Dear ADC,

TheHobbits·May 20, 2015·18 votes·2,208 views

Dear ADC,

When you decide to solo que bot lane and you call ADC, someone needs to be your support. You may have never met this person in your life and may never see them again, so please treat them with respect.

When we both die in a very close trade at 10min, instead of saying "This is why I don't want You as a support." You could easily say "dang. That was close. We'll get them next time." When the support goes back for the first time with 2000 gold because they have been holding while you go spend all your cash, don't overextend then ask "Where the hell are you!?" When it comes to mid/ late game don't keep saying "Where the hell are all our wards support. You aren't doing anything!" When if you look at the map there are 4 wards already out. A pink and 3 greens. All the supports.

So next time you call your support bad, just remember that they are the only one that can carry you early game and you should treat them with respect. Call your support sh*t and they will be. Give them praise and they will be more inclined to protect and help you.

From the only one that can stand your attitude for the betterment of the team, your support.

46 Comments

ZeeDrakonMay 20, 20155 votes

could we just stop with reviving carry shaming? didnt we go through all this in S3 and found out that there ARE bad supports? yes, there is no reason to flame them the same way there is no reason to flame anyone, but the support can be as bad as any other role. its not easier to play support, you make the same amound of mistakes anyone else does, and playing support doesnt protect you from getting called out for it.

TheHobbitsMay 20, 20153 votes

I know players can be bad, but just hear out the situation that made me make this thread.

I am support and throwing a few auto attacks at the enemy and safely dodging thresh hooks. My ADC decides to do some trading and it's going well. The ADC decides 'no I've had enough. Let's retreat' with the alert ping. So we start to fall back, but the ADC gets caught by thresh hook. I quickly turn back to try to shield my ADC and bait the enemy away. We attack as we run and both the enemy get really low, but we die.

If I just left the ADC I would have got flamed for abandoning. If I come back to help I get flamed for getting killed. At least I tried to help. I didn't say a word when the ADC got hooked by a clear thresh out in the open.

TEEMOcalypseMay 21, 20152 votes

Yes there are bad supports.

Yes the carries need to be shamed for being assholes.

TheHobbitsMay 21, 20151 votes

Exactly.

Not everyone is a LC$bigplayz.

FewtasMay 20, 20155 votes

And remember, that in the late game, we need you for team fights. Don't go running top or bottom and splitpushing when the entire enemy team is pushing mid.

That happened in a ranked game a little while ago. We were pretty much even, even though they had just taken baron. Our ADC thought that this would be the perfect time to go split push.

TheHobbitsMay 20, 20153 votes

I will stand by the ADC's side like a dog to his master, but if they decide to split off before teamfights I'll just protect the jungler or ap.

TEEMOcalypseMay 21, 20151 votes

thats what you do. Supports are almost always the real MVP

ShogunaiMay 21, 20151 votes

We know that but the one with all the kills will claim that title almost every time.

disregardableMay 20, 20154 votes

Unless you have relic shield, don't attack the creeps. Ever. I don't care if you want to shove the lane. I don't care if you think I'll miss it. I don't care if you need the spell vamp. I definitely do not care if you think you're helping. You are fucking up my CS. Stop doing it. I would rather miss the CS by myself than with you "helping". Be aware, if you're attacking the CS in any way, that you are annoying me. I will normally say something, and if you ignore it then you deserve the hate.

... but sometimes when it's not that bad I won't say anything. I won't say anything because we're doing well bot lane and I don't want to put you off. But when, for example, we have a close loss of a trade 10 minutes in after you've been attacking my CS, yes, I'm going to snap at you. And it's entirely your fault.

TheHobbitsMay 20, 20152 votes

This is why I buy the spell thief blade and take the 2 gold masteries. I get 17 gold for auto attacking the enemy champs AND 1 gold for each minion the ADC kills. I will end up having 2 minion kills and that's from when I am holding the lane under the tower while the ADC goes back to buy.

MizayaMay 20, 20152 votes

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Unless you have relic shield, don't attack the creeps. Ever. I don't care if you want to shove the lane. I don't care if you think I'll miss it. I don't care if you need the spell vamp. I definitely do not care if you think you're helping. You are fucking up my CS. Stop doing it. I would rather miss the CS by myself than with you "helping". Be aware, if you're attacking the CS in any way, that you are annoying me. I will normally say something, and if you ignore it then you deserve the hate.

