How do you carry games as

3lue·1/7/2015, 12:41:16 AM·1 votes·1,899 views

a Tank? Especially 4v5 or 3v5 and specifically in Silver and how do you manage to win after doing your best to peel and somewhat kill the majority of the enemies off your ADC?

Shen players , or tank players in general, how can I win 4 v 5 with a toxic jungle and a not-so-great ADC? I guess there's only so much you can do and some games can't be won?

Again, I roamed as best I could after ending laning phase 5-0, used both my ult and tele to help others win their lanes, helping my team to 5 dragons, but somehow we still lost even though I felt there was a chance in winning even though vlad was afk

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1688998039/206014383?tab=overview

15 Comments

Dingding1231/7/2015, 8:56:28 PM2 votes

You don't. If you can consider yourself a tank than you are nothing more than a potato with essentially 5 seconds to live in a teamfight, and your kit can probably distract the rest of the enemy team for about half of that as well so I guess they have that going for them.

No one only wants tank items anymore. No one is designed around keeping others alive except for supports who don't have enough money for tank items anyway. Health as a stat needs to be reworked.

coppinslinger1/7/2015, 12:52:14 AM1 votes

Tanks can't carry soloQ hard unless they have strong-pick potential or can bring something other to the team than tank-stats or minor-utility in teamfights.

I can only think of maybe 2 tanks that carry in soloQ (and both are junglers) :

Amumu - Has huge potential to create picks and brings "teamfight utility" to a whole new level. Can Solo-win fights with his CC and decent AoE damage.

Rammus - Massive gank-pressure early on and transitions to a hyper-tank mid-to-late game. Good pick potential and great CC (and underrated AoE damage or 1v1 vs. AD champs)

Malphite maybe has the potential to carry for similar reasons as Amumu, but I think his damage is worse and his lane-phase as a top or jungler is pretty bad, so your ability to reach that late-game teamfight winning point is lessened (and again, you still rely on your team to do damage afterwards).

Other tanks are good but don't really have to potential to carry. If you don't bring damage or massive utility/play-making potential to the table, then you are reliant on your team to win.

I'd suggest playing tanky-bruiser instead if that's your style: JarvanIV Nasus Singed

BluePolarizer1/7/2015, 1:37:28 AM1 votes

Shen is extremely easy to carry with in solo queue.

First, you have to buy damage - choose wits end, BoRK or triforce depending on the opponent's team comp and your team comp.

Then, get tankiness that actually deals with the damage opponents have.

Finally, always get thornmail, since it is the item that lets you 1v1 ADCs. I would even get it before Randuins if ADCs were big enough.

A typical Shen build for carrying is Triforce, Sunfire, Thornmail, Randuins, Spirit Visage, Boots. This build is extremely tanky, gives you something like 300 armor with 4000 HP, but also very good sustained damage from triforce/sunfire/thornmail.

Order: usually Sunfire->Damage item. Mid-game, sunfire is good enough tankiness, this is when you need damage. Afterwards you can get more tank items to survive vs. adcs late game. If you taunt the ADC, you can usually tank them easily and kill them.

Majidesuka1/7/2015, 12:52:03 AM1 votes

Big variable in 4v5s is time is not on your side. Even with a relatively large lead, what you bring to a fight as a team is severely limited to what the enemy can bring in return. In this case, I recommend forcing your team to push and end a game as soon as possible. Second opinion is the ability to transition to different situations with a cool and open mind and stay calm doing so. However, it's like you said, there are so much one person can do and some games are not meant to be won, but that doesn't mean you can prove the general statement wrong.

Keep that fighting spirit up!

The Annie Christ1/7/2015, 5:36:09 AM1 votes

Try out different champs if you cant carry with tank champs. Try out bruisers. Nasus is great, hes super tank, and if you farm well, his Q is amazing. He can definitely carry games. Gnar is amazing atm. Try renekton. Tanky with tons of damage early game. he has a stun, 2 dashes( If used correctly) and is just all out awesome especially early game.

Sirin Gioro1/8/2015, 2:19:34 AM1 votes

You don't play tank tops in low ELO You play damage dealer top laners like Riven, Jax to carry low ELO In Silver, your ADC is useless Out of position, low CS cringe Like, you will always think "If I was ADC this game would be over" if you're playing tank

the story would be different if you're playing Irelia-san

tanky deals damage (trifroce)

just weak early game, but superb mid game with triforce power spike and at late game she's a carry killing machine

The Chin1/7/2015, 4:12:41 AM1 votes

Best way to win 4v5's is to split push