Anyone else worried for other 'fun' champions?

Hellioning·Aug 5, 2015·49 votes·4,310 views

Both the Sion and GP reworks took a goofy character and made them deathly serious. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, of course, but it does set a worrying trend; namely, I'm worried for Vlad. I play Vlad mostly cause I think his puns are hilarious and I don't want them to go away. There are, of course, other champions who are also in danger of becoming more serious; Mundo, in particular, given his in-game and story personas are incredibly different, just like GP.

I want League to remain mostly silly. Taking yourself too seriously is really common in gaming these days, and I don't like it.

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Forest153N539SAug 5, 201530 votes

Taric A man summoned from across worlds... Once he live happily with his beloved... Now his love is considered evil in this strange bigoted new world. With nothing but his giant gem encrusted dildo hammer and enough love for his fellow man to use every part of the man; much like the native Americans used every part of the buffalo. No waste allowed, not a single drop. Taric is here to kick ass and gurgle Alistar 's milk. And hes all out of ass.

UomoAfideAug 5, 201515 votes

Dude, that's even more scary than a Grimdark Taric update

DreamspitterAug 8, 20151 votes

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Dude, that's even more scary than a Grimdark Taric update

Bloodstone Taric becomes his base skin?

Bouffon dAnglaisAug 6, 20151 votes

BUT #YOUCANTMILKTHOSE

CasterGilgameshAug 6, 20152 votes

Taric so outrageous he's the exception

CasterGilgameshAug 6, 20153 votes

i like the way you think

KrizalidAug 5, 201518 votes

Prepare for the Taric becoming a Garen Jr. Taric It would kill me.

GreenLoreAug 5, 201513 votes

The thing with Gp is that in the lore he was never a "fun" champ. He was a ruthless pirate who shoots his own men when they disobeyed him and who murdered his own father to get to power.

Sion more or less didn't have any personality. His "personality" was a bunch of schwarzenegger puns and these weren't really fun for those who don't get the joke(and even then it wasn't that funny).

HellioningAug 5, 20156 votes

Yes, GP in the lore was really serious. But his in-game voiceover was based on humor. Same with Sion. And more people know about in-game stuff than lore stuff.

GreenLoreAug 5, 20159 votes

But in these cases there is only the option to remove one of the 2 and they chose to remove the comedic ones,because its better to have a real character and not be just a joke on pirates/schwarzenegger.

Its not impossible to have real characters who are still somewhat comedic Draven Lulu Zac are all examples of this.

Twitch & Heimerdinger didn't become dead serious all of a sudden when they were VU'd,even though they added some seriousness to twitch,he still retained his goofyness.

PeriditionAug 6, 20153 votes

I agree with this. Sion and GP weren't designed as joke characters. They were just perceived that way by the community because their dialogue was so campy. Same goes for Taric and Shaco. They are meant to be serious characters.

theragingnerdAug 6, 201512 votes

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I agree with this. Sion and GP weren't designed as joke characters. They were just perceived that way by the community because their dialogue was so campy. Same goes for Taric and Shaco. They are meant to be serious characters.

shaco is a fucking clown bro

PæanAug 6, 20153 votes

Demonic jester, who thinks of death and murder as a fun and enjoyable hobby.
So by clown, only in the "IT" (stephen king) sense. He is an ambiguous and dark enigma meant to be feared and hated :O

Though, he is incredibly goofy and can be funny at times, his dance is the worm after-all :D

ChaoticPineconeAug 6, 20152 votes

But the campy dialogue is a key factor to a demon jestor.

I personally found the Joker to be hilarious in The Dark Knight, especially at Bruce Wayne's fundraiser party. Was i the only one who saw him grab a glass of champagne, spilling all of it in the process, then proceeding to take a drink? or later in the scene: "Hello, Beautiful", as he flips his hair back. or the "Let her go" - "A very poor choice of words."

