How did they let Glacial, Cursed Blade and how items drops work get past the balancing of this mode?

Azurereaper·Jul 24, 2019·36 votes·12,169 views

It is shocking, how unbalanced item drops are, on top of Cursed Blade being in the game AND with the Glacial effect type outright ruining the game now.

Cursed Blade should be less than a 10% chance to reduce a level of a character.

Items are the most feast or famine type of mechanic I have ever seen in a game ever, good luck dealing with that Gunslinger or Vayne fully equipped out of the arsehole in gear. With a wall of Glacial units in front.

Then there is Glacial, here have a stun effect on your auto attack with no diminishing effect (which can be applied with ranged attacks), who is the moron being paid to come up with this nonsense. Not even mentioning that the majority of Glacial units come as tanky units and with stuns for abilities.

Racials in general are so unbalanced in favor of lucking out and getting a matching set. Team full of Nobles? GG, Yordles? Goodluck trying to hit 6 units with 60% dodge. Games often end with one or two people getting the full set and doing a full wipe in a literal second against the rest of the players, then one of them just gets hard countered by the unit effect.

31 Comments

BreganJul 24, 201912 votes

because they have a "creative vision" and "believe" that what they chose will actually be good for the game. and because of all of that, they refuse to apply simple fixes to GLARING problems, no matter how logical and elegant those fixes are.

PxerkzaJul 24, 20196 votes

yes i've heard complaints about literally everything in this game

the point is that you can't win everything get it through your head

Norocku23Jul 24, 20193 votes

I agree with you 100% sure I like to win but with a game filled with chance you will not win every game you play no matter how good.

Hong Kong AnnieJul 24, 20192 votes

That's fine though. The best Poker player won't win every hand, and you won't win every game. But the better players will finish higher consistently.

Von8Jul 24, 20192 votes

Poker without bluffing, and your hands face up on the table, would be an absolutely terrible game.

PxerkzaJul 24, 20191 votes

you mean online poker

you also have positioning item prioritization champ prioritization adaptation

all variables that rely only on you

StephenizgodJul 24, 20196 votes

I used to complain about the RNG, but then I started to learn how to play the game. Now i rarely ever end below 4th, usually 1st or 3rd are my two highest placements I believe.

The issue is, all the skill you mentioned only gets you that far. RNG decides your placement after that. You didn't get 6 items? Well enjoy 3rd. Someone got Glacial with level 3 Voli? GG have fun in 2nd. Didnt end up getting the units you wanted? Well too bad no 1st for you.

The game is like 80% RNG, 20% skill/knowledge. If you are good, you will almost always place higher than 4th, beyond that its all RNG.

Items (both in whether they drop and what drops), Carousel, Champions (both in what you get and how much you get), Racial Passives, and Unit targeting/pathing are all mostly RNG and are the main mechanics of the game. I am totally fine with Random Items being dropped, but not that they are random IF they drop. I am fine with random Champions, but it sucks when you have 1 lvl 3 and another person has 3 level 3's (econ doesnt mean shit if you can't beat their units). I am fine with the Carousel having random champs with random items, but not that where you spawn is random (picking first doesn't guarantee you the champ/item you want if its on the other side when you are picking).

All of this RNG is fine by itself, but the fact there is so much of it and it all relies on each other to work is why this game gets way more shit than the other AutoChess games (at least from what I have seen).

PxerkzaJul 24, 20191 votes

https://i.imgur.com/8dgJPSn.png voli 3 with warmogs and claw

definitely gg

if it's 80% rng you would be placing 1st only 12% of your games 2nd only 12% of your games 3rd only 12% of your games 4th only 12% of your games

add a 0.5% to each for nice round numbers

and you saying that you are winning the majority of your games directly contradicts this unless you mean that that 20% that isn't rng heavily skews the odds of you winning or not which again proves my point and supports the claim that being good at the game overcomes the RNG

StephenizgodJul 25, 20192 votes

That guy had a bad comp

that is not how RNG or percentages work

hoganftwJul 24, 20193 votes

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yes i've heard complaints about literally everything in this game

the point is that you can't win everything get it through your head

That's not the point, you goober

CowseedJul 25, 20191 votes

{quoted}

yes i've heard complaints about literally everything in this game

the point is that you can't win everything get it through your head

If they are going glacial, counter with yordles. Or use phantom dancer.

ToadwartJul 25, 20193 votes

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If they are going glacial, counter with yordles. Or use phantom dancer.

You ever play this game yourself or just watch it on twitch? Because dodging doesnt prevent glacial.

