Ashe's new armory?

Need Gold 4 Tent·May 15, 2015·1 votes·909 views

Unless the new damage system for still works on crit damage (i.e. fake crits like E and Q), I feel that has a wasted portion for its cost - its passive. Granted, all the other stats are good, but becomes more efficient, especially CDR on a UTILITY carry. would probably combo better with a compared to rushing . Heck, instead of a item rush, it might even work to rush a for a first item. What are your thoughts on this?Perhaps even a final build involving more than 1 and items??

19 Comments

IcyPepperMay 15, 20151 votes

IE does interact with her ~~ult~~ passive, and increases the damage bonus by 50%. It's worth it, imo.

Need Gold 4 TentMay 15, 20152 votes

I was really confused by what you said. Her ult? Nothing changed much with her ult, it's still an AP scaling global range stun arrow.

LegendaryLemurMay 15, 20151 votes

I think s/he must have meant her passive (innate ability), not her ult.

IcyPepperMay 15, 20151 votes

S-sorry, I meant passive! Damn typo, I was really tired. ;~;

Need Gold 4 TentMay 15, 20151 votes

Ah, in that case then case closed, item 3031 is worth getting. I was just wondering if the crit damage passive was still functional on her. Besides... that also means crit damage runes might be interesting to run on her, considering her "crits" are guaranteed.

Drunk RummateMay 15, 20151 votes

Standard AD runes provide more level 1 damage than any combination of crit runes. Crit damage runes without crit chance still provide 0 damage increase.

Just plug rune numbers into the equation I gave you if you don't believe me.

But if you're thinking about end game damage with your Crit runes then I'd tell you it's silly to gimp your lane phase for an extra 30 damage per auto.

Dr PoroMay 15, 20151 votes

Since crit chance just changes into %dmg amp on auto attacks (which does exactly the same as crit chance except for the randomness factor), the build stays kind of the same. She basically just gains 10% extra damage amp.

You'll still want to get item 3031 + item 3046 / item 3087 + item 3072 / item 3153 + item 3035

LegendaryLemurMay 15, 20151 votes

Isn't item 3071 a better alternative to item 3035 now? Considering her q is going to stack it in one or two hits. Plus you get the CDR.

Need Gold 4 TentMay 15, 20151 votes

Actually, that's a good point. Each tick counts as one instance of damage for one proc right? Gee, I couldn't even see the individual numbers for each shot. Not to mention the CDR for more frequent ults and spamming W. The downside is that it actually gives less pen than item 3035 , 6 x 5% is 30%. vs the straight up 35%. Unless you're planning to stack them for killing Sion .

LegendaryLemurMay 15, 20151 votes

Yes cleaver gives slightly less penetration, but it's also worth considering that it does apply for all your teammates as well since it's reduction.

Cleaver is also a bit more expensive, gives a bit of health, and the rage passive (which is actually pretty useful for kiting (despite the MS bonus being halved on ranged champs).

There are arguments to be made for either item (or i suppose even both if the enemies all happen to be stacking armor).

Need Gold 4 TentMay 15, 20151 votes

The question is, does the crit damage passive on item 3031 apply to her "crits"?Or any of her abilities at all? If it does not, it somewhat diminishes the value of it, and you might as well get all the items you pointed out, minus the as her full build.

Edit: I'm aware that Ashe is still about crit. But crit interactions with her have changed, and thus my question, what of crit DAMAGE?

LegendaryLemurMay 15, 20151 votes

Yes it does. Her passive increases her autoattacks' damage (against frosted enemies) by 10 + (%Critical Strike Chance × (1 + Bonus Criticial Strike Damage)) % AD

IE provides .5 Bonus Critical Strike Damage.

Faith BreakerMay 15, 20151 votes

Try a game out with Hurricane on her and 5 Focus stacks. It's personally rewarding.

Drunk RummateMay 15, 20151 votes

Build her like a normal ADC. There's no reason to build her differently because of the crit change which literally just takes the crit and averages it over all her autos.

(AD)(1.1) + (AD)(Crit Chance)(1+ Crit Damage) = Ashe's Damage

Seriously all this theorycrafting on new item builds is a waste of time. Standard ADC build is still the most efficient for her for the same reason that it's efficient on every other ADC. Her kit is nowhere near as confusing or unique as you people are trying to make it seem.

GuardDXMay 15, 20151 votes

She does have an interesting mechanic with crit damage runes and IE though, that's really the only new change. On other champs they sum, but for some reason they multiply together on her, giving up to an extra ~19% crit damage.

Drunk RummateMay 15, 20151 votes

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She does have an interesting mechanic with crit damage runes and IE though, that's really the only new change. On other champs they sum, but for some reason they multiply together on her, giving up to an extra ~19% crit damage.

I haven't seen anything regarding her crit damage interacting differently as you say. Where did you find this information?

GuardDXMay 15, 20152 votes