, I didn't deserve to lose. My team failed to initiate when I had them Silenced. It was a free fight. Most of them are reliant on spells, so the fight was easily winable with one 
engage with a 
ultimate.
Rabid Husky1 votesok how do you get this as sarcasm? hes talking about how whenever you seek advice they always say "it's your fault not your team mates", you can play a game perfectly, win lane, get fed, but if 2 people on the enemy team get fed there's only so much one person can do. not everyone plays perfect even pros whiff spells and be honest unless they ask they wont listen to your build suggestions.
over all the idea of everything being your fault is both brilliant and retarded (in the actual definition of not learning) the idea of it is question yourself, keep humility, don't think your perfect or that your a pro that could 1v1 faker. the stupidity of it is people just say it without actually thinking about it making it come across as sorta attacking, people don't take criticism well especially when they get advice that isn't as obvious and can easily come across as being toxic. i think a better replacement is "blame yourself and your team" or "it's everyones fault" no matter how fed you are one person cannot 1v5 especially a support.
just one more thing your post is super wishywashy from being nice to blaming the guy yes a good mental attitude is key but this is about how everyone says "its your fault not your teams" when you ask for advice
Kurosai2 votes"It's Always Your Fault. Not Your Team's."
wrong, it's always jungler's fault read the rules please :)
Möral Support1 votesu fed two kills obv.
TSM Resonance1 votesYou got me there. I'm a feeder.
HTM Neru1 votesWhat can I say, can't win every game. There is nothing wrong with your jungler's build. Also did they have a duo top lane?
TSM Resonance3 votesYes. He should have went Cinderhulk. Runeglave and Frozen Heart just don't make sense. Either go tank, or damage.
HTM Neru1 votes[{quoted}](name=TSM Resonance,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=GyMBty3u,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-09-12T01:58:58.344+0000)
Yes. He should have went Cinderhulk. Runeglave and Frozen Heart just don't make sense. Either go tank, or damage.
Well I don't play Malphite so I don't know much about Runeglaive on him but it's not like its a troll item like Zhonia's on Vi. Frozen Heart is fine though.
tseihei1 votes19 wards placed in a 30+ minute game... Only bought one pink ward... Only cleared 2 wards....
You did not play support well.
TSM Resonance2 votesI only needed one pink ward. It wasn't cleared.
Kei1434 votesIf you didn't know .... Your pinks (& regular wards as well) should be moving according to your objects
Just because it wasn't cleared, doesn't mean you don't move them.
tseihei1 votes[{quoted}](name=TSM Resonance,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=GyMBty3u,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2015-09-12T13:07:24.023+0000)
I only needed one pink ward. It wasn't cleared.
And where exactly was this ward? If you place the first in your jungle for countering dragon wards, when drag is down you can place it for baron. When they are driving when they got baron because you ward like shit, you can place a pink to kill wards placed in your base. Once they stop seiging to take drag, replace the ward to put it into your jungle for counter drag pressure.
If it was never cleared, it probably didn't grant worthwhile vision anyways.
TSM Resonance1 votesI placed it by my team's blue buff. I could have placed limitless wards in this game, and my teammates would have still found a way to feed.
alfavhunter2 votes[{quoted}](name=TSM Resonance,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=GyMBty3u,comment-id=0004000000010000,timestamp=2015-09-13T18:49:37.643+0000)
I placed it by my team's blue buff. I could have placed limitless wards in this game, and my teammates would have still found a way to feed.
I understand, I main support and I see enemy coming ping it go to tower (and occasionally just leave depending on the situation if defending will likely mean I and the tower die) and my adc... Just farms the lane till the jungler is on him and it's a 2v3 but I no I can't save him and I'm not going to give them a second kill intentionally
I ward in ways that helps protect bot and mid lane from ganks, I roam to gank mid when I can... There's only so much the support can do to carry
LaceUp232 votesYeah, I imagine there was a lot of map to ward when they were stuck in the base.
tseihei1 votesYeah, I imagine there was a lot of map to ward when they were stuck in the base.
Mabey the reason they are stuck in base is due to shitty warding...
alfavhunter1 votesMabey the reason they are stuck in base is due to shitty warding...
Then maybe the non supports should be warding a bit because each player can only place 3 stealth wards and one pink, and when your behind all pink wards do is give the enemy team more gold because you don't have the power to defend the pink
TSM Resonance1 votesYeah, go suck a chode.
alfavhunter1 votes19 wards placed in a 30+ minute game... Only bought one pink ward... Only cleared 2 wards....