ThilmerJul 24, 20194 votes

I keep getting 3rd and 4th positions because even if I have a better team composition somebody makes several level 3 champions and many more ítems tan me, and then is lost.

Honestly, anybody is going to be able to reach Master because is a matter of luck. Having rankeds in this mode rigth now is laughable.

Bonus points for having team compositions that are total noobtraps since it's imposible winning with them: Knigths, Pirates…

ShadWoooJul 24, 20193 votes

Nobles and Yordles are weakest comps by far fyi.

Norocku23Jul 24, 20192 votes

I deff would not say they are the worst comps they are very strong but without items there are kinda trash.

ScramrailsJul 24, 201911 votes

Ive won more games with Yordles than with any other trait lol

Norocku23Jul 24, 20192 votes

I have won quite a few with yordles as well especially if you get 3*star kennen with 2 Hextech gunblade and a warmogs lol.

AzurereaperJul 24, 20193 votes

I have not lost a single game with a full team of Yordles, whenever I get the chance to build them with a 3* Lulu, 3* Kennen + additional sorcerer.

I say Nobles as the units in that comp are insane by themselves with a couple of items.

Edit: Forgot about Vieg, did a 6 sorc combo with a literal machine gun Vieg with the items, it was unfair.

ShadWoooJul 24, 20191 votes

What do you mean 3 Lulu 3 Kennen? t3?

Sp33d Zer0Jul 25, 20191 votes

yes.

Heckin SupportJul 25, 20191 votes

I'm pretty sure he means like tier 3.

HonestJohnTheConJul 24, 20191 votes

Counterpoint: Knights.

ShadWoooJul 24, 20191 votes

Knights are not a comp but placebo :D. Yeah you are right.

DeusVultJul 25, 20191 votes

Yordles is very strong vs auto attackers (ie glacial)

6 Noble, while nearly impossible to get, kills just about everything

XhaidenJul 24, 20193 votes

Glacial and Yordles comp may be strong - but none can compare with luck for drops and tons of champs for fast upgrades. Here's an example (quite common - unfortunately) - where i got neither - while that guy was lucky for both (champion upgrades and items drops).

https://imgur.com/7U7t4mY

And that was actually a lucky game for me in terms of items drops (in other games i got less than half). Yet, was already beyond mid game and i still had units lvl 1 - even tho i spent around 100 gold Refreshing a new row of champions.

Here's another example...

https://imgur.com/9pFmaiL

And another...

https://imgur.com/aJpeGqw

Full Yordles comp, tho...5 champs lvl 2 + 1 lvl 1 vs 5 champions LVL 3.... No chance! 60% dodge rate - didn't mean shit. All my Yodles units died almost instantly.

FireDrizzleJul 24, 20191 votes

Gold Vayne isnt good except early because she is single target but not insane like Draven.

AzurereaperJul 24, 20191 votes

I say Vayne as she is far easier to aquire at 3* than a tier 4 unit.

YoungcuckJul 25, 20191 votes

Items almost always even out, I've never seen a huge disparity in the amount of items people have by the krugs or wolves stages of the game.

The effect of Glacials is indeed cancer but the problem with a 6 stack Glacial is they lack a lot of dmg. The only hard hitting unit in the Glacial trait is Volibear and thats only if youre willing to spend a lot of items on him.

A team full of Nobles is more of the same, Fiora is a useless unit outside of the Blademaster comp, Leona is just a CC bot, Kayle is an ult bot that doesnt deal that much dmg and the Noble buff itself is underwhelming in the late game. It's 100 FLAT armor for everybody +35 heal on-hit. 100 armor in the later stages doesnt mean that much and the on hit healing is only decently good on Vayne and Lucian in that comp.

A team full of Yordles is indeed very effective against autoattackers like say Blademasters, Gunslingers or even Glacials. However a 6 Yordle stack will just blow up in front of a 6 Sorcerer stack because they dont dodge spells. Yordles have their own counterplay.

ThilmerJul 25, 20191 votes

Just played this game:

A guy with level 3 champions and 8 ítems, still with 100 hp, meanwhile I'm seconds with 12 hp, I have to figth him and I end in 5th position. Despite having a team with 6 nobles + 2 rangers + 2 knigths.

I basically lost LP because of bad luck, while another guy have the game already won almost since the beginning.

I can't take this game mode seriously, but I can't wait to see profesionals trying to play this and winning/losing 100% because of luck. I hope Riot doesn't expect to air this like a big e-sport event, because who the hell is going to watch that shit? [sg-lulu]

SilmäJul 25, 20191 votes

I dont find glacial too op. About 80% of people who go for it still drop before reaching the critical point. @ late rounds they go 50/50 vs gunslinger blademasters.