Has anyone questioned why Katarina gets 2 more base MR than all other melee champs?

Kuponya·Feb 6, 2017·47 votes·3,949 views

Like why?

63 Comments

Raven RedeemedFeb 6, 201717 votes

"Remove the 2 MR!" "Remove the 2 MR!" "If she spins, then she wins!" "Remove the 2 MR!"

EpicanianFeb 7, 201716 votes

are you actually complaining about 2 MR

LegendmakerGXFeb 7, 20172 votes

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are you actually complaining about 2 MR

We the people have power you want example Epicnian?

Kayle Vayne (-3 AD!!!!!!!!!!!) It has made a huge difference.

3TWarriorFeb 7, 20171 votes

thought it was 5 in vayne's case XD yet it doesn't matter...because vayne does not use AD for the maximum of her damage

tank vayne is or was a thing for a while and kayle...is kayle XD she either wins hard or is pushed out of late game by poke champs

Bodkins OddsFeb 7, 20171 votes

It was definitely 5 AD in Kayle's case, but they gave it back eventually.

Sexy Jack RabbitFeb 7, 20171 votes

They never gave it back, they just buffed her AD Growth so it levels out late game, as it should.

QuephaFeb 8, 20171 votes

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vayne does not use AD for the maximum of her damage

Approximately 74% of her damage is physical and her recent fotm status was generally attributed to the high AD ratio on her Q that was capable of critting.

Sexy Jack RabbitFeb 7, 20171 votes

It was 5.

TotalJerkFeb 7, 20171 votes

Not that it's a big deal, It's just random. Riot has been consistent in giving all champions either 30+0/lvl(Ranged plus Kassadin and Yasuo) or 32.1+1.25/lvl(Melee except Kassadin and Yasuo).

Very Hard EngageFeb 6, 201713 votes

believe it or not she used to have a rough early game and she would take a lot of poke damage while she waited to hit level 6/DFG.

now that she spikes at level 2/3 its not so relevant for her to have the MR anymore.

KaiokoFeb 6, 20179 votes

I think that was an oversight in all honesty. There's absolutely no reason for it.

WolfBVFeb 7, 20177 votes

...Is this really a thing? Please, don't complain about 2 magic resist. >.<

Explanation: Probably for her midlane vs ap champs.

Emerald FangFeb 7, 20175 votes

It's sad that people actually care about this. Less than a 1% difference in damage after level 6 or so.

macromiteFeb 7, 20171 votes

her pre 6 is why people are complaining.

Leo1024Feb 6, 20174 votes

Because most melee champs are AD and have access to item 3814 , item 3156 and item 3139 for magic resistance, the tanks of course can build item 3065 , item 3102 and a item 3026 , and Katarina is AP so she's pretty much limited to an item 3001 for MR of any kind

Glory ln DeathFeb 6, 20175 votes

So, why don't Fizz and Akali get bonus MR, too?

The EcdysiastFeb 7, 20174 votes

Because Akali's W isn't revealed by control wards and Fizz becomes untargetable on top of Zhonya's.

Glory ln DeathFeb 7, 20173 votes

So why didn't Akali get bonus MR when her W was revealed by pink wards?

Squidward DabFeb 7, 20174 votes

i mean she used to get bonus arm and mr in her shroud

Ayame IsakiFeb 7, 20171 votes

That was removed a long time ago. I also think the lack of the extra MR is a factor of her old passive; the thought was she could spell vamp minor poke from mages. With the way her passive works now, she could probably use that MR to help her early laning.

Baron of BreadFeb 7, 20172 votes

Then why doesn't Diana as well?

Leo1024Feb 7, 20173 votes

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Then why doesn't Diana as well?

shields op

ReZisT LustFeb 7, 20171 votes

she can build those mr items if she wanted sje scales both ways so one that gives ad isnt too bad

Leo1024Feb 7, 20171 votes

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she can build those mr items if she wanted sje scales both ways so one that gives ad isnt too bad

when's the last time you've seen AD katarina be somewhat meta?

ReZisT LustFeb 8, 20171 votes

like i said she CAN if she wanted to since she scales with both it doesnt matter if its meta or not

voidterror1Feb 7, 20174 votes

You're grasping at straws, friend. This isn't really an issue at all

LVL 5 POROFeb 7, 20173 votes

Because her laning is trash and she needs some type of survivability.

Tychusfindlay919Feb 7, 20171 votes

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Because her laning is trash and she needs some type of survivability.

News flash, her update gave her a super potent level 2/3 cheese.

LVL 5 POROFeb 7, 20172 votes

Her being able to cheese doesn't mean her laning is good, it means her laning is so bad she has to cheese. Most people are aware of this now, so they never die to it. And if you do, you're just bad. Also, in order for the cheese to work she has to take ignite, but most Kats run Ghost now, so the cheese is pretty much dead now. So yes, her laning is trash provided the person she lanes against isnt a complete potato.

Tychusfindlay919Feb 7, 20171 votes

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Her being able to cheese doesn't mean her laning is good, it means her laning is so bad she has to cheese. Most people are aware of this now, so they never die to it. And if you do, you're just bad. Also, in order for the cheese to work she has to take ignite, but most Kats run Ghost now, so the cheese is pretty much dead now. So yes, her laning is trash provided the person she lanes against isnt a complete potato.

"most kats run ghost now"

load of shit.

http://www.op.gg/champion/katarina/statistics/mid

over 90% of kat players run ignite, also, the only time her win rate is above 50% is when the game ends between 25-30 minutes...

Ignored. educate yourself first before speaking.