You did not play support well.
Well with FREE trinkets the support no longer should be the sole supplier or wards
19 wards placed, 3 minute duration on wards (or was it 2?) so 19/3 is just over 6 waves (3/3) of wards so 6X3 is 18 minutes of wards, we will give 2 more minutes of "coverage" for death timer and start of game timer, so 20 minutes of wards not including pinks
Now we look at laning phase, you really only need to be dropping 2 to prevent jungler ganks, so we will add the 5 min of laning so that's 25 minutes of realistic ward coverage. The last 5 min are probably due to it being to unsafe to even try to go ward...
And if you think vision is the problem of why you are losing a game, maybe you should put some wards down with your FREE trinket instead of blaiming the support
tseihei1 votesWell with FREE trinkets the support no longer should be the sole supplier or wards
19 wards placed, 3 minute duration on wards (or was it 2?) so 19/3 is just over 6 waves (3/3) of wards so 6X3 is 18 minutes of wards, we will give 2 more minutes of "coverage" for death timer and start of game timer, so 20 minutes of wards not including pinks
Now we look at laning phase, you really only need to be dropping 2 to prevent jungler ganks, so we will add the 5 min of laning so that's 25 minutes of realistic ward coverage. The last 5 min are probably due to it being to unsafe to even try to go ward...
And if you think vision is the problem of why you are losing a game, maybe you should put some wards down with your FREE trinket instead of blaiming the support
The math of the first is correct, but also under the assumption that you never replace any wards. Many people will clear your wards, and even if they don't you should still place new ones to better fit the situation the game is in
If it is unsafe to ward, it means there has been a gap in time when you let them die off before renewing them. This means that you should, even if you don't put wards in different spots, be placing wards ever 2mins 30s.
On your 3rd point, why are you making this about me? I'm making the point that they did not play well to the role in that game. Not to mention that you shouldn't ever depend on your team to ward simply because they will choose not to.
I'll take your next post as a 4th point, by the logic of just giving them gold by placing pinks. If the pink ward is placed and you kill 1 ward with it, then its a 30g swing. This means that when they kill it, they are only profiting about 30g. This doesn't involve if you kill two/three wards with one pink. This also doesn't consider that one pink may allow your team to farm a jungle camp safely. So if you get 30 gold for killing a ward, then your mid takes wolves for lets say 80g( which is low balling) you still don't lose that much.
alfavhunter1 votesThe math of the first is correct, but also under the assumption that you never replace any wards. Many people will clear your wards, and even if they don't you should still place new ones to better fit the situation the game is in
If it is unsafe to ward, it means there has been a gap in time when you let them die off before renewing them. This means that you should, even if you don't put wards in different spots, be placing wards ever 2mins 30s.
On your 3rd point, why are you making this about me? I'm making the point that they did not play well to the role in that game. Not to mention that you shouldn't ever depend on your team to ward simply because they will choose not to.
I'll take your next post as a 4th point, by the logic of just giving them gold by placing pinks. If the pink ward is placed and you kill 1 ward with it, then its a 30g swing. This means that when they kill it, they are only profiting about 30g. This doesn't involve if you kill two/three wards with one pink. This also doesn't consider that one pink may allow your team to farm a jungle camp safely. So if you get 30 gold for killing a ward, then your mid takes wolves for lets say 80g( which is low balling) you still don't lose that much.
My point was that the support in the referee to match didn't have ward coverage issues, he (or she) did his part with the wards
The unsafe warding time of 5 min was your team being to far behind to even leave base to ward or even refresh wards, because the enemy is now in your jungle, you no going out to ward will get you killed, so you offer minimal ward coverage at the safest spots to ward, even if that's just right outside the walls of your base, but the support did nothing wrong in the referee to instance with wards, I didn't watch a replay of the game so I can't say more on anything than what I do was provided by the post I refers to
tseihei1 votesMy point was that the support in the referee to match didn't have ward coverage issues, he (or she) did his part with the wards
The unsafe warding time of 5 min was your team being to far behind to even leave base to ward or even refresh wards, because the enemy is now in your jungle, you no going out to ward will get you killed, so you offer minimal ward coverage at the safest spots to ward, even if that's just right outside the walls of your base, but the support did nothing wrong in the referee to instance with wards, I didn't watch a replay of the game so I can't say more on anything than what I do was provided by the post I refers to
And my point is that they in fact did not do their job, they did not carry their weight.