Or when he was meeting with the mob bosses, "Ill make this pencil disappear. Ta-da! Its gone!" "A year ago, the cops and lawyers wouldnt dare messing with you. What happened? Your balls drop off?" "I know why you choose to have your little group therapy sessions in broad daylight".

I mean, if a stand up comedian did any of these acts in their routines, it would be hilarious. The Joker had legitimately funny jokes, but the delivery was so twisted and awkward he becomes an enigma.

GreenLoreAug 6, 20152 votes

So is the joker.

T RexHasTinyArmsAug 6, 20152 votes

I think part of it is what you like about the champ though. I mean, that's the problem with conflicting character identities and only being able to keep one. The statement "Mundo is a mad scientist who, in an attempt to make greater leaps forward with his human research, ruined the sanity of his mind during his attempts to increase the strengths of his serums" is technically true (if I remember his lore right). This story would be something similar to dr jekyll and mr hyde (experiment turns brilliant person into more beast than man) to some degree (Mundo was pretty monstrous before becoming a monster through science), which is a serious story about the fragility of man in the pursuit of greatness.

However, I still love Mundo because I started season 2 and he was a strong jungle pick, so when I started playing ranked season 3 I played some Mundo jungle, and fell in love w/ counter jungling while "MUNDO GOES WHERE HE PLEASES!!!!" any time someone questioned whether or not I should be invading (or when the enemy complained that I killed them at level 2). Hell, the only games I've played Mundo this season were support games because "Mundo goes where he pleases." Also in case anyone is wondering Mundo support is super fun and reasonably easy to win w/ in lower elo if you know Mundo well because people underestimate his damage, and Q spam chunks people down fast if you land them consistently.

TLDR; Mundo all lanes because he goes where he pleases. Plz Rito, don't make Mundo serious and not just brain damaged loveable crazy man.

James StoneAug 9, 20151 votes

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I think part of it is what you like about the champ though. I mean, that's the problem with conflicting character identities and only being able to keep one. The statement "Mundo is a mad scientist who, in an attempt to make greater leaps forward with his human research, ruined the sanity of his mind during his attempts to increase the strengths of his serums" is technically true (if I remember his lore right). This story would be something similar to dr jekyll and mr hyde (experiment turns brilliant person into more beast than man) to some degree (Mundo was pretty monstrous before becoming a monster through science), which is a serious story about the fragility of man in the pursuit of greatness.

However, I still love Mundo because I started season 2 and he was a strong jungle pick, so when I started playing ranked season 3 I played some Mundo jungle, and fell in love w/ counter jungling while "MUNDO GOES WHERE HE PLEASES!!!!" any time someone questioned whether or not I should be invading (or when the enemy complained that I killed them at level 2). Hell, the only games I've played Mundo this season were support games because "Mundo goes where he pleases." Also in case anyone is wondering Mundo support is super fun and reasonably easy to win w/ in lower elo if you know Mundo well because people underestimate his damage, and Q spam chunks people down fast if you land them consistently.

TLDR; Mundo all lanes because he goes where he pleases. Plz Rito, don't make Mundo serious and not just brain damaged loveable crazy man.

You're remembering wrong.

First, Dr. Mundo is not braindamaged. His oversized tongue causes massive speech impediments and he adopted his dialogue while in "Mundo" form. Kreuben Edmundo can leave Mundo form, but tends not to because he believes he represents Zaunite pride (If I'm remembering the JoJ interview correctly). He is as much as a genious as the hulking behemoth as he is as a frail, puny human.

Second, Kreuben Edmundo was born a cruel, twisted man. At age seven, no pets near his house survived. At age twelve, he KILLED HIS OWN PARENTS in an experiment and asked for emantipation. Even Zaun is mostly disgusted with his experiments, and the only reason he isn't lynched is because he is a huge scientific asset for both Zaun and Noxus.

"He continues his experiments to this day, even using himself as an experimental subject, as evidenced by his disfigured appearance and his... unique manner of speaking. There are rumors that the High Command in Noxus has given him free reign to pursue his life's work in his spare time."

