Don't be this person

Heckin Support·Oct 28, 2014·33 votes·3,688 views

Don't be the person to play Katarina on hexakill. Why did riot not put a draft mode of this up.

41 Comments

TeemoHunter1337Oct 29, 201411 votes

whoever plays katarina on hexakill has no enjoyment.

had this freind match history all katarinas hexakill. asked him why he spams it. he said because its op.

oh i didnt realize winning was more important than having fun.

the friend told me he didnt even enjoy it, he just liked how op kat was in hexakill.

CrazycatpersonOct 29, 20148 votes

Some people enjoy winning.

Mr SkeletalOct 29, 20147 votes

If I enjoy a game, I don't necessarily mind losing. Winning just happens to be a nice little bonus to an already worthwhile match.

Lumus AvatarOct 28, 201410 votes

Because it's too fun stomping all the wannabe hexakill kats. A little CC, a little MR, some tank and some coordination with your team and she's no big deal anymore. Your team just has to be smart enough to shut her down quick or keep their distance.

What Is SmiteOct 29, 20142 votes

or play twitch with exhaust and ninja her health from 100-0 with w+bork active+Youmuu's active+ AS out of stealth+ulti= where did the kitty go?

7ha7guy777Oct 29, 20144 votes

screw cat and mouse. this is a game of kat and rat

LeeDarkOct 29, 20143 votes

Where did she go? She shunpo'd away over a wall or into a bush.

LeeDarkOct 29, 20145 votes

So... Pick the right champions, build the right items, AND get a team of randoms to work together. Yeah, that's the definition of healthy counterplay.

Lumus AvatarOct 29, 20148 votes

You're so defeatist. "Pick the right items?" Just build MR. How is that difficult? Banshee's Veil, Spirit Visage, Athene's Unholy Grail, Hexdrinker ->Maw of Malmortius. Pick any two.

"Pick the right champion?" Just pick your favorite and don't lock in right away. If you don't see any CC on your team, switch to your next favorite champ that has some CC. I chose Sona in all but 3 of the Hexakills I played. She has healing, speed buff, and a crazy high burst. Then she has a slow, and a damage reduction. I would slow Kat whenever I saw her so even if she Shunpo'd, she wasn't getting far. I would damage reduce their ADC's (Riven, Lucian, etc) as they were engaging. If Kat started her ult, I'd saved my ult just for her so now she's dancing. And then she dies.

"Get randoms to cooperate?" Then you just ping Kat whenever you see her. Your team wants her dead as much as you do.

You don't give random players enough credit. I've played probably almost 20 Hexakill matches and only lost 2. Every match we've been up against a katarina. In one of the ones we lost, it wasn't the kat that beat us. It was actually the akali...

LeeDarkOct 30, 20141 votes

And in how many did you have a Kat on your team as well?

Still, what I said stands. Even you admit it. You were forced into a champion you didn't want to play (because if you have to go with your second pick, you aren't getting the champ you wanted), and then you were still forced into items specifically to give you enough time to ult the Kat so you could hope your teammates burned her down.

When, as I stated above, they could have just been REASONABLE and allowed us to ban 3 champions per team. IF FOR NO OTHER REASON than to not have to see a Kat every damn game, and Yi in almost as many.

Lumus AvatarOct 31, 20141 votes

I was not forced into a champ I didn't want to play. I played Sona because I DID want to play her and then I realized after my first hexakill match that Sona countered kat well. So I stuck with her. I love being the healer and I love shutting out champs. If there is one champ in the game that I'm really good at shutting down, I'm having a good time. Secondly, you're ALWAYS "Forced" into items. You have to build the items that counter your opponents' strengths and enhance your own. How is that any different from ANY other match EVER? Your argument here is fallacious.

How many did I have a kat on my team? A few, not all of them and as with any game you have those times where you ask why enemy kat seems to be doing better than your kat. all the normal stuff.

You're trying really hard to defend this stance and that's fine. I agree that pick/ban would help much like it did in Ascension. I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying that Kat isn't as hard to counter as you've made her out to be. Yi, I find, is much more difficult to counter simply because of Alpha Strike being so strong. He's untargetable and dealing a large amount of damage and continues to do so when he stops alpha-ing. He can usually start his alpha strike before my DMG nerf power chord hits him, so then it's wasted and he still deals big damage.

