Creep. Rounds. Should. Award. The. Same. Number. Of. items. To. Every. Player. Who. Passes.

is almost as the gamemode were made by balance team.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/188524948690698240/590685801223028746/Screen_Shot_2019-06-18_at_6.54.14_PM.png

Perfectly balanced comrade, my Pyke has 3 finished items at 4 minutes into the game.

Oh, I also won, surely coincidence though.

Bring this up on the PBE boards if you haven't already.

https://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/

pleaseeeeeeee riot......... pleaseeeee, im tired of losing a win streak early bc the other person has a whole finished item that works well with their pick while i have braum with a large rod...

The whole point of autochess games and what makes them fun is that they aren't completely fair and you have chances to get extremely lucky. It isn't completely balanced. That being said, you can still land top 4 almost every time if you're a good player unless you're up against people just as good as you (and I mean exact same skill level in every way). You have chances to counter play people who are really farm ahead in your build. You have the counterplay of being able to loss streak and then going for a super good late game team. You have the ability to out macro and out position your enemy. You have the ability to know which items are better (if you happen to get any) on which character. You have plenty of opportunities to beat someone who has good RNG if you're truly better than them. But yes, if you two are the exact same skill level in every catagory, and you're not better at them in ANYTHING, it's complete rng, which again, is something a lot of the AutoChess fanbase likes... and this game was made for that fanbase.

Underlords has it so you get to pick from 3 choices, but if you lose the wave you get a random one. Its better than complete RNG lol...

WTF? Ranked where winning is based on rng? Hows that make sense to anyone but riot themselves. Fkn %%%%%% company

Pretty sure the gamemode is just to sell overpriced skins for even more things. Is it supposed to be competitive? Is that just what is or is that just what it is billed as. Riot can call a game competitive all they want, it's the community that actually makes a game competitive or not.

Totally agree. Also this is not the only RNG part of the mode.

I tried out the game mode. I played around 10 games. Every damn time the game was decided by RNG.

Here are the RNG parts of it:

1. You get random items
2. You might get items. Meaning any between 0 and 3. You get no items and your opponents got 2-3 of them.
3. You get champs at random. So you might never collect 3 to upgrade to level 2 if your luck is shit. Have fun loosing to people who have multiple level 3 champs, while you have none.
4. The items itself are random. You might get AP items for full AD team. You might get 6 mana items meanwhile your opponents are running the strongest items for the right champs.
5. The game punishes you for playing well. The worst players get to pick rewards first. (1 champ with an added item to it)
6. You can literally waste infinite number of gold and never get the champion you want.
7. Your champs are either Challenger level or Iron Tier. They change targets at random. They don't finish off weakened enemies, They attack the full HP tank instead of the ADC who is 1 shotting you. They waste Abilities. Example spins with Q even if noone is near him. Wasting his mana/special ability.

It is a fun game mode. But sure as hell it should never become a Ranked perma mode if it's like 90% luck and 10% skill.

Some fixes that might work. Give us gold instead of items. Let us buy items as well as champions. If we want a certain champion let us buy it at a double gold price. That way even if we reroll champions, we do by knowing that we may not get what we want. Accepting the risk/reward.

Don't say it's a comeback mechanic when you give unfair advantage to lower score players. You can actually cheat by intentionally loosing early game, since you only loose a few HP points. Which results in you picking a champion you want or an item which will give you an advantage for the rest of the game.

There was a similarly unfair mechanic in TeamFortress2 where players would sometimes kills you because the game gave them free crits randomly. Making bad players feel better about themselves is a shitty way of handling Ranked.

This mode can still be fixed and it does seem fun to play. Remove the RNG parts.

Ya I noticed that sometimes people hit the jackpot on items early on and just style on everyone early.

I do not understand what you are saying,but if you meant after 3 minion waves go by and enemy item is cheaper than yours so he finishes it first therefore giving him the advantage then i agree with you its somewhat stupid yet IMO hard to fix

No idea how the system works but it should offer a choice of, say, 5 of the same items for each player and then you choose maybe 1 or 2. Or at least that's my preference.

Few solutions:

• Normalize items.
• Nerf items.
• Make some items require 3 item combinations rather than just two.

Some of the strongest items in DAC require 3 random drops and while I disagree that we should have item systems like they do entirely (Fuck getting 10 cloth armors while one guy sports a MoM and Chrysalis), stronger items should require more investment.

items should be more consistent but not normalized.. if you dont get an item on the first 2 you should be guaranteed at least one on the last one, and vice versa, you get 2 between the first 2 combined then you get none on the last..

but lets not forget how glitchy blade masters are, how super ridiculous the rng is on glacial, and how god awful the 6 yordle comp is right now... trist dps is worst ranger, lulu ult doesn't always work, gnar is very bad as mini so if he gets chain cc'ed he does nothing. if not for Kennens' high damage aoe stun and vigar being able to 1 shot if he's a higher level they would be the worst 6 stack

This is partially why I find this very fun game to be somewhat of an RNG fest. Fun yet frustrating.

This really isn't an issue in DAC since you aren't guaranteed components to something good

TFT though? Every item is half of something useful. Having large variance in the number of components easily is a gamechanger. There should be a minimum number of items for sure.

It is a RNG board game. Most everything in the game comes down to a "dice roll." So how seriously you take it, or your rank, is up to you.

It is RNG at that point.

It's just RNG deciding who wins the game.

And it's shitty.

My opinion not everyone should get the same amount of items if anything there should at least be a minimum set of items you can get like 2 or 3 items AT LEAST after minions but the no items is stupid I've dealt with it so far 3 times in a row with somehow going 3rd place in one of them but it was still torture.

I 100% agree with this. This is my only gripe with the gamemode so far. You should get a fixed amount of items based on the difficulty of the encounter and whether or not you pass. It feels super stupid having a good team, with good synergy, just to die because someone has an Aurelion Soul with 4 items or something stupid like that. Or beating one of the difficult PVE bosses just to get dick out of it. It's not fair.