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ARAM isn't ARAM anymore

Drunk Rummate··28 votes·2,457 views

ARAM is a completely different game with the introduction of Mark/Dash. I just don't understand why this was added into a gametype that was already fun and successful.

The really sad thing is that if you look at winrates, poke champions are STILL winning by a huge margin. So this summoner spell hasn't actually improved the balance of ARAM because Ziggs, Sona, etc. are all still winning by huge percentages. All mark/dash has done is change ARAM into Poro King.

I just can't even bring myself to play anymore... it really needs to be removed or given it's own separate mode. Bring back old ARAM please.

35 Comments

AnnoyingOrange114 votes

But really? For real? Riot, guys, omfg, YOU REALLY DID THINK THAT MARK/DASH' BIGGEST PROBLEME WAS IT'S DAMAGE? :D Oh, my god, how stupid are you. XD

Dr Poro3 votes

The damage is the reason why EVERYONE picked it. Now it'll only be good on melee champs who actually want to be using the second proc. ranged champs will be going back to heal.

Ice Weasel X5 votes

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The damage is the reason why EVERYONE picked it. Now it'll only be good on melee champs who actually want to be using the second proc. ranged champs will be going back to heal.

Nope. Mark is still the majority pick next to Flash. As I keep saying, it's not just a damage dealer/gap closer.

  • It damages
  • It closes gaps
  • It provides ult range proximity vision
  • It provides True Sight of whatever it hits, including stealthed champs
  • It synergizes with Luden's Echo, enabling double procs (how many melee champs does this help?)
  • It zones through the threat of all of the above

Have you played since the 5.9 patch? Snowballs, snowballs, everywhere.

Doom Annie Bot13 votes

Agree, ARAM sucks ass for a while now. Just because someone thought it was good idea to bring mark/dash from poro king, doesnt mean I approve this boring ass snowfight annie/amumu/alistar in the face style of play. Now, aram can stay in trash with new TT and Dominion where they all belong. See if i care. Back to SR.

Battlecast Sona6 votes

Because getting someone like DrMundo and then rerolling twice to get Galio and then having to play an ARAM as Udyr is just the definition of fun, especially when you're playing against Sona Nidalee Ziggs.

Khalamete2 votes

Guardian's Horn and magic resist work wonders, y'know.

Doom Annie Bot3 votes

You would be supryzed how easy was to carry game with Galio.

Dessim84 votes

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Because getting someone like DrMundo and then rerolling twice to get Galio and then having to play an ARAM as Udyr is just the definition of fun, especially when you're playing against Sona Nidalee Ziggs.

WTF? You'd reroll MUNDO? You're rerolling a poke based champ that has only benefitted from both the regen/self heal buff patch and the return of Warmog's? I bet you'd reroll Warwick an Alistar too!

You should brush your teeth with dynamite. At the very least, I can say I'll never see you at 1.8-2k ELO.

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Mark/Dash is a godsend. Makes ARAM so much more fun and chaotic. I can't believe I was playing ARAM without it before this.

Just take the dmg away and make it a diving tool and I'm sure people will be more accepting of it.

btw why the hell are people still equating balance with fun? Balance doesn't necessarily equal fun.

Dunno, why don't you ask Summoner's Rift players about balance and fun? Why do we need to get a disjointed mutant that acts like an autistic and hyperactive communist rather than a chummy fellow that can get along with everyone?

Your opinion =/= fact.

TeemoJenkins5 votes

The champs are no longer random and everyone doesn't go Mid?

All Random All Mid... sounds like it's still ARAM to me.

Drunk Rummate7 votes

Legend of the Poro King was all random all mid as well, but it wasn't called ARAM. I'm referring to ARAM as a game type, not the literal definition of the mode.

XeroKimo3 votes

Except for the fact that you were able to pick your champs so I guess you could call it.........

AM!.....

I'm just gonna kick myself out the door now.... bad jokes are bad T_T

GuardDX1 votes

It's called APAM

MacDthree1 votes

the logic that was used to shut down your retarded comment made me laugh more than it should have

FDru5 votes

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I just don't understand why this was added

Then you must be about as smart as a brick. ARAM was only "fun" for cheaters.

The really sad thing is that if you look at winrates, poke champions are STILL winning by a huge margin.