Last night, I lost to a team comprised of a Master Yi, a Xin Zhao, a Ryze, a Renekton, a Blitzcrank, and a Sona. No Kat.

there was a Kat on my team. She went 12/11/22.

It's all about team coordination. Every game. My team had poor coordination and I wasn't at the top of my game, either. So even when we had a Kat and they didn't, they still stomped us.

LeeDarkNov 1, 20141 votes

"Just pick your favorite and don't lock in right away. If you don't see any CC on your team, switch to your next favorite champ that has some CC."

That's you. By definition, if you pick your choice champ, then are forced to play a second choice, you are playing something you originally did not want to play. If what you really meant to say was, "Well, sucks for you if your favorite champ doesn't counter what is strong," then that is what you should have said.

As I said, from the beginning, I'm not even talking about specifically Kat. I don't think she is the biggest problem. I do think that people who do think she is should have the right to ban her. Hell, even I would ban her just to keep the game from going stale, because I saw at least one Kat literally every game I played.

As for your example, Yi is a bigger problem than Kat. I said so myself. Though maybe that wasn't in reply to you. I forget. My point is that featured game modes should have bans.

Lumus AvatarNov 3, 20141 votes

I already agreed that bans would be fine seeing how well they worked in Ascension. The rest of that is just you arguing against me because you want me to be wrong.

LeeDarkNov 4, 20141 votes

Actually, the rest of that was a quote, from you, showing that you changed your claims because you realized the first one was idiotic. Don't bother replying. I block morons once I'm done with them.

Lumus AvatarNov 4, 20141 votes

You really know how to lose a discussion with grace. Let me know how that blocking-thing goes.

FloreOct 30, 20143 votes

So... Pick the right champions, build the right items, AND get a team of randoms to work together. Yeah, that's the definition of healthy counterplay.

It.... is.... though...

Like that's literally how this game works. With every champion.

Up against a vayne? better pick a lane bully adc Up against a fed leblanc? Build banshees veil. Up against a mundo and no one has ignite (Take ignite) Prolly ought ot have your midlane build a morello's.

This idea of "teamwork" and "co-ordination" and "counter-picking" and "itemization" is literally how this game is played.

LeeDarkOct 30, 20141 votes

No, having ONE of those routes to stop someone is healthy counterplay. Having to use all three simultaneously isn't. Funny how all your examples in your response have ONE answer that works. They are all either/or situations. Katarina in Hexakill, along with a few other champs, requires the right picks, the right items, AND the team coordination to keep her locked down.

How is that at all the same as "Oh, they picked Mundo... guess I better take ignite." If it were "guess I better build Morellonomicon, take ignite, AND hope my Tristana uses her heal reduction, but doesn't stack it with mine" then it would be similar.

7ha7guy777Oct 29, 20149 votes

galio mains must be loving this

Rew711Oct 29, 20142 votes

yes

Dead WifeOct 29, 20145 votes

I think Yi is more deadly in the Hexakill map He is just so powerful when played well Im more scared of Yi then Kat there :D But its been alot of fun playing the Hexakill.

JedditeOct 29, 20144 votes

Ok, I'll play Mordekaiser. And go 13-1, thus far.

PhoenixOfHeavenOct 29, 20142 votes

Ok, I'll play Mordekaiser. And go 13-1, thus far.

Yes ie tried Mord here too. won 3 matches, 2 with him. how do u do it? I take souls, then ram them into the turrets :D the tank souls work the best!

also I took a teemo once...... he died the minute he reverted :(

LeeDarkOct 29, 20144 votes

Yeah. I don't think Kat is the only problem, or even the biggest problem in TT Hexakill, but seriously... why did we not get bans for this mode? It's ridiculous. The game isn't balanced around six people, so we should get to ban people that are so much better in the clusterfuck that is 12 people on a small map.

rpingOct 29, 20144 votes

I love how people say just CC her and that stuff, also how the whole team needs to coordinate against 1 champion, just 1, and also build and play according that champion, just 1 problem, there are 5 more.

Zen FuryOct 29, 20142 votes

I love how people say just CC her and that stuff...

But it's true. I know it's a ton-o-fun blowing your ultimates, stun skills, knock-ups, etc. on whatever happens to be passing near your cursor but that's a sure way to clean-up Kat hop in and destroy your team.