Straight from his lore. Also: "Beware the Madman of Zaun, for in his eyes you are already dead".

Dr. Mundo is NOT a joke character, he is NOT a goofy madman. He is a highly intelligent, calculating man that has as big of a kill list as Singed. Unless you find patricide, immoral experiments, sociopathy and a complete disregard for human life besides how entertaining and scientifically enlightening it is to see how a being reacts to having 50% of his bones crushed by huge, uncaring hands, the last thing DOCTOR Mundo is is loveable.

T RexHasTinyArmsAug 9, 20151 votes

I did reference his monstrous behavior as a child when stating he didn't quite match Jekyll and Hyde because he was a monster before becoming one. I didn't keep up with joj often and so that he is can control the transformation is cool new info.

Obviously I didn't remember his lore entirely right because I was thinking of the "as evidenced" line and forgetting how valuable his experiments still are and that it probably means he is still brilliant. His in game representation does certainly contradict this (ie mundo say his own name a lot or else he forget it), but that is my point. I like the bumbling monster more than the vicious sociopath. I don't want to play a champ who would prefer to kill his teammates if they do poorly. That is a champ who would literally be expected to be toxic and experiment with the suffering of people whom he didn't find useful.

The direct conflict between bumbling monster who took his experiments on himself too far, and a cold calculating monster who finds experimental use in the suffering of his subjects, is so conflicting that you cannot really preserve both if you rework it and make a consistent lore theme. The problem is one group of people will like each side and it can be painful to be on the side who has one of their favorite champs deleted. That was the point I was trying to make.

MatezoideAug 5, 201511 votes

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140926025627/leagueoflegends/images/9/92/SionSquare_old.png STAHP BEING A BONEHEAD

rip

BetaDude40Aug 6, 20157 votes

I think the Sion rework moved all of the hilarity from his quotes into his gameplay.

"COOOWAAAAARDS!!!" runs away from teamfight, only to slam into a wall 3 feet away

CupcakeTrapAug 5, 20157 votes

Moving beyond characters to settings—I am preparing to cry if/when they retcon the Yordle Mothership. :(

At any rate, I agree with you. A friend of mine pitched a strange but plausible theory: that this is part of League's internationalization. The idea is that certain international audiences just don't get irony the way American audiences do, and so they're converting everything into a "played straight" version. Again, a strange thought, but not one I can readily dismiss.

333lomAug 6, 20154 votes

Hm this is an interesting idea and it might be true! Still, I am very unhappy how Riot is pushing their entire world into a dark and serious stereotype with lots of serious murderers.

There's no fun or diversity in that.

Dies to WolvesAug 5, 20155 votes

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Both the Sion and GP reworks took a goofy character and made them deathly serious. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, of course, but it does set a worrying trend; namely, I'm worried for Vlad. I play Vlad mostly cause I think his puns are hilarious and I don't want them to go away. There are, of course, other champions who are also in danger of becoming more serious; Mundo, in particular, given his in-game and story personas are incredibly different, just like GP.

I want League to remain mostly silly. Taking yourself too seriously is really common in gaming these days, and I don't like it.

I'd be really, really sad if they removed Vlad's puns

HellioningAug 5, 20156 votes

It's basically his only character trait.

League of OriAug 6, 20155 votes

I think the same way. Gangplank, despite being a character I didn't own and didn't really enjoy playing, was still one of my favorite champions to have in the game because he always came across as a sort of nice-guy badass with a jolly laugh and free oranges who could carry your team if things got rough, kind of like a Braum who deals damage and wears clothes.

I miss that old (medium old?) champion splash art as well. He looks like he's in the middle of stifling a laugh.

ah well, maybe this is just Riot's way of making him grow up or something.