It hasn't been out long enough for the general population of idiots to understand how to use it, so people are still diving 1v5 and getting blowed up. That's okay, because despite the handful of disgustingly broken poke champs, range are not as utterly dominant as they were before. Especially marksmen (who got a huge buff with the "heal nerf").

Vistha Kai4 votes

Then you must be about as smart as a brick. ARAM was only "fun" for cheaters.

Just lawl.

Drunk Rummate13 votes

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Then you must be about as smart as a brick. ARAM was only "fun" for cheaters.

Interesting, because I didn't cheat and I had plenty of fun. And what does my ability to have fun and make that observation have to do with my intelligence? I'd wager I'm more intelligent than you are, friend.

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It hasn't been out long enough for the general population of idiots to understand how to use it, so people are still diving 1v5 and getting blowed up. That's okay, because despite the handful of disgustingly broken poke champs, range are not as utterly dominant as they were before. Especially marksmen (who got a huge buff with the "heal nerf").

People still build Runaans Hurricane on Caitlyn and Athenes on Alistar in ARAMs. You're severely overestimating the ability of people to react to change, or even care, if you think time will improve winrate balance as people "adapt." People play this mode to avoid the stress of summoners rift, all Mark/Dash does is add to the stress without improving anything else.

Doom Annie Bot3 votes

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Heal n Peel1 votes

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Rly nigga? Did you meant smurf LUX/NIDA/ZIGGS accounts or something? **Riot should unlock whole champion pool for this gamemode in the first place **+ IP penalties for leaving in champ. select and wasting others time. Instead of this simple improve, riot implemented snowballs. How nice.

Well, that or match players based on how many champs they own. Though unlocking the whole pool would be easier.

Dr Easter4 votes

Yep, posted the same thing a few days ago. This spell either needs to go or be allowed only in the champions Riot "wanted to help" when they introduced it

Adain4 votes

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Yep, posted the same thing a few days ago. This spell either needs to go or be allowed only in the champions Riot "wanted to help" when they introduced it

This is the real issue, I understand what they tried to do. They failed miserably but I understand. Anything that will allow champs like rene and such to engage is going to be completely broken on champions like mumu, ali, and kat.

If they are dead set on keeping it the cool down needs to be at least doubled.

i enjoyed ARAM for what it was, a nice laid back game mode where you didn't have to deal will all the toxic trash from ranked. You still get them form time to time but wasn't every game.

Dr Poro4 votes

If you were any kind of serious ARAM player, you'd know that the game was in a pretty stale state where all you'd see were 4-5 poke champs (and the occasional hard engager that worked without Mark) per team. If you started the game with less than 2 pokers/healers it was GG already. ARAM is in a much better state right now as there are over 3 times as many viable champions and champs from all classes are actually viable now (as opposed to mages, marksmen and some tanks) While the tanks that were already good have gotten better now, assassins (of which some that had waveclear were already okay) and more importantly the Bruisers found their way in. Other than J4 and perhaps wukong, there were no bruisers that you didn't want to reroll ASAP. Now you can even play renekton and not be a sitting duck until mid/late game where you were probably so far behind that you could probably never be able to win against a mage/marksman anyways.

Distaste2 votes

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If you were any kind of serious ARAM player, you'd know that the game was in a pretty stale state where all you'd see were 4-5 poke champs (and the occasional hard engager that worked without Mark) per team. If you started the game with less than 2 pokers/healers it was GG already. ARAM is in a much better state right now as there are over 3 times as many viable champions and champs from all classes are actually viable now (as opposed to mages, marksmen and some tanks) While the tanks that were already good have gotten better now, assassins (of which some that had waveclear were already okay) and more importantly the Bruisers found their way in. Other than J4 and perhaps wukong, there were no bruisers that you didn't want to reroll ASAP. Now you can even play renekton and not be a sitting duck until mid/late game where you were probably so far behind that you could probably never be able to win against a mage/marksman anyways.

That isn't true at all. The bruisers and tanks now rain supreme. Mark/dash eliminates the advantages that ranged had rendering them useless unless they have a team that can protect them because any time they come out past tower they get dashed to and destroyed. Mark/Dash eliminates what those classes were balanced around, having range and escapes. You can't escape with mark/dash being used because it's stupid range and cooldown. Even if you get to your tower you're not safe since mark/dash provides a low risk tower dive that most bruisers survive easily. Assuming that those playing are competent, mark/dash makes less champions viable than ever before.