Wait until she ults and lock her down (or if you have enough cc, lock her down and kill her first).

also how the whole team needs to coordinate against 1 champion, just 1, and also build and play according that champion, just 1 problem, there are 5 more.

The whole team doesn't need to coordinate to kill her. You just need the person who can interrupt her to not waste their skill shot until she shows up.

rpingOct 29, 20142 votes

I love how people say just CC her and that stuff...

But it's true. I know it's a ton-o-fun blowing your ultimates, stun skills, knock-ups, etc. on whatever happens to be passing near your cursor but that's a sure way to clean-up Kat hop in and destroy your team.

Wait until she ults and lock her down (or if you have enough cc, lock her down and kill her first).

also how the whole team needs to coordinate against 1 champion, just 1, and also build and play according that champion, just 1 problem, there are 5 more.

The whole team doesn't need to coordinate to kill her. You just need the person who can interrupt her to not waste their skill shot until she shows up.

Well then, nerfs shouldn't happen as every champion can be CC'd and killed, Kat was a problem on every new mode, ascension best example, and now here too, the only thing that's good is targeted CC but well if I need to play only certain champions cause of 1 then the problem is with the one champ, many agree she is a problem in hexakill, you can continue to be delusional.

DriftingSmokeOct 29, 20143 votes

"We want to create the most positive community that exists in the gaming world." - Riot

Meanwhile, in game...

Ginger976Oct 29, 20142 votes

"We want to create the most positive community that exists in the gaming world." - Riot

Meanwhile, in game...

Not true. They want to create the most sterile community in the world.

OnlyDefaultOct 29, 20143 votes

Simple. Because its fun to use her and play.

Even when people ask for URF, Kat will still be the same.

Trading AcesOct 29, 20143 votes

Steamrolled through with a team of Ali, Malph, Blitz, Riven, Zed, and someone else. Needless to say, Kat was useless. Still cocky &salty despite being ~6/11. May have lost, but was satisfied.

lvl 2 lagspikeOct 29, 20143 votes

I just bought the Kitty Kat skin... of course Im going to play Katarina...

EliteGunm4nOct 29, 20143 votes

seriously she isn't that strong in hexakill. Just save a little CC for her jump and then delete her. Crushed multiple Katarinas in Hexakill so far as leona.

DSRM MobiusOct 28, 20142 votes

lol

Vellich0rOct 29, 20142 votes

I pick it just in case the other team picks it. of course i only played 3 matches of hexakill to get the icon because lets be honest, it kinda sucks.

Der LindwurmOct 29, 20142 votes

Fiddlesticks is worse.

Der LindwurmOct 29, 20142 votes

I've seen some rival Kats do pretty horribly in Hexakill.

They probably heard that they'd win instantly if they played Kat.

LOL

TenSlashTenOct 29, 20142 votes

I played this mode First game I actually did play kat. I was like"hm I'm bored, nothing to farm because I share with allies and No 5gp10 items like lock pick to build and then just harass with Q"

you basically just feed yourself off idiots stupid enough to die to a rank 6 kat ult..(like how does that even happen.. its so weak..lol...)

Xin Zhao MainOct 29, 20142 votes

LMao

Ariel the CruelOct 30, 20142 votes

I disagree. Please pick her. I've played a tank every game so far, and deleted her each time. Kat is annoying, but she's also a 1-trick pony. Cancel her ult, and she's nothing but a squishy with a low CD blink.

The problem as I see it, is everyone always wants to play the high damage assassins in this game mode. And that's great. Really! Until you realize that the other team is doing the same thing, none of you have any CC or strong tank line, and the first team to get a Kat ult off, wins. Honestly, I don't get it. I get to champ select and there first things to get insta-locked follow the trend of: Yi, Fizz, Kat, Fiora, Azir, etc. There's more to this game than having the highest damage you know. :/

Need Gold 4 TentOct 30, 20142 votes

it's actually the map size and the number of players that makes kat stronger here than rift.

Small map = AoE mage heaven from 12 man fights occuring a lot more often More players = more resets occuring = more AoE

plus, because of the sheer number of people on the map versus the limited resources, you also get a heavily imbalanced power distribution across teams. likely the person who gave first blood will now remain level 3 when the highest on his team is 5 and the rest are 4. Levels ramp up slowly with natural growth, and because of that, snowballers become gods. And what is kat if not a snowballer?