OK Riot, seriously, the grinding for these icons is fucking stupid.

Remlap1223·Aug 2, 2015·70 votes·3,316 views

I'm sorry, but the amount of grinding needed to get these icons is unbelievable. I thought the Act II grinding was bad, but I've never had so many pointless matches until this stupid game mode. I just got done with a match where me and my team roflstomped. But it didn't do shit to my icon reward because I already won my two matches, and because the enemy team surrendered so quickly, I wasn't able to get any progress towards the level 3 upgrades. Never, ever do this crap again. The toxicity as a result of these "awards" is equal to that of Solo Queue.

51 Comments

LuggAug 2, 201528 votes

I have to agree on this one. I don't mind a bit of a grind, but this is ridiculous.

A Miss FortuneAug 3, 20158 votes

Yeah, I liked the Act I and II, you didn't get them instantly but you had to play a few games or so to get them.

This is kind of ridiculous and I feel worse for the GP icons, the TF/Graves ones still require at least 6 wins which isn't easy on this game mode since minions snowball now and if you get something like the Razorfins to level 3 with a Banner or Baron Buff, they become insanely strong and can very easily kill you.

Still, getting 750 Krakens is uh, wow. I thought it was a glitch at first when my friend told me.

Yxgl222HaXAug 3, 20151 votes

Yeah i played the TF one all the way through, it diddnt seem like much of a grind to me personally, but thats likely due to the fact that i won 11/1 games. I just was a dick and spammed shyvanna/ww devourer jungle and counter jungled (counter jungleing is the fastest way of getting krack that ive found so far as you get 1+ ever camp and +1 every minute as well as on assists ect) So it diddnt take me super long but if it takes 12 games when you win 11 of them i can imagine it must take alot longer if youre losing. And just for a "meh" icon everyones going to forget about when the next one comes out. Seriously we all have tons of icons we never use from these things. Shoulda made it to just be like 1 win with each brawler type and leave it at that thats still a minimum of 4 games probally closer to 6 for most players. Which is more or less what you need for the teambuilder icons right? - shrugs- who needs logic tho~

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ElJanitorFrankAug 3, 20159 votes

You could just...not do it.

It's not like you're required to do it, all you're getting is an icon you probably won't use for more than a week anyway.

Count BuffonAug 3, 20155 votes

Somehow I agree with this and the OP at the same time. If I actually cared about the icons, I would be annoyed at the process.

ElJanitorFrankAug 3, 20158 votes

I get it, if you want the icons then you wouldn't want to grind, but realistically, maybe 2% of the people who grind to get it will use it for an extended period of time anyway.

I want the icon, I'll grind for it because I'm slightly a completionist, I suppose. However, I'm not going to complain about the grind, because there isn't a tangible reason to grind.

Vistha KaiAug 3, 20157 votes

What can you possibly know about grind?

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Miku AppendAug 3, 20151 votes

THIS.

Vistha KaiAug 3, 20151 votes

At least in League of Legends's grind you see the progress.

Ariel the CruelAug 3, 20153 votes

Warframe sees progress. Every few months you can spend 5 hours getting the newest suit. Or if a prime rolls around, you can spend 30 hours getting it. Then you can spend 3 hours getting the newest weapon. Then you can spend the next 40 hours leveling them all up. Which will count towards increasing your mastery rank. But you will have to take a test to actually rank up (limited to once every 24 hours).

. . . Oh, I forgot crafting time. Add another 48 hours real time.

Vistha KaiAug 3, 20151 votes

You have no guarantee you will ever drop a thing you need. There is no counter for that, either.

Leveling new gear takes 2 hours top of Draco.

Crowe StalkerAug 3, 20152 votes

God forbid you actually craft an item and realize it's crap too. I was a fan of the Torid and the Quanta respectively for a while until I eventually manned up and got the Penta... Best. Gun. Ever. I quit the game after realizing that putting in a Forma reduces the weapon down to Level 1 again (had never Formaed anything before because I never found a weapon worth it. And don't get me wrong, the Penta was fun, but leveling a weapon without mods is not.) I was okay with the Mastery Grind because I was having a lot of fun at low levels playing with impractical weapons but as you get higher up, the fun stuff becomes ridiculously weak and having to grind your weapons to max level multiple times for ultimate efficiency is just ridiculous.

Also screw waiting Three and a Half Days (and that's a generous estimate, if you have all the materials and all of the component schematics) for a new Warframe that's only level 1 and can't even use abilities yet...

