When ganking bot lane as a jungler or mid laner, is it better to go for the support or the ADC? If I go for the ADC and the support is a blitzcrank, he can pull me and I won't be able to kill the ADC. While on the other hand, if I went for the support instead, the ADC would live but the value of the support when killed would be lesser.
RiotPhreak9 votesGanks are more about gold income than holding someone down. So more just ask yourself, "Who's more likely to die?" Sona has no escapes and is fairly squishy. Tristana has Rocket Jump. Kalista can pull her support back. Thresh has lantern. You just have to assess from their kits, cooldowns, and positioning, who's more likely to die.
MrBuffington1 votes^
I think another good tip is not to tunnel too hard on a kill. A lot of times I see a gank where the ADC has 10%HP left, but is all the way under turret, meanwhile the support is at 70%HP and is behind you in side brush; imo the best thing you can do is turn around and melt the support, then go do something else (farm, buy, counterjungle, take scuttlecrab/drake, etc) assuming your teammates are healthy and you can't get the enemy ADC within the next like, 5 seconds (chances are the ADC will back, or your teammates can pick up the kill without you). A lot of times I see junglers just sitting around wasting time in front of the enemy turret when they can't really get anything else done; there are a lot more productive things you can do than just sitting in front of their turret and waiting to see if the enemy ADC has a brain fart and suicides at you. I think jungling is a lot more about not wasting time than making some huge play.
Duke Anax5 votesIf it's a Tank/Fighter, they are harder to kill, so always go for the ADC.
If it's a Mage/Assasin, both can do drastic damage and both are squishy. Attack whoever seems easier to kill at the time then try to get the other.
If it's a Support, they can usually prevent the ADC from dying, so go for the Support first. this is especially true for Soraka.
If you'd go for the Blitzcrank for example, you give the enemy ADC time to kill someone in return. Sure he could prevent the kill if he lands the hook, but killing means nothing in this game.
You still achieve a lot: The adc is out of lane and no one on your side died. You may even still be able to get the Blitz or at least he will have trouble stopping the three of you from getting the Tower or Dragon.
FHMarshy3 votesI disagree, it really doesn't matter if it's a tank/mage/assassing/peeler for me. Generally, you just need to evaluate the kill potential on both and determine which kill would be more secured.
For example, if the support flashed and exhausted and the ADC healed, I'd go for the support. Chances are if you go for the ADC, he will burn flash but survive but if you go for the support, you can kill him, and basically zone the ADC a few waves until the support returns to lane.
Or if ADC burnt Flash and Heal, but support still have both, go for the ADC.
Always be aware of mobility. For example, if it's an EZ/Cait/TristADC and a raka/taric/thresh/blitz support, I'd always go for the support as they don't have a skill that could allow them to escape but their ADC do. Vice versa, if the enemy ADC is Varus/Kog/Mf and support is Braum, I'd go for the ADC since Braum can jump on to the ADC for safety.
Duke Anax2 votesValid point, but for me preventing escape is secondary, While getting a kill is always good, not dying is more important.
Not all of them even try to run, some will rather try to kill one of you instead. Killing one of them doesn't give you nearly as much when they manage to get a kill in return. And attacking the wrong target may give them time to get that kill.
FHMarshy2 votesAgain, I disagree lol.
If they kill one of you, 1 of them will be rewarded the killing gold and the other will have the assist gold.
But if you kill one in return, 1 of you will get the killing gold but TWO of you will get the assist gold.
At the point of a global gold, it's worth to trade 1 for 1
Duke Anax2 votesOh, you don't know: more assists don't give more gold. TWO of you will get HALF the assist gold.
So the enemy bot may actually end up slightly ahead, because the Jungler takes some of the gold away.
RackThor2 votesNot only that, its okay to push the ADC or Support, whichever didnt get killed, out of lane and burning their escapes. This is denying them gold and experience and above all wasting their time. If they have no ability to contribute to their lane, in lower elo's, they tend to run around and effectively achieve nothing for their team in that time. While your team that secured the kill and didnt give up a kill in return effectively has a free lane to farm. With proper ward coverage and map awareness this its a prime time to freeze the lane and make the most of the time where you have nothing contesting you, or pushing the lane into the turret and denying even more farm while you safely back and keep scaling up.
Great point!!
S H A Y C 01 votesBasically everything this guy said, with one minor decision making tweak. Priority will always be the ADC in bot lane, if its an unconventional bot lane your ADC may not be a marksman, go for the "damage Dealer" that is priority one. But if anything like FHMarshy just said is true and you feel like the support is guaranteed kill and the adc is not, then go for the support. There is more value in killing the ADC under any circumstance, usually worth more gold, you keep their damage dealer away from farm and xp for a while, supports have little to no damage so they are easy to bully and take towers when they are alone and it is the biggest win scenario for bot lane ganks. But again, if there is any reason that makes ganking them unlikely to succeed and the support is an easier kill, just take the gravy.