LVL 5 POROFeb 7, 20172 votes

You cherry pick what isnt convenient for you. Well, you cant talk sense to someone unwilling to listen. Good luck dying to kat lmao. Your problem, not mine.

Tychusfindlay919Feb 7, 20171 votes

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You cherry pick what isnt convenient for you. Well, you cant talk sense to someone unwilling to listen. Good luck dying to kat lmao. Your problem, not mine.

Im a top lane darius main u goon, my opinions on kat come from watching mid main streams and through statistics.

LVL 5 POROFeb 7, 20172 votes

So you have no experience and you're just talking out of your ass? Gotcha.

CriticalTrollFeb 7, 20172 votes

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So you have no experience and you're just talking out of your ass? Gotcha.

Oh trust me he has way more experience than you considering his rank and yours. And what you said is above is legit nonsense. Saying katarina has a weak laning phase and that most kat players runs ghost is the most brainless thing i heard in a while. Go check Probuilds.net see and how many high elo katarinas players run ghost on her LUL. And about her having a bad laning phase, well idk dude just cause silvers players have no idea to play her this doesnt mean she has a bad laning phase. I love the way u tell this guy that hes talking out of his ass but you yourself have no idea what ur talking about.

Tychusfindlay919Feb 8, 20171 votes

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Oh trust me he has way more experience than you considering his rank and yours. And what you said is above is legit nonsense. Saying katarina has a weak laning phase and that most kat players runs ghost is the most brainless thing i heard in a while. Go check Probuilds.net see and how many high elo katarinas players run ghost on her LUL. And about her having a bad laning phase, well idk dude just cause silvers players have no idea to play her this doesnt mean she has a bad laning phase. I love the way u tell this guy that hes talking out of his ass but you yourself have no idea what ur talking about.

I figured she was speaking out of her ass when she said "kat" and "ghost" in the same sentence. I watch voyboy and scarra, two rather gifted katarina players, and neither of them have EVER ran ghost in all the time I've seen them stream.

LVL 5 POROFeb 8, 20171 votes

You are making statements regarding game balance when you have no experience mid against a champ that gets easily shit on by any kind of hard CC or mobility. Just because you're a higher rank does not mean you arent retarded or know better.

CasterGilgameshFeb 7, 20171 votes

Couldn't you just buy item 3156 to shut her down?

Asayake 5150glowFeb 6, 20172 votes

Melees don't have a consistent base MR... do they?

I know all ranged have 30 MR, but I think for melee's it's never consistent.

QuephaFeb 6, 20173 votes

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Melees don't have a consistent base MR... do they?

Actually they do. All champions in the game have either 30 base MR with no MR/level (mostly ranged champions) or about 32 MR at level 1 with a little more MR every level (mostly melee champions) capping at about 53 MR at level 18. There are, however, two exceptions to this pattern in the game:

Ivern has 30 base MR at level 1 but still gets scaling MR per level, ending up with about 51 MR at level 18.
Katarina starts with about 34 MR at level 1 and gets scaling MR per level up to 55 at level 18.

It does seem strange to have exactly two champions break the pattern, and in a way that looks like it was a mistake with the base level 1 values as opposed to some actual unique scaling meant for them.

MrHaZeYoFeb 6, 20171 votes

Doesn't Galio break the pattern?

I just looked, nope, thought he got a buff while back that gave him better scaling MR.

QuephaFeb 6, 20171 votes

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Doesn't Galio break the pattern?

I just looked, nope, thought he got a buff while back that gave him better scaling MR.

He was buffed to match other melee champions, he used to have the squishier 30 base with no scaling MR/level of a ranged champion. The logic was that he played more like a ranged mage in lane and didn't need the MR.

YumaS2AstralFeb 6, 20171 votes

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He was buffed to match other melee champions, he used to have the squishier 30 base with no scaling MR/level of a ranged champion. The logic was that he played more like a ranged mage in lane and didn't need the MR.

Galio was buffed after Athene's nerfs (which was a core item for him) (this item got its magic resistance reduced) to compensate

TurquoiseYoshiFeb 6, 20172 votes

Ivern it kinda makes sense, he's a really funky champ and nothing about him really fits a champion norm. Katarina is kinda random, and is so exact in being two above everyone else that I think it's an overlook.

All Day Tay TayFeb 7, 20171 votes

From the wiki Magic Resistance (or MR) is a stat that all units have, including minions, monsters, and buildings. Increasing magic resistance reduces the magic damage the unit takes. Each champion begins with some magic resistance which may increase with level. You can gain additional magic resistance from abilities, items, masteries, and runes. Magic resistance stacks additively.

All champions begin with 30 or 32.1 base magic resistance with the exception of Maokai and Katarina. Currently no ranged champion gains magic resistance per level, but most melee champions do except Kassadin and Yasuo.

Elise, Gnar, Jayce, Kayle and Nidalee do not gain magic resistance per level because they are not always melee champions due to their variable attack range.

All champions that do gain magic resistance per level gain 1.25 magic resistance per level, reaching 53.4 base magic resistance at level 18.

QuephaFeb 7, 20171 votes

That section seems to need an update as Maokai currently has 32 MR at level 1 with scaling MR in line with the other "high MR" champions. There was a time when he had 30 base MR with no scaling MR like all "low MR" champions but I don't think he has ever had a unique base MR (or if he did it was a very long time ago).

5000000000000000Feb 7, 20171 votes

There are a few pages on the wikia that are rarely updated. Stats like MR or AD rarely get updated, because it's a pain to update everything whenever changes happen.