Leblancs Boob3 votes

Really? Because I for one loved sitting 30 feet behind my turret because the enemy team had a bunch of aram only accounts abusing the system and only getting champions like Nidalee, Sona, Xerath, etc.

Ice Weasel X5 votes

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Really? Because I for one loved sitting 30 feet behind my turret because the enemy team had a bunch of aram only accounts abusing the system and only getting champions like Nidalee, Sona, Xerath, etc.

I never felt the need to hide that far behind my turret before Mark/Dash. I do now if I'm low health, because that 2500 range true damage + gapcloser threat means I'm dead if they hit me. The only things that could hit you at that range before were ults and really lucky Fiddlesticks crow bounces.

Jungle Lux God3 votes

ARAM is still ARAM.

It just makes it so that RNGesus doesn't completely fuck you over with a really bad champion for the game mode.

I'm pretty sure that if anyone gets a random melee champion with bad range would like to at least somewhat contribute to their team without having to fill out their inventory with support items, and Mark/Dash at least helps with that.

Beatus Victoria3 votes

Not worth playing ARAM until they remove or nerf it further.

Nightshade32263 votes

Even with the snowball, ranged poke comps are still superior.

If you hate it so much and demand it be removed, that's fine. However you should be willing to offer up a better alternative in its place because setting ARAM back to how it was is not a good answer.

Ice Weasel X2 votes

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Even with the snowball, ranged poke comps are still superior.

This is because the snowball creates a faster kill potential environment, and ranged comps tend to be stronger in the early game. Melee comps tend to maul them in late game. The snowball doesn't hurt ranged champs if they use it. It gives them more kill potential too.

If you hate it so much and demand it be removed, that's fine. However you should be willing to offer up a better alternative in its place because setting ARAM back to how it was is not a good answer.

I've actually already suggested a way to keep the Mark without making it attractive to ranged champions. As much as I hate the spell, I'm okay with short range champions having a ranged engage tool, if only so people would quit complaining about getting melee champs. I primarily hate that it's currently a spell that leaves you as a liability to your team if you don't use it, so there are snowballs cluttering the map constantly. Riot claimed it was to help short range champions, but long range champions still use it. My friend scored a Lux penta kill with it. I'm pretty sure Lux isn't a champion who needed ARAM assistance. There's too much utility loaded into one spammable spell.

Yankspanker2 votes

Mark/Dash is a godsend. Makes ARAM so much more fun and chaotic. I can't believe I was playing ARAM without it before this.

Just take the dmg away and make it a diving tool and I'm sure people will be more accepting of it.

btw why the hell are people still equating balance with fun? Balance doesn't necessarily equal fun.

CircusT4ffy1 votes

Why not just make the true damage only apply if you dash, that way play making champions can hopefully actually do something with Mark/Dash leaving it a non-option for the poke characters?

Just a thought.

R1101 votes

That is basically did this patch :)

Ice Weasel X2 votes

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That is basically did this patch :)

They changed it to 25% damage on Mark, 75% on Dash. It's still not enough of a nerf to discourage using it on ranged players. The damage is far from the only reason to choose it. Even if you do choose it for the damage, 25% from Mark is still more than Ignite if you use it constantly.

R1101 votes

But health regen exists, the damage will be healed before the cooldown is back up.

Ice Weasel X1 votes

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But health regen exists, the damage will be healed before the cooldown is back up.

Not if you're getting hit enough. Games usually have multiple snowballers on each team. If you get hit constantly, your regen alone isn't going to keep up unless you're one of the high regen tanks. The snowballs can easily negate regen on most champs, which is why people have to retreat so far behind their turrets when they're low.

ValikK1 votes

A sad topic for today. Mark/dash is a bit in a sad spot for many people at the moment - but I see where rot was going with this. Melee champs, especially burst heavy ones with little tank, suffered greatly in ARAM because of the incredible focus at distance. Rengar Rengar, for example, won't be able to build up his damage and leap atop unsuspecting victims from the brush like he wants to... sorry kitty! item 3070 Rengar

in Aram, Rengar should build to be a resistant, more tanky version of the Rengar he was supposed to be in order to win the game... but that only takes the cat nip out of his pan and expects him to preform just as good. Now that he can't gank anyone, because - you know - 1 lane and all, he can't pick off enemies, and if he dives in, he's going to be toasted before he can do any real damage - harming his team by putting them in a 4v5. The only way you can play him in ARAM is by sitting back, throwing Bolas at close by enemies and waiting for the enemy team to slip up so that you can counter-engage and sweep up a kill or two to make it a 4/3v5. That meant that everyone with Rengar would be sad, because they knew that they had to just stay back and wait in order to help their team... and in most cases, they'd be helpless as ranged champions poke them down without any threat of counter-play... and that's not cool, bro.