333lomAug 6, 20154 votes

Your last sentence made me think, and I think you landed a bull's eye there, Riot is trying to make their characters "grown up". And I think they're making a mistake. I bought the old Gangplank just because of his character (I have no idea how to play close range), as you perfectly described, a "nice-guy badass with a jolly laugh and free oranges". When his ult hit, it didn't matter if I was on the ally or even opposing team, winning or loosing, even if I died to that ult, I'd laugh because his laugh with the canon balls was so hilarious. His old lore? Yes, it made him a stereotypical pirate so I didn't pay attention to that. Well Riot took his lame lore and forced the character to reflect it. Now he's a complete stereotypical pirate lord. When you think of it, now him eating oranges and being k doesn't even have a thematic cohesion with the new rework!

League of OriAug 6, 20153 votes

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Your last sentence made me think, and I think you landed a bull's eye there, Riot is trying to make their characters "grown up". And I think they're making a mistake. I bought the old Gangplank just because of his character (I have no idea how to play close range), as you perfectly described, a "nice-guy badass with a jolly laugh and free oranges". When his ult hit, it didn't matter if I was on the ally or even opposing team, winning or loosing, even if I died to that ult, I'd laugh because his laugh with the canon balls was so hilarious. His old lore? Yes, it made him a stereotypical pirate so I didn't pay attention to that. Well Riot took his lame lore and forced the character to reflect it. Now he's a complete stereotypical pirate lord. When you think of it, now him eating oranges and being k doesn't even have a thematic cohesion with the new rework!

Let's hope they at least give us a legacy skin or something to remember the old GangPlank by!

The SoulforgedAug 5, 20154 votes

Go ahead, be negative, you'll be just my type.

MrBuffingtonAug 5, 20154 votes

They're probably reserving 'fun' stuff for skins and yordles (except Poppy; she's all business, except lolipoppy; that's all nightmares)

LordHippomanAug 6, 20153 votes

While I think the writing team has mostly been on a roll lately with the Bilge stuff, my only major complaint was the Gangplank lines. I mentioned over on Factions that most of his new lines (especially post-"death") fall into the category of "I'LL [do bad thing] TO YOUR [body part]!" And, yeah, that was always his persona in the Lore, but pretty much all exposure to Gangplank came from gameplay. As far as I can remember, Gangplank's only appearance in the lore aside from his own biography (Unless you want to count MF's mother's murder retroactively) before Burning Tides was in the JoJ article about a drinking contest with MF. So I was, despite being a big lore fan, always associating Gangplank with "Yo ho ho...and a bottle of.....RUM!" And while his new VA is certainly a better fit for his Lore character, I just had more fun listening to the old one.

And yeah, League is an inherently silly environment. It has to be remembered that this is a universe where a hamster man flies a helicopter and a chaingun/spatula wielding manatee existed before being murdered by a werewolf. That doesn't stop some dark stuff from being possible and good variety, but the balance is a very important thing to watch.

I think the champions most at risk of getting this treatment are these: Vladimir You already brought him up. Honestly, Riot could just copy/paste Blood Lord's VA and do it, not that I'd want them to, because League has a ton of sinister supernatural villains, and only one pun loving hemomancer. DrMundo Again, you mentioned him. Mundo is a tricky character. Mundo is a serial killer. He killed people, he killed pets, by all logic we should HATE Mundo. But everyone loves Mundo. He's goofy, he's silly, and that works. I think the darker parts of him are already well presented just by the names of his moves (Infected Cleaver? Sadism?). Veigar This is a tricky one too. Veigar's backstory is pretty traumatic. But a big part of Veigar's personality is that yes, he is laughable. I think exploring some of the more sympathetic parts of him could work in a backstory piece like MF/GP/Graves/TF's new ones, or perhaps during a Bandle City event, but a lot of those funny lines are just the core of his character now. He has a little charm that way. That was a short joke.

I GANK LANESAug 6, 20153 votes

disagree. i can't get into a game when it's too childish, the lore gets me into the game and makes it a lot better.

Icestar1186Aug 9, 20151 votes

There's a difference between "not being taken too seriously" and "childish."