... but sometimes when it's not that bad I won't say anything. I won't say anything because we're doing well bot lane and I don't want to put you off. But when, for example, we have a close loss of a trade 10 minutes in after you've been attacking my CS, yes, I'm going to snap at you. And it's entirely your fault.

Lol gl farming at turret

BluePolarizerMay 21, 20154 votes

have fun missing half the wave when the enemy pushes because without pickaxe it is very hard to last hit every minion under the turret.

disregardableMay 21, 20152 votes

No. No it isn't. 2 turret hits+1 AA on the front one, 1 AA+1 Turret Hit+1 AA on the back ones. I miss half the wave because my support fucks it up.

BluePolarizerMay 21, 20153 votes

Most of the time you don't have the attack speed to actually AA + turret hit + AA on each minion because your minions autoattack their minions.

bloojaeMay 21, 20152 votes

Gosh dangit! Have your support do that first auto!

disregardableMay 21, 20151 votes

I main Jinx, so most of the time I actually do. Whether or not I will in the next patch is yet to be seen, but I doubt it.

5000000000000000May 21, 20154 votes

That really depends on who's playing ADC and teamwork/communication between the two. Kalista at level 1 with W can push the first wave with the support attacking really easily and gain level (and possibly gold advantage also, if you manage to push it to turret). Support taking some CS at that point can be negligible, if you both know what you're doing.

So just communicate with the support. Tell them not to attack minions.

IcyPepperMay 21, 20153 votes

Oh, I'm sorry, that's your cs? You do realize that supports don't have to go 0 cs, and it's not against the rules if they dare autoattack a minion or even take a minion or two? It's not optimal, but if you miss cs... well, more gold for the team if the support takes what you miss.

This is the sense of entitlement supports don't like. It's not your cs, it's cs that's better on you than the support. And if you can't last-hit while your support autoattacks them (it's one way to reset the lane or slowly push it without shoving. Yes, supports can do this, and it's a skill adc players should learn), then why are you in a duo lane? It's not all about you, you aren't the only one who can touch minions.

If someone touching those precious minions annoy you so much, go to top lane. Farm all you want up there, with nobody to heal you, peel for you, protect you, or sacrifice their life for you. All for those precious, precious minions.

disregardableMay 21, 20152 votes

Or the support could, considering it's part of their job to roam anyway. If you're attacking my cs, I'd generally prefer to 1v2 than have you in lane anyway.

TEEMOcalypseMay 21, 20151 votes

The point of being supp is having other gold gen items. My supp mage page + item 3303 regularly generates about as much gold as an ADC who farms well. Mana-efficient poke or ranged autos continuously generate passive gold, so I can keep up with everyone. Build a page for your role so you can be effective

I almost regretted buying those 4 gold/10 Seals. Then i didnt.

IcyPepperMay 21, 20151 votes

Oh, I know it's efficient and all that stuff. Trust me, I know exactly what you're talking about and do all that stuff already.

Just pointing out that sense of entitlement leads down to darker roads, not to mention that supports should help influence minion waves and that the adc should be able to last-hit anyway. Nobody should have the attitude of "Don't you dare touch my cs, ~~servant~~ support!" It's just silly.

Had a Kalista threaten to afk because I took three minions while trying to poke the enemy (completely by accident). That's the kind of attitude people ought to avoid.

ManwalrusMay 21, 20151 votes

Don't listen to him. Bronze 4 Jinx main, enough said, go about your business.

TEEMOcalypseMay 21, 20151 votes

i agree, dont attack the creeps if you dont have relic, it DOES fuck up the CS, but snapping at supp will fuck up everything everywhere, everywhy, everywhen

A Latte DeathsMay 21, 20151 votes

Softening creeps is an actual tactic, you know. When you need to push, it's a good idea for supports to AA each creep that isn't already dying (whether it be from the ADC or ally minions) once or twice..Unless you're Lulu

disregardableMay 21, 20151 votes

I think the last time I needed my support's help to clear was a month or two ago, and it was only because THEIR Karma was helping MF clear. I'm more than capable of clearing by myself, I'm just not choosing to clear. If you want to push the wave, the solution is to say "Hey maybe we should push the wave for X reason", not just start AAing the creeps and piss me off.