Since raka can use her abilities to reveal vision in bushes you can still get 3 wards out, replacing the 1st to put a 4th on baron, or drag, and putting a pink at some place like raptors.
alfavhunter1 votesAnd my point is that they in fact did not do their job, they did not carry their weight.
Since raka can use her abilities to reveal vision in bushes you can still get 3 wards out, replacing the 1st to put a 4th on baron, or drag, and putting a pink at some place like raptors.
Nice, Raka can get vision... Now what happens when she does see someone with her spells vision? Run up to bush and ward to die? No. She doesn't ward and turns around instead
That is what I meant by unsafe to ward, when you go out to ward you use what u have for vision but then... If you see them where u want to ward, you aren't going to run to them, ward, then get out alive, so you see them and turn around, resulting in less wards placed, in this instance the support did nothing wrong, it reduced her ward count, but didn't get her killed. There are times when not placing the ward is the best option, you need to understand that, and how it can reduce your wards placed per a game
tseihei1 votesNice, Raka can get vision... Now what happens when she does see someone with her spells vision? Run up to bush and ward to die? No. She doesn't ward and turns around instead
That is what I meant by unsafe to ward, when you go out to ward you use what u have for vision but then... If you see them where u want to ward, you aren't going to run to them, ward, then get out alive, so you see them and turn around, resulting in less wards placed, in this instance the support did nothing wrong, it reduced her ward count, but didn't get her killed. There are times when not placing the ward is the best option, you need to understand that, and how it can reduce your wards placed per a game
So you see them over by raptors, then use the fact that you can ward over walls to ward behind blue, use hour sweeping lens to check for wards there. Then go to your blue and ward it, based on the side of the map, you can then place your 3rd ward at baron, drag , or some other place if needed. The same pattern goes for if you see them near your blue. Place wards where they are not at, that is the idea.
alfavhunter1 votesSo you see them over by raptors, then use the fact that you can ward over walls to ward behind blue, use hour sweeping lens to check for wards there. Then go to your blue and ward it, based on the side of the map, you can then place your 3rd ward at baron, drag , or some other place if needed. The same pattern goes for if you see them near your blue. Place wards where they are not at, that is the idea.
Only when you know where all 5 are
tseihei1 votesOnly when you know where all 5 are
late game people group up, you know that people are going to be where you see one. One person being far enough up that you can't ward there means that there are going to be 4-5 people near them. You don't always have to see people to know where they are at.
alfavhunter1 voteslate game people group up, you know that people are going to be where you see one. One person being far enough up that you can't ward there means that there are going to be 4-5 people near them. You don't always have to see people to know where they are at.
Welcome to the erratic gameplay of lower ranked games or normals, where nothing is as it should be, I don't play ranked much because I'm not seeking the stress that is ranked, I get toxic, trolls, or feeder/Adler on most of my ranked games with everyone constantly screaming at each other, I got this for all playecemts and the few ranked I have played after that, which is why I play normals
And in normals, nothing is typical or predictable
tseihei1 votesWelcome to the erratic gameplay of lower ranked games or normals, where nothing is as it should be, I don't play ranked much because I'm not seeking the stress that is ranked, I get toxic, trolls, or feeder/Adler on most of my ranked games with everyone constantly screaming at each other, I got this for all playecemts and the few ranked I have played after that, which is why I play normals
And in normals, nothing is typical or predictable
Have you ever considered that some people may smurf, and as such know that playing in lower elos really means nothing different as far as gameplay? I actually spend a lot of games in teambuilder, and the lower elos play badly, but the level of trolls/afk/and rage isn't really different from high plat and low diamonds( considered as one of the worst places as far as toxicity by some.)
Its as if people believe that "high ranked" players have never played a normal or "lower ranked" game....
alfavhunter1 votesHave you ever considered that some people may smurf, and as such know that playing in lower elos really means nothing different as far as gameplay? I actually spend a lot of games in teambuilder, and the lower elos play badly, but the level of trolls/afk/and rage isn't really different from high plat and low diamonds( considered as one of the worst places as far as toxicity by some.)
Its as if people believe that "high ranked" players have never played a normal or "lower ranked" game....