So I can see where Mark/Dash came in. They wanted Melee champions to not be so sad in ARAM. They wanted champions like Braum Braum , Jarvan JarvanIV , and Singed Singed to actually be solid champions to play with in the game mode. Braum may have his ult up, but he has to wait for an enemy to jump in before he can use it effectively... not anymore, he can mark/dash in and use that ult to help his team and not feel so sad! Jarvan no longer has to sit back and stab at his enemies, throwing flags and trying to hit the enemy from afar as he gets bursted down by volleys of enemy poke, he can mark/dash in and cataclysm the enemy team, doing something useful without having to wait for the enemies to mess up. No longer will singed be sitting in a cloud of his own poison, flicking puddles of glue at the enemy after running in and being melted time and time again - inducing nothing but rage and hatred from his companions and not helping one bit. Now he can Mark/dash in! And even if he doesn't survive the focus of the enemy team, he can deal enough damage and cause enough chaos to open them up to his teammates, letting them take the win!

A good idea in concept: give the champions of the abyss a gap closer so that they can make some nice plays and feel useful for once. Tryndamere will actually be useful in aram! Yay! Tryndamere summoner 31

But it's not all sunshine and rainbows, sadly, they didn't turn the abyss into candy-land and make the poros crap rainbows and sing poetry. No, the mark/dash was taken because it was a beef-ball in and of itself.

They put damage on the snowball because it wouldn't be so fun to use without damage, wouldn't it? But then it became like a sniper-ignite. Dealing a considerable amount of damage for having such a shot cooldown and such a wicked range. Even with the damage nerfed, that's not the point, If stabbing someone in the face with Garen's sword deals 97 damage + armor. A snowball to the face shouldn't deal 30 outright. 3 snowballs shouldn't match a huge sword! summoner 32 summoner 32 summoner 32 item 1038 and I don't care what Nunu says! item 3070 Nunu

Aside from that, you still have the true sight. I understand that this can be useful for seeing what you're getting into. it IS critical knowing of you're about to dash-ult onto their low health LeBlanc Leblanc and not their tanky Gallio Galio but it's still too much. Teemo may be annoying, but seeing him in stealth makes it so much easier to counter-play him that it's almost useless item 2043 summoner 32 Teemo.

A true story: I was playing ARAM the other day and had the incredible fortune of being Shaco. Shaco The lovely clown is very useful at creating chaos for the enemy... but I was stealthed from my Q and was about to close in on their low health KatarinaKatarina . I was completely separate from my team, so even if she jumps in - it wont be on me! But then, their Allistar Alistar hits me with a snowball. Even when stealthed, they can see me! Kat jumps me instantly, and then Ali slams me into a wall for good measure. Needless to say, I got melted. The snowball shouldn't destroy gameplay aspects inherent to certain champions when it's designed to do something completely different.

The concept of the gap closer is solid, a good idea to get gap closing champions into the fray. But now ranged champions are using it! I saw a Ziggs dash under a turret, throw down some of those slowing bomb things, then throw his W down beneath him to launch himself out of range - and also knock an enemy into the mines and kill them. Good play, mind you, but it's ZIGGSZiggs Ziggs Ziggs summoner 32 Ziggs he doesn't need any help in ARAM! He's already the ARAM king!

Should The snowball of love be taken out of ARAM? I don't think so, personally. But with the on hit / dash to damage, the true sight and the ridiculously low cooldown. dramatic inhale it's just not what the game mode needs to be balanced. I think that it would be a far less as extraordinary problem if they just winded up the Cooldown so that you can only throw one every 50 seconds or so, rather than every 20 seconds. If they did that and got rid of the damage aspect, and didn't grant vision to units hit - but rather put a snowflake over their head so if they ARE visible then you know who you're diving.

If you can't get rid of it. Fix it. Velkoz

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