Ariel the CruelAug 3, 20151 votes

had never Formaed anything before because I never found a weapon worth it. And don't get me wrong, the Penta was fun, but leveling a weapon without mods is not.)

The only thing I've ever forma'ed was my duel Zorens (I love those things). Then damage 2.0 came along and weakened them. (goodbye crit build.) Then melee 2.0 came along and made them horribly inefficient (goodbye attack speed build.) Then they further modified stealth damage to applying only once per target and only if no enemies are aware of you. (Goodbye fast-attack Loki build.)

Don't get me wrong, all these things made the game better overall. But there's just no point in using duel Zorens anymore over, say, a void dagger.

Hopefully parkour 2.0 will make them at least viable again (they're removing stamina).

Incidentally, Trinity and Duel Zorens are the only things I've potatoed.

Crowe StalkerAug 3, 20151 votes

I've never really been a big fan of attack speed/crit builds, I prefer a clean hit that deals a solid chunk of damage reliably, even if I can augment critical chance and multiplier. Part of the reason I went to the Galatine post nerf (this was before they reworked Two Handed Weapons and Galatine turned from Trash-Tier to Godlike for a lowbie) I've honestly used a lot more Potatoes than I'm proud of, but I had a lot of fun with Warframe until I started using Formas.

And unfortunately that's the nature of these kinds of games. Sure, one build's REALLY FUN NOW, but it will eventually get nerfed and suddenly you are left wondering what happened, or something you used to run gets buffed and it's like 'God, why did I sell that?'

Unfortunately Warframe suffered more from this than any MMO I've played, but when you find that one thing that works for you, it just feels so amazing honestly.

Ariel the CruelAug 4, 20151 votes

Duel Zorens had an innately high crit multiplayer, and the highest attack speed for a long time. When fully spec'ed, you could crit on almost every attack for about 1/3 the damage a fully charged (non-crit) Galatine swing (about 1/2 before the stealth damage nerf). The catch being that Galatine took about 2 seconds to fully charge, while the Zorens hit about 2 times per second.

But like I said, the games changes pretty much gutted it's viability. Damage 2.0 made Crit builds weak at higher levels, instead favoring the resist/weakness meta game. Melee 2.0 cut it's attack speed almost in half. It also made melee weapons drain stamina with every individual swing (Zorens had 2-4 per attack), which meant the only way to maintain their DPS was to use the energy->stamina mod. Which only compounded the problem since now you can't use abilities.

Kholdstare13Aug 4, 20151 votes

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The only thing I've ever forma'ed was my duel Zorens (I love those things). Then damage 2.0 came along and weakened them. (goodbye crit build.) Then melee 2.0 came along and made them horribly inefficient (goodbye attack speed build.) Then they further modified stealth damage to applying only once per target and only if no enemies are aware of you. (Goodbye fast-attack Loki build.)

Don't get me wrong, all these things made the game better overall. But there's just no point in using duel Zorens anymore over, say, a void dagger.

Hopefully parkour 2.0 will make them at least viable again (they're removing stamina).

Incidentally, Trinity and Duel Zorens are the only things I've potatoed.

Speed zorens still copter better than just about everything. It's a mobility melee now. (and honestly since melee 2.0 melee hasn't been worth it for anything BUT mobility outside of maybe the redeemer and glaive prime)

cheezzyyAug 3, 20156 votes

the point of the icons is you get something for simply playing. me and my friends got them just by enjoying ourselves, and then kept on playing black market cuz its a fun gamemode.

AwoofAug 3, 201516 votes

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me and my friends got them just by enjoying ourselves, and then kept on playing black market cuz its a fun gamemode.

Funny, my friend and I were like "We got it, finally no more reason to play this mode!"

Rımuru TempestAug 3, 20153 votes

U deserve my +1 Man ;DD

Samurai BluesAug 3, 20155 votes

I finally finished it and I was so happy it was over. What made it hard was the unbelievable amounts of trolls and afks I had to deal with.

Blind pick was the worse decision for this stupid game mode.

SpiritGearAug 3, 20152 votes

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I finally finished it and I was so happy it was over. What made it hard was the unbelievable amounts of trolls and afks I had to deal with.

Blind pick was the worse decision for this stupid game mode.

Blind pick? Wasnt this Draft mode? but either way your point stands

Blue SocialistAug 3, 20151 votes

It's Blind Draft. Basically blind pick except the "captain" gets to ban some champs first. It's just like with other game modes like Hexakill and Urf

PartholonianAug 3, 20151 votes

It's "Blind Draft", which they have used for a couple other featured modes. There are bans like draft, but once the actual picks start they're blind picks, with no pick order, no revealing your picks to the enemy, and the same champion can be on both teams.