I gave why I personally don't play ranked, then stated that I mainly play normals (to help share how I got my point of view), and the "typical" pattern never applies to normal, because of how random it can be in each persons play style you can't assume that because you see one person somewhere, the rest of their team is near them
You seem to be taking a lot of my comments as attacks, which they aren't, sorry for the confusion
tseihei1 votesI gave why I personally don't play ranked, then stated that I mainly play normals (to help share how I got my point of view), and the "typical" pattern never applies to normal, because of how random it can be in each persons play style you can't assume that because you see one person somewhere, the rest of their team is near them
You seem to be taking a lot of my comments as attacks, which they aren't, sorry for the confusion
what? this:
I main support, it's rly hard to climb as a support. And I'm still at the rating that I get "those" teammates, considering I do solo and duo Q. It's hard to climb, and I find it so frustrating that I rarely play ranked. It's to much toxic for me so I mainly play normals, but I still got to gold with almost no ranked games played so I get the rewards and I'm happy. 😆
is stating your opinion and emotions.
Welcome to the erratic gameplay of lower ranked games or normals, where nothing is as it should be, I don't play ranked much because I'm not seeking the stress that is ranked, I get toxic, trolls, or feeder/Adler on most of my ranked games with everyone constantly screaming at each other, I got this for all playecemts and the few ranked I have played after that, which is why I play normals
And in normals, nothing is typical or predictable
This is a reply to my post as to disagree with my comment. If you want to state random opinions, that is where general discussion and miscellaneous are for. This is tips and tricks, a place where people ask questions, and we give answers as to how they could improve their play.
You are admitting to doing the first, and therefore I see no reason that your posts have to be here.
Scramrail1 votesI don't think the idea of "its always your fault" is suppose to be taken literally. I believe its intended effect is to point out that even if you played better than your teammates, you still didn't play perfectly and should instead focus on the mistakes you made yourself in an effort to improve, rather than just throw your hands up in defeat at being matched with newer players.
Shroom Junkie1 votesI think when people say that they mean if you can't climb its your fault.
alfavhunter1 votesI think when people say that they mean if you can't climb its your fault.
I main support, it's rly hard to climb as a support. And I'm still at the rating that I get "those" teammates, considering I do solo and duo Q. It's hard to climb, and I find it so frustrating that I rarely play ranked. It's to much toxic for me so I mainly play normals, but I still got to gold with almost no ranked games played so I get the rewards and I'm happy. 😆
tseihei1 votesSo because your team sucks you are entitled to suck more? Gj on becoming the average silver player. Gj on coming to a part of the forums based on self improvement, and turning into you personal venting service where you deny any help at all.
At the end of the day, you have to blame your teammates because you can't face the fact that you are just another worthless support that can't even do their job.
Caperx1 votesSome games are unwinnable (Some). But a Vast majority of the games you lose there is always something you can do. As you get more time and experience you can learn from your mistakes. You are the only constant in all your games. You are the only thing you can change. Everyone gets "those kinds of teamates" on there team a majority of their games. Solo isn't Luck. Sure theres a tiny % chance a noob player can have a lucky streak and climb but its rare.
There is a reason people consistently climb each season with ease to the rating they max out at. You will never win or climb more when you try to find blame on anyone in your team but you. There is always something you could do better this includes for pro players. If you are someone who is constantly blameing your team you won't climb. The only thing you can do is admit there is so much more you can do to vastly improve your chances of winning.
If you continuously focus on yourself rather then blameing other players who are playing poorly on your team your winrate will increase. Record your games rewatch them. You might not even see your mistakes until you understand the game better. Find a higher level player ask him to spectate you and point out things you could do to improve. Not every game is winnable but you can win a lot more games if you learn to stop blaming your teamates and focus on yourself.
I was stuck in silver 5 for the longest time, I convinced myself it was trolls on my team who feed repeatedly. After months of raging a friend of mine said let me spectate your games. AS I told him I am so much better then everyone in this elo (Turned out I was ass). And he pointed out multiple things I was doing terribly. After talking with him I decided to give it a shot his way. And then for the first time in months I started to climb slowly at first but more climbing then I had done in months. And I would continue to pick apart my games asses to the best of my knowledge what more could I do.
Some examples, I bought more wards and I warded my teammates lanes who where over extending with no vision. I would ward enemys jungle to track enemy jungler. I would make sure I was watching map more to warn my team when people were coming. I wouldn't try to 1v1 someons lane when they aren't there when I don't understand the matchup and different power levels. I still have a lot to learn and I still need to figure out ways to improve its a never ending cycle unless your faker.
Every Division has "Those kinds of team members ". Look It's a giant wall of text with massive grammar mistakes so let me TLDR THIS BISH. You are the only constant in every single one of your games. Some games you can't win. You belong in the division you are in. If you think you should be higher Look at your own gameplay and improve. Good luck on the rift summoners.
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