Now if your ADC agrees but is shit at clearing, go right ahead.

DestructoDaveMay 20, 20152 votes

I really get tired of listening to supports pretend they are diamond level players who make ZERO mistakes, and somehow its always the big bad ADC who cusses, rages, and complains all the time.

You know, I've had MORE supports bitch and complain, than I ever have had ADCs. I play both. The fact is, when you actually PLAY support well, people dont bitch at you. Its rare.

Because, support wins bot lane. Its very heavily weighted toward which support is better, then which adc is better, at least in the laning phase. So if your lane is going down the shitter, 9 times out of 10, its because of the support play; one being better than the other.

I just get tired of these Dear ADC posts, when you guys pretend you make zero mistakes in lane. Just because you are a support, you are not infallible.

LongSh4dowsMay 20, 20157 votes

I would say that there are more toxic ADCs than Supports. Supports know they are, at best, the 'unsung heroes' of the match.

IcyPepperMay 21, 20157 votes

The fact is, when you actually PLAY support well, people dont bitch at you. Its rare.

Unless you really shine as a support, tbf you don't get a lot of credit when the adc is able to faceroll late-game if they're fed. People tend to look at the 20/x/x carry, not the x/x/40 support.

TheHobbitsMay 21, 20155 votes

This is so true. Its when you have 30 plus assists and 10 plus deaths and the adc flames you for all your death. If they would take the time to remember how the support died those 10 times. Saving the adc and keeping up their killing spree.

TEEMOcalypseMay 21, 20152 votes

Unless the carry publicly thanks the support. it makes ya feel good :D

IcyPepperMay 21, 20151 votes

It's the best feeling in the world.

Or you can play Soraka and heal your top/mid/jungler from across the map. People tend to love you if you have map awareness.

TheHobbitsMay 21, 20152 votes

I'm not a Plat rank player by ANY means. The difference is that i'm not flaming the adc for making a mistake. I say "We were close that fight. Don't worry. We will get them next time." I'm not bagging out the adc for missing a perfect double kill or an easy clean up.

TEEMOcalypseMay 21, 20151 votes

Really? most of the time i see the support get blammed for every little thing. A few times Ive seen supports blamed for the top lane losing But you are right, the lane is really held up by the support, and to an extent, the jungler. Ive had games where one support simply couldnt hold up the lane, like when i to Velkoz vs Alistar . They couldnt get past their bush unless we withdrew, so they lost CS (because the enemy jungler couldnt handle the true damage and knockup ;) and we dominated mid game (they surrendered)

AxestsMay 21, 20151 votes

Dear ADCs, It's all fine and dandy if you want to rage at me and it's fine if you're toxic. But please, stop being garbage. I'd say about 90% of solo queue ADCs shouldn't call adc, and should stick with simpler champions and roles. Yours Truly, That mid laner you fed

TyrenMay 21, 20153 votes

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Dear ADCs, It's all fine and dandy if you want to rage at me and it's fine if you're toxic. But please, stop being garbage. I'd say about 90% of solo queue ADCs shouldn't call adc, and should stick with simpler champions and roles. Yours Truly, That mid laner you fed

Also, if your support is backing off it's for good reason. I've so many adc's die because of the enemy jungler catching them out and being pushed up. I ping twice, yet they think we can 2 v 3. I can only peel and protect you butt so many times before some one gets to you.

Also, help ward so many of my adcs don't bother replacing the ward I dropped in the bush when it expires. spend 75 g to help a brother out even if I have sightstone, I've most likely used the charges and a pink.

TEEMOcalypseMay 21, 20152 votes

HKDoo, i cant upvote this enough. when the Supp backs off, SHIT IS ABOUT TO GO DOWN. but people have the perception of a deaf bat, so, yeah

SonasaurousMay 21, 20151 votes

I find it mildly amusing how bipolar a lot of ADCs are. Typically during laning, of course:

Enemy bot gets lvl 2 first and chunks at us. I save ADC and we hug turret while we heal up. ADC: OMG WORST SUPPORT EVER. D:<

I get to lvl 2/3 and start bullying the enemy bot lane so they're hugging turret the rest of laning phase. ADC may or may not get a kill or two depending on aggressiveness. ADC: OMG I LOVE YOU <3

Silly ADCs...