Beardyface86Aug 3, 20155 votes

This grind is fucking stupid. 750 krakens and 15 level 3 upgrades is a shitload of stuff. especially since these games barely generate krakens unless you're snowballing.

HaytiinAug 3, 20154 votes

and everyone surrenders at 20 minutes... ive had 4 games in a row now, win and lose, where i wasnt able to get lvl 3 upgrade at 20 mins

Kholdstare13Aug 3, 20154 votes

PA took a silly fun "training wheels" mode and made it toxic.

Bilgewater icons took an already toxic mode and made a literal Hell.

TurquoiseYoshiAug 3, 20154 votes

The thing is, grinding for icons would be fun if the game mode was actually fun. I would enjoy grinding to win 6 games on URF or One For All, but BMB is really effing similar to SR, but with annoying minions and more snowbally games. I just played a normal game where we won a 4v5. That can't happen in BMB because you would NEED to be in lane, pushing, to make a lane actually push towards your opponent. And having to clear out waves near your inhib turrets gets old fast.

56552559_DELAug 3, 20154 votes

I dont see myself completing this last chapter. The amount of toxicity in this mode is horrendous and just trying to complete the challenges themselves are ridiculous.

It seems like every time an event like this happens, it attracts all the assholes and you cant get anything done in the match due to people only wanting to do what they want to do and have no concept of team work.

MannysmokerAug 3, 20153 votes

The first 2 acts were easy, in the last one i had a bit of struggle.

Act 1 side. 25K aram gold = 2 games with 50 assist = 2 aram games with Total = 4 games
Act 2 side. 200 minions in aram = 3 games with 3 victoires in any mode (no customs) = 3 games with Total = 7 games
Act 3 side. 2 victories with the new items = 2 games with 6 victoires in the black market + 4 differents brawlers hired = [ Defeat], [ defeat],l[ defeat], [ defeat], [ defeat], [ victory], [ victory], [ victory], [ defeat], [ defeat], [ defeat], [ victory], [ defeat], [ defeat], [ victory], [ defeat], [ victory]. Total = 19 games.

Let me know yours..on the answer box..

Kholdstare13Aug 3, 20154 votes

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Let me know yours..on the answer box..

Yeah, this event brought out the worst of the unskilled braindead into ARAM and I somehow got paired with all of them. Zero thought from any of them, zero cooperation, zero listening, zero gameplay skill on top of it all. Can't engage, suicide dashes, running away instead of turning around a fight, can't land a skillshot, can't tank properly, it goes on and on and on and on. It took me WAY more games than it ever would normally to hit these requirements for acts 1 and 2, and it's still infinitely better than the torture of act 3.

**Act 1: ** 1 ARAM win: Jayce Victory 20 kills (any mode): Taric ARAM x2, Anivia ARAM x5, Amumu ARAM x3, Swain ARAM x2, KogMaw ARAM x19.

6 games over 1:57.

**Act 2: ** 10 ARAM towers: x4, x0, x0, x1, x4, x2. 500 minions (any mode): Fiddlesticks ARAM x28, Gnar TT 3v3 x117, Anivia TT bots x 135, Anivia TT bots x216 (some of the minions from the last ARAM for towers counted, hence only 496 accounted for here)

10 games over 3:39.

Act 3: AKA Kill Me Now 2 BMB wins: Gnar loss, Ezreal win, Anivia loss, Gnar win 750 krakens and 15 level 3 upgrades:..............(only listing level 3s since that part took longer) KogMaw x1, Nidalee x0, Ziggs x1, Rengar x1, Varus x1, Malzahar x1, Gnar x1, Varus x0, KogMaw x1, Velkoz x1, Katarina x2, Jayce x1, Ezreal x1, Ezreal x1, Lulu x2

19 games over 11:44.

Almost 12 fucking hours of the worst bullshit imaginable. Acts 1 and 2 were under 2 and 4 hours, and THOSE were at least on fun modes. But this? Someone at Riot needs to be fired. Out of a cannon. Into shark-infested waters.

ntbcoolAug 3, 20153 votes

Sir I want rito to hire you. What job? common sense department

MannysmokerAug 3, 20151 votes

I assume the estimated amount of games for you to reach the 750 kraken were around 15+. cuz damn there are games where u only get to buy like 1 lv 3 upgrade, that should've been savage...there's a item 2052 for you...

PartholonianAug 3, 20152 votes

1 is average, I'm actually surprised to see 2s in that list because it would take a 50 minute bloodbath. It's the 0s that are infuriating.

