It seems every single demon champion is a powerhouse on their own
The demon trait itself is meh at best though
The demon trait itself is meh at best though
Umm no, manaburn is busted, that's why demons is meta. It completely denies 90% of the games carries. You can still go rangers but rangers are trash without demon/glacial. Aatrox is over-tuned though.
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Umm no, manaburn is busted, that's why demons is meta. It completely denies 90% of the games carries. You can still go rangers but rangers are trash without demon/glacial. Aatrox is over-tuned though.
Demons are meta because each of them are strong individually. Manaburn can easily be substituted with the item that silences. When every single champion in an origin is strong, it makes a lot of sense to build to that origin to amplify your team even more.
False. Mana burn not only makes enemy unable to cast, it also does true damage. Also, unlike hush, you can run 4 demon pretty much every game in every comp (if you want to win that is), and it applies to 4 champs instead of just 1.
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False. Mana burn not only makes enemy unable to cast, it also does true damage. Also, unlike hush, you can run 4 demon pretty much every game in every comp (if you want to win that is), and it applies to 4 champs instead of just 1.
You can't pretend that the true damage is anything more than negligible. It is at best an additional auto attack from a 1star unit in terms of damage dealt from the burn.
Just because you can't run hush in every comp, that doesn't mean mana burn from demon origin is anything outside of mediocre. If you took any of the demon champions in their current state and changed their origin, they would still function just as well if not better in every comp.
Because like the point I was making, each champion under the demon origin is a powerhouse. Of course demons are gonna be slightly stronger when you utilize their origin, but the same can be said for any champion.
the demon trait is only good on specific champions that aren't demons themselves
ashe trist lucian (im not sure how the splashing from graves auto works with onhits) voli after he ults and eve (eve is already a demon but her being an assassin gives her access to the best units you want to drain she also randomly gets to execute some champions so yea)
and when you have all 6 of them the 4demons aren't really strong 2 demons are ok if you have them on rangers ashe demon is insane imo
the demon trait is only good on specific champions that aren't demons themselves
ashe trist lucian (im not sure how the splashing from graves auto works with onhits) voli after he ults and eve (eve is already a demon but her being an assassin gives her access to the best units you want to drain she also randomly gets to execute some champions so yea)
and when you have all 6 of them the 4demons aren't really strong 2 demons are ok if you have them on rangers ashe demon is insane imo
I disagree, the demon origin itself isn't good period. The champions within the origin generally just work really well because their abilities can and mostly do synergize really well with their traits. Even outside of that, their abilities alone provide a huge amount of influence
that would be applicable only for morgana aatrox and swain which are parts of other comps as well elise is only good if you can 3* her varus rarely does anything and brand sucks without items so pretty much only morg is great if you can beef her up aatrox is OP and swain needs a lot of mana and shapeshifters
so no the demons aren't really that great but the mana drain makes them great if you drain 100 mana thats 400 damage and since everyone is targeting 1 unit at 85% chance to drain you are pretty much annihalating everything that the demons focus just because of the trait but 4 demons the dmg is too low and the chance is meh 2 demons is great on voli and ashe but it's a dmg bump for those champions and not so much for the utility of the trait
Um...all the demons aside from Elise are amazing, which is why demon is so strong.
Literally all the demons can carry a game then throw ontop of it there bonus and you can see why they are an S tier comp.
Um...all the demons aside from Elise are amazing, which is why demon is so strong.
Literally all the demons can carry a game then throw ontop of it there bonus and you can see why they are an S tier comp.
I think Elise is still amazing but harder to utilize well.
Well my thing is she's the weakest of all the demons.
For people to say demons aren't good is beyond dumb.
Varus- can carry, aatroxx can carry mprg can carry brand can carry, forget the rest lol I'm at work.
Point is all the demons are solid and most of them can carry games.
When Lucian stops scooting around all game, I don't think Demons are "meh"
I am not sure this is true. Except Aatrox who really is powerhouse rest of the demons are meh.
Elise - super broken because of the dmg to players, but that's about it and if you can't get her to tier3 there is no point using her at all.
Varus - very strong early, falls off late super hard.
Evelyn - she would be good but that ult of hers is stupid and loses you match most of the times. You give her no items -> she dies before building mana as she starts from 0 and she has slow attacks. Without assassin trait or against PD she barely does any damage. What is worse if you actually give her items like serapt or ludens what happens is that she jumps at important makes few autos, ults. Because she does barely any damage, she didn't get her target below execute HP treshold, her ult does nothing, she repositions and she switches aggro to different unit which gets her killed. Even if she won't switch aggro, the time she loses by need to walk back is usually what makes her to die.
Morgana - she is good vs assassins if she actually survives being oneshoted. Besides that her strong ult is hard to utilize, she will only ever damage one max two targets which is quite a waste. Kennen AOE range is 4x higher than hers. The only way I see her being utilized properly is to give her assassin spatula so she can jump into backline where she will have higher chance to damage more units.
Brand - seriously probably the worst 4gold unit in game. He will never do anything without items and because he is 4gold unit that is absolutely useless at tier1 you cannot really save items for him.
Swain - very strong but suffers from similar issue as Morgana (though in his case it is less problematic as his ult is ongoing and when he repositions it still works). However you need 3 items to make him survive which is worth only if you were given defensive items. I never got him to tier2 unfortunately as at that level he is able to 1v9. But you cannot go into a game with "I get tier2 Swain and win".
Aatroy is overtuned and they should revert theri last buff to his skill damage, Elise is garbage if it wasn't for the demon trade and her spiderlings causeing exta player damage, and the rest is strong but within line for their tiers.
The demon buff it's self however is insane, it totally fucks any non gunslinger or ranger setup, manaburn is just a disgusting mechanic in that game. Though it's true, since each individual demon already carries his weight it allows them to full make use of their utillity trait without tradeoffs, while glacial has pretty low damage overall unless you get voli fed with the right items(though you can easily supplement them with some DDs).