FHMarshy1 votesnice seeing you here buddy lmao
S H A Y C 01 votesi didnt even check to see who wrote the post, lol! Not surprised you had the best answer in the least :P
FHMarshy1 votesbeen a while since we played :P i made diamond btw, i can rest from League lmao
Umbral Light1 votesAlways go for the ADC, unless the support is low enough health to kill and continue with the ADC or if the support is being a threat forget about. 70%-90% of the time focus ADC first then support.
Aww Kat1 votesTry to kill the adc so they have to respawn. They then miss out on a ton of farm, and you usually will be able to kill the adc faster than you would be able to get a support since they are usually more squishy.
Astral Zephyroro1 votesI would suggest always learn what that support can do in terms of how well they can peel, but normally ADC first depending on positioning and health.
Kroatoan1 votesThe way I look at it, first is to see which is farthest away from the safety of their turret, then which one has the better escape.
Drunk Rummate1 votesif they are fighting back, aim for the adc. if they are running away, kill whoever is farthest from their tower (unless it's like braum and you can't kill him in time).
Sohleks1 votesIt really depends on their positioning, cooldowns, health and champion. The ADC is the more valuable target though.
The Chin1 voteswhichever one has worse positioning is the one you should target.
FarRockBF1 votesWhoever is easier to kill. It's almost never an "I can kill this one or that". Just go for the guaranteed kill.
3tyson1 votesIts situational on avarage killing the adc does more for your team than killing a suport
but getting a kil does more for your team than getting none setting a adc up without a suport is far from.a bad thing either
when its a healing suport like soraka and i play a jungler without hard cc/damage and are not confident with my team mates cc i prefere to target her
mvargus1 votesI wondered about this myself. In general I try for the one that I am sure I can get. If I think I can get both I'll aim for the ADC, but if the ADC has an escape I don't want to waste my cooldowns on them if I can be sure to get the support.
It always depends on the state of the lane when I arrive. If they are pushed too far forward I'll try to setup so that my bot laners can make it a quick 3v2 and we can get both. If they are about mid-river I'll just go for the one nearest the river rather than dive past them for the ADC should the ADC be near the bushes.
AwesomeChad1 votesADC. The ADC is the more important target at bot lane because they're responsible for dealing most of the dmg in teamfights late game and they naturally scale better than the support. If you target the ADC and shut them down, they're going to be incredibly weak mid game since their dmg is heavily dependent on items. The support's purpose to allow their ADC to get farm so going for the adc pretty much shuts down both roles.
Son Olivia Hye1 votesVery situational at times but as with everyone's posts above me. Go for the ADC.
admiralcourvoisi1 votesIt depends on what your ADC/Support combo is.
If you can trust your ADC/Support to jump whoever you don't (
I'm looking at you), hit the support. Your lane can target the ADC and they'll have more damage/cc than a single champion will. Especially do this if the enemy support is a peel/sustain support.
If your ADC/Support combo can't engage hard, go for the ADC and try to help your lane engage.
Basically, just do whatever will make the enemy ADC die faster.
Xtremey1 voteslowest health > adc > support
Inner Squid1 voteswhen ganking bot target priority is usually based on a situational process. Can you kill the ADC before the support? Will the support manage to CC you long enough for the ADC to kill you? Where is your adc and support, how close to your tower? how close to their tower? Where's the opposing jungler? There are so many situational variables that a jungler has to consider that there is no single answer.
Commando Yi1 votestarget the free kill ALWAYS
if there is a soraka, and a tristana, go for the soraka every single time
Sirin Gioro1 votesADC first, normally. You generally want to make him behind. Support doesn't really matter anyways... Unless it's Full AP Vel'Koz :^) If ADC manages to escape to turret quick enough, then I'd go for the support. It'd be better if you know whether either one of them have flash or not. "Cait no flash" -> go for Cait first. (◡‿◡✿)
TEFAlpha91 votesADC, but the easiest kill generally
don't focus leona and let tristana wail on you because you thougth she was low but is so tanky you barley hurt her so stay too long and end up feeding the adc
TotalJerk1 votesNo one mentioned this, but sometimes you should focus the support if they're the type that will save the ADC if left unattended. If you see Thresh standing back ready to throw out a lantern, one of you should shut him down with CC while the other two wipe out the ADC.