Count ZubatAug 3, 20152 votes

Yeah, a lot of work for icons I'll probably never use. I still have my icon from Shurima event and that's the one I prefer, I don't really need more icons, moreover icons that are kinda frustrating to get. While URF 2015 icon was dissapointment because of how easy it was to get it (play one URF game, wow), on the other hand these icons are dissapointment because of how frustrating it is to get them. It feels like doing some kind of chore, there's not really too much fun in getting those third icons.

Silents429Aug 3, 20152 votes

Then don't do it?

It's just a few icons it's not like they are handing out a new skin if you complete all the acts.

iainB85Aug 3, 20152 votes

This event proved to me why Riot cannot add achievements to their game.

If you set any goals for the player other than "win the game" it will have negative impacts on the overall player experience.

Sure, one guy might have fun throwing a won game over and over so he can collect more Kraken for his achievement, but it's probably ruining the game for the other 9 players.

PartholonianAug 3, 20151 votes

It might not ruin the game for 5 of them... if they use it to turn that game around, I bet they'd enjoy that a lot.

But seriously, people throw so much with bad baron calls and pushing up the pushed lane to get aced under nexus turrets and crap like that, how can you even tell if they're throwing on purpose to extend for kraken farm?

Carpe VictoriaAug 3, 20152 votes

My biggest complaint is the 2 part achievement system where you need to do the first one completely before progressing the second. I got super unlucky at the win 2 games part and lost probably like 20 games in a row that were all dragged out long and NONE of those krakens counted.

I thought previous rewards were too easy to get but this one was just setup poorly to be really frustrating.

MistralAug 3, 20152 votes

I liked the Aram part -- everyone I got matched with and against all had a really good spirit about trying to get minions and things. Made the game a lot of fun and it only took a few matches.

I don't have the time with my full time job to sit there and play enough games to get 750 krakens and 15 level 3 upgrades. I just can't do it. Maybe if I had a month.

TurquoiseYoshiAug 3, 20153 votes

I picked the TF/Graves side. The Gangplank side sounds literally horrific.

LordFluffyJrAug 3, 20151 votes

Yeah I hate how they made it blind draft, why not make it draft. This makes the amount of trols a little less. We had someone insta lack Yasuo assuming mid. Then we all picked lanes. Turns out it was Yasuo support who fed. Then I had to go Soraka mid.

Also act 1 was easy, 2 was a little harder, 3 is painful...

Count BuffonAug 3, 20151 votes

Yeah, I was still building Tier 2s at GG both times I played. I went support bot both times, and we were even or slightly better with all other lanes feeding every time.

Dies to WolvesAug 3, 20151 votes

on the positive side, this third icon is so shitty that I won't mind not finishing the grind

SarutobiAug 3, 20151 votes

It's not that much of a grind. Granted I don't have the icon yet. But I don't play when I have work. I mean people make like they should just give the icon away. You need to earn it. All you need to do is play the game. It's only difficult because you are making it out to be difficult. 750 coins shouldn't be that difficult especially if you are killing the enemy enough to make them surrender! You have so many options to get coins itself and it seems like you aren't taking advantage of that!

FlemmanAug 3, 20153 votes

the only problem with the 750 grinding was the ennemy surrender thing.

Many time I had just enough kraken to upgrade after a team fight but didn't manage to use it cause they surrend to quickly. A good add to the kraken/upgrade minion grind would have be a "auto-use" of remaining kraken if the ennemy surrend and you had enough to buy stuff (level 3 upgrade first)

OrdileAug 3, 20151 votes

This mode makes me feel want to quit league. I'm being serious.

Mecha MaIphiteAug 3, 20151 votes

You think that's bad?

I had a team who threw the game on purpose so they could farm krakens for their icon. I needed wins for mine.

SelflessTeammateAug 3, 20151 votes

I mean, I thought the number of wins was a tad high, considering the length of most games (What was it, six wins? I think it was six. Took me a little time but I wouldn't call it grueling enough to complain about. I would've been much happier if it was just games played, because those new items are crazy on a few champs, which you just don't know at first.), but I wouldn't call six wins particularly grindy. Reward was kinda meh, I admit, but again, no one's obligated to do it. It's not even that amazing an icon or anything, if you don't want it, don't do it. Problem solved.

So, yeah, no one's making you do it, and the reward's stated up-front and clear. Put the time in, get the reward. Is it worth it to you? No? Then that's fine, go about your regular schedule and pass, there's always another event coming.