Hey Riot, what gives? You said you weren't doing blank-slate retcons, but now you've Trundled Poppy.

CupcakeTrap·11/25/2015, 12:05:37 AM·17 votes·7,252 views
Link this thread next time Narrative makes a massive change with no prior community input.

EDIT: This is going to get me some pretty serious downvotes from both sides, but honesty compels me to say it. I wrote this post based on what others had said about the new VO, which I hadn't been able to listen to myself for various reasons. I just took a quick listen, and…I'm pleasantly surprised. It sounds like Poppy to me. Or, rather, it sounds like "young Poppy". I see a fair bit of continuity with her established persona. But I'll leave this post up anyway, if only because I believe strongly enough in the "no blank-slate retcons" idea that I think it's worthwhile to bring it up preemptively from time to time, even if this particular case proves a false alarm.


Well, first off, I guess it's time to link this again.

After the initial outcry surrounding the Great Retcon, in which Riot decided that it would be a great idea to retcon the League of Legends from League of Legends, Riot began to change its ways. They said they'd be avoiding blank-slate retcons of established characters and settings, and they really seemed to be living up to that promise. The vast majority of new content was content that built upon established lore, rather than tearing it up and paving it over with something else. I appreciated that.

And so this Poppy rework came as quite a shock. It's a genuine Trundling. Whereas prior lore defined Poppy by her maturity and level-headed determination, the new Poppy is defined by her youthful aspirations and uncertainty. The only possible way to reconcile this new Poppy with prior lore is to say that this new Poppy represents "prequel Poppy", a younger version of her from before the events of her prior lore. At best, though, that points the way toward a possible future fix: if and when Riot puts out new lore (and a new rework) that "catches up" with the established Poppy, she's effectively Trundled.

It's not that this new Poppy isn't a fun or interesting character. It's obvious that lots of talented, passionate people put serious time and energy into this new Poppy, and I think their hard work paid off. Riot does great work, and this is no exception. The problem is that she's a different character who's taking Poppy's place.

As much as I respect the passion and creativity that created this new Poppy, it doesn't negate my respect for the passion and creativity that this Trundling has nullified. That body of work started with Riot's work on the original Poppy, and flourished through years of community involvement. Countless stories and pieces of artwork that relied upon Poppy, the stalwart Iron Ambassador who "doesn't know any jokes" and vows to make her enemies "beg for peace", have now been obliterated from Riot's universe. Everyone who became invested in or fond of the established Poppy has seen a character they loved wiped out and replaced with a new character with the same name.

Of course, it's too late for anything much to be done, at least as far as Poppy is concerned. The most I could realistically ask would be for Narrative to do some "damage control" by adjusting the new lore to link in as much of her old lore as might be salvageable, and to hurry up and develop the story so that she "grows into" the established Poppy.

But I'm writing this post to urge Riot to reaffirm its pledge to keep all this new lore (which, I'll again say quite openly, is mostly very good) backwards-compatible with the established lore. Build upon the established lore, rather than overwriting it. You were doing a damn fine job of this, and this is a regrettable reversal of that trend.

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CupcakeTrap11/25/2015, 12:14:37 AM12 votes

So I wasn't able to listen to the VO until now, and I wrote the post above in reliance on what people had said about new Poppy.

…to be honest, I'm somewhat relieved. Based on what I'd read, I was expecting new Poppy to sound cutesy, timid, even ditzy. But my first impression after listening to the VO myself is that she's fairly consistent with how I'd imagine a younger Poppy to sound. More aggressive and energetic, but not scared or weak.

Well, a lot of people seem to agree with what I've posted elsewhere about this, and so even if I'm no longer convinced myself that this amounts to a "Trundling", I guess I'll leave this post up.

But yeah. I'm glad to be wrong in this case. It seems like it will in fact be possible to stitch the two lore traditions together: just say that the new in-game Poppy is Poppy in her youth, and the Poppy of prior lore is what she matures into.

rand0mredneck11/25/2015, 12:13:47 AM6 votes

Make it as wordy as you like, but we all know this translates to: http://seooasis.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/I-DONT-LIKE-5cg3rc.jpg

Ebonmaw Dragon11/25/2015, 12:44:46 AM6 votes

I will repeat myself.

The Poppy update is not in the same level of Trundle.

"Trundled Poppy" would mean that:

  • Her abilities would stay similar.
  • Her place of origin would be changed from "Bandle/Demacia" to something like... "Piltover/Shurima".
  • Instead of being a normal yordle she would become a... yorlde made of fire.
  • Instead of being the ambassador of Demacia and Bandle, she would be the Mayor of Piltover.
  • She would be helping an evil witch or wizzard... lets say Veigar.
Brascus11/25/2015, 7:55:57 AM5 votes

It doesn't feel like an updated Poppy it feels like a whole new character. It's very well done but it's not Poppy.

GreenLore11/25/2015, 12:33:08 AM2 votes

Uhm when did they say they wouldn't do blank-state-retcons anymore? I mean it is pretty much inevitable for some champs(Kayle Jax ,etc.)

Just because the bilgewater event didn't retcon that much(the only changes were pretty much how Twisted fate got his powers and how he betrayed graves) doesn't mean that their retcon-policy suddenly changed. And overall this doesn't come as a surprise to me considering that poppys rework was said to be close to sion-level.

Cuix11/26/2015, 10:59:57 AM2 votes

Okay, but what about her actual lore? What happened to her dad? Why doesn't she know Galio anymore?

Also, she TOTALLY sounds timid and uncertain, very much unlike the go-get-'em basher from before. They kept the "whatever it takes" attitude, though, which is nice.

The Soulforged11/25/2015, 12:26:24 AM2 votes

She was this yordle driven by determination, and she's kinda just some yordle who's very modest and strong.

Beyond Legends11/26/2015, 10:37:12 AM1 votes

I don't understand this hate for the trundle rework. Troll king trundle is 50 times better than the old one. I remeber reading his old lore and feeling like it was trying way to hard to be unique for the sake of being unique. He felt lame and one dimensional as he was just a pathetic poor smuck with skin problem. I really don't get the bitching about the new lore direction, the new lore feels much more organic than the poorly written fan fic the old Iow was. So people need to get their asses out of their nostalgia sydrom and appreciate the new thing that Riot is developing.

Ps to the op; Next time actually listen to the VO before writing paragraphs of pointless rant.