TEEMOcalypseMay 21, 20151 votes

this is why i dont like playing support. 80% of ADCs are douchey 13 year olds who get mad at every mistake But damn i love being a good support. Alistar Galio Lux Soraka Thresh Velkoz

TMITMay 21, 20151 votes

[quote]When we both die in a very close trade at 10min, instead of saying "This is why I don't want You as a support." You could easily say "dang. That was close. We'll get them next time."[/quote]

I'd prefer neither. If I or support can figure out a concrete reason we lost and a different action that will lead to winning in the future, I will say it and if the support figures it out instead I would prefer that's what he says. If I can't think of anything, I'm not likely to say a whole lot either way but I guess encouragement works too. Nobody likes dying, but dying that way is a misplay. It doesn't matter whose unless it's something whereby changing one's choices can alter the outcome.

But then I like all of the roles in this game, so I know what it's like to be support too. That lane is rough if someone doesn't have a presence there, regardless of which person it is.

landsknetchMay 21, 20151 votes

"You may have never met this person in your life and may never see them again"

Its cause of that ppl treat solo q supports like trash

What does it mean?

Get some friends u miserable loners

TheHobbitsMay 21, 20151 votes

I do have friends, but when I'm on my days off (Monday and Tuesday) they are all at work, so it's hard for me to have a game or two with them when they are not there. We will however team up when we are all on and chat on teamspeak.

Much better way to play.

Drunk RummateMay 21, 20151 votes

{quoted}

When we both die in a very close trade at 10min, instead of saying "This is why I don't want You as a support." You could easily say "dang. That was close. We'll get them next time."

Granted, but don't expect me to hold your hand if you miss every skillshot and run away after I'm committed :]

{quoted} When the support goes back for the first time with 2000 gold because they have been holding while you go spend all your cash, don't overextend then ask "Where the hell are you!?"

Granted, but you really should try to time your recalls with mine because if I'm sitting alone in lane I'll only get half the CS and I'll get harassed to half hp while I'm doing it, which means we have no way to fight them when you do show up.

{quoted} When it comes to mid/ late game don't keep saying "Where the hell are all our wards support. You aren't doing anything!" When if you look at the map there are 4 wards already out. A pink and 3 greens. All the supports.

Granted, but if you've got a fully charged sightstone and we have no vision then you're the first person I'm going to say something to. Especially because I'm that ADC who buys a pink ward every time I recall after my first back (assuming it isn't still up in a good location).

{quoted} So next time you call your support bad, just remember that they are the only one that can carry you early game and you should treat them with respect. Call your support sh*t and they will be. Give them praise and they will be more inclined to protect and help you.

Part of the reason I stopped playing ADC is because you're right. The support is the only one who can win you lane phase, and having that kind of reliance on a random person is just miserable. I still get stuck in bot lane with a random person sometimes and laning with some mid main that got forced to support and has never actually bothered to learn the position is misery. Seriously, everyone needs to learn this position. You're going to have to play it eventually.

TheHobbitsMay 21, 20151 votes

Granted, but in the end it is just as easy to say nothing over flaming your support. (I liked your post.)

ShogunaiMay 21, 20151 votes

Now you know supports rarely get any recognition on the rift. No matter how many plays we set up, how man peels, wards doesn't matter. The one with all the kills will declare victory an say they carried they group. Although your point is nice ideally, realistically it will probably never happen. This is the way its been an probably will stay. However at least for myself support is home, and do what I can to set plays.

TheHobbitsMay 21, 20151 votes

Not entirely true. I had a few games last week where the ADC was singing praise that I was doing so well and tanking a lot of the damage and saving everyone.

But then there are some who just like to flame the support.

WakamuneMay 22, 20151 votes

{quoted}

Now you know supports rarely get any recognition on the rift. No matter how many plays we set up, how man peels, wards doesn't matter. The one with all the kills will declare victory an say they carried they group. Although your point is nice ideally, realistically it will probably never happen. This is the way its been an probably will stay. However at least for myself support is home, and do what I can to set plays.

I don't think people get enough real recognition anywhere, win or loss.

We don't thank Nasus for managing to scrape by Darius even with minimal Q stacks but call him useless. We don't thank Ori for bailing everyone out of trouble at the expense of her ult/life but we cry at the Zed she's forced to lane against. We don't thank the Lee for getting all these drags but we yell at him for missing smite on 5th drag.