Can We Give Fizz's Playful/Trickster Some Counterplay?

TSM Resonance·Mar 1, 2016·8 votes·958 views

Perhaps put it on a longer cooldown, like 20-25 seconds? Or keep the same cooldown and make it similar to Tristana's rocket jump?

16 Comments

xl Kirito lxMar 1, 20169 votes

It's really all he has going for him at this point -- Don't get me wrong, it's annoying and I'd love more counterplay to it, but this probably isn't the right way to go about it.

TSM ResonanceMar 1, 20161 votes

There's no reason for it to have a four second cooldown at maximum CDR.

UncertaintyMar 1, 20162 votes

PREACH!

IcyPepperMar 1, 20161 votes

I don't really think the response to that is "PREACH!", honestly. :/

It's more of an opener for a wider discussion about Fizz's balance (could we buff other abilities, change other abilities, change how his E works, etc) than a conversation-ending sermon.

You could actually add to it, even if you're in agreement. Elaborate on points he might have missed, or give insight to the rest of us.

UncertaintyMar 2, 20161 votes

I did previously if you looked further into the post... I was just saying that to agree, sorry I wasn't technical enough for you to say, "I agree." I'll try that one next time Kappa.

UncertaintyMar 1, 20167 votes

His entire kit is based around it and the counter play is dodging it by playing ranged champions. (Ahri q speed up, Leblanc w, kayle w for speed up) He's the only melee mid laner who doesn't have a ranged attack in their kit. Talon has w, Zed has w q, Yasuo has q (I know its short ranged but its better than fizz range) and so having it that low of a cooldown isnt that bad, especially when early game its pretty expoitable level 1-5 if he misses it or even if he hits it and you can kite back. He's kind of like Kassadin, you don't see people complaining that Kassadin is op, even though is ult has like a 2 second cd late game lol.

Purple DeathMar 1, 20161 votes

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His entire kit is based around it and the counter play is dodging it by playing ranged champions. (Ahri q speed up, Leblanc w, kayle w for speed up) He's the only melee mid laner who doesn't have a ranged attack in their kit. Talon has w, Zed has w q, Yasuo has q (I know its short ranged but its better than fizz range) and so having it that low of a cooldown isnt that bad, especially when early game its pretty expoitable level 1-5 if he misses it or even if he hits it and you can kite back. He's kind of like Kassadin, you don't see people complaining that Kassadin is op, even though is ult has like a 2 second cd late game lol.

Kassadins ult has to be used like 4 times before it is the same damage as fizz.

UncertaintyMar 1, 20161 votes

Damage is irrelevent when they are talking about conterplay mobility wise. If he's saying it should be like tristana jump he isnt talking about the damage aspect hes talkinga bout the mobility.

AaravosMar 1, 20165 votes

Just the weekly "incrase the cooldow on Playful/Trickster" thread for some upvote farming.

TSM ResonanceMar 1, 20161 votes

If it's a weekly post, then odds are, it's broken.

Dominick DestineMar 1, 20162 votes

That would be great.

Truly PridefulMar 1, 20162 votes

Even doubling the current cooldown would help. The cooldown is insanely low for how powerful it is.

TSM ResonanceMar 1, 20161 votes

Downvote this all you want, but it's true that this champion having a basic skill that completely removes him from the game breaks the game. If Fizz is locked in on the enemy team, you lose.

EndogenicMar 1, 20163 votes

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Downvote this all you want, but it's true that this champion having a basic skill that completely removes him from the game breaks the game. If Fizz is locked in on the enemy team, you lose.

Then what about if Fizz is locked in on your own team, does the enemy team lose?

How come Fizz's winrate hovers around 50%, give or take a percentage point for deviation?

How come I can easily smash Fizz if I vs. him in midlane because I know his strengths and weaknesses?

How come because of this, I am more likely to win if the enemy picks Fizz?

Fisherman FízzMar 1, 20162 votes

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Then what about if Fizz is locked in on your own team, does the enemy team lose?

How come Fizz's winrate hovers around 50%, give or take a percentage point for deviation?

How come I can easily smash Fizz if I vs. him in midlane because I know his strengths and weaknesses?

How come because of this, I am more likely to win if the enemy picks Fizz?

That's why you don't see much of Fizz picked in higher elo. People can abuse his weakneses in laning phase.

Fisherman FízzMar 1, 20161 votes

That's why he has a 50% winrate -.-