I Main SwainAug 6, 20153 votes

i love his puns mostly because they feel so out of character. EVERY other aspect of him is dead serious and he's just going around dealing puns of damage in a completely serious tone.

TurquoiseYoshiAug 6, 20152 votes

The thing is, both of these were to line up the in-game speech and the lore. It is said in Mundo's lore that he has an "unique manner of speaking". So I doubt he'd have any changes in that way.

DigielfAug 6, 20152 votes

why so serious Shaco

Celio Hogane HDAug 7, 20152 votes

To be honest GP was... not a well designed champion.

And Sion was even worse, the Visual Rework on him was more important than it looks, it was someone who was ESPECIALLY revived, why would a goof like old sion would be revived?

Probably something similar will end happening with Urgot.

Tough, Urgot IS in fact serius.

DreamspitterAug 8, 20151 votes

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To be honest GP was... not a well designed champion.

And Sion was even worse, the Visual Rework on him was more important than it looks, it was someone who was ESPECIALLY revived, why would a goof like old sion would be revived?

Probably something similar will end happening with Urgot.

Tough, Urgot IS in fact serius.

#The Visual Update Urgot

http://i.imgur.com/wyPm9Em.gif%20alt=

Cant wait

SaltyToplaneGoatAug 7, 20152 votes

They will surely keep Vlad's puns - that's part of his character. And as an arrogant mage who thinks himself as invincible while acting like the biggest douche on earth... yeah, horrible puns and bad humor somehow hit to that.

Mundo on the other hand could use more seriousness as his theme would really benefit from it. Apart from the hulk, he's also a genius doctor but also a mass murderer (mostly for research reasons). That kind of fails to deliver currently, but I could see him reworked into some kind of "Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hide" champion, transforming back and forth between "genius doctor" and "HULK SMASH!". So much potential...

J4kzyAug 7, 20151 votes

i agree on the mundo part, people seem to forget that he is not dumb but have a speech problem after to much experimentation but for the love of anything holly remove those puns.

SaltyToplaneGoatAug 8, 20151 votes

No chance, Vladimir is the kind of character who loves tormenting his surroundings with bad puns xD

XyrneAug 6, 20151 votes

You left out Miss Fortune. They took probably the least serious of the ADCs and changed her lore into the typical grimdark vengeance trip. Now her ingame dialogue doesn't even match with her lore, so I'm pretty sure they're going to change it to finish making MF the same character as literally every other ADC this side of Jinx.

Celio Hogane HDAug 7, 20152 votes

Actually yes it does, all this time miss fortune was acting.

DreamspitterAug 8, 20151 votes

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You left out Miss Fortune. They took probably the least serious of the ADCs and changed her lore into the typical grimdark vengeance trip. Now her ingame dialogue doesn't even match with her lore, so I'm pretty sure they're going to change it to finish making MF the same character as literally every other ADC this side of Jinx.

Actually, she seems pretty damn badass now in her background, rather than just slutting it up and having every bounty fall for her - but I would still say she has a high charisma score.

XyrneAug 8, 20151 votes

You people throw around the word slut far too casually and in situations where it doesn't even apply.

DreamspitterAug 10, 20151 votes

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You people throw around the word slut far too casually and in situations where it doesn't even apply.

Fine, ok, before..........she was a tart.

GreenLoreAug 9, 20153 votes

Jinx KogMaw Corki Twitch Tristana are all less serious than Miss fortune.

Also Miss fortune wanting vengance isn't new either. Her turn for the worse was an after effect of her getting that vengance and may not even be permanent.

MerxamersAug 7, 20151 votes

Like some have mentioned, yes, you all should be extremely concerned for any 'fun' champions left. If the VU team touches Vladimir , I 100% guarantee that his puns will be completely gone (except for 1 line that has a random chance to play when you recall, so they can say they 'totally get what players liked about him!')

DrMundo Will be turned into a joyless, grimdark 'Mr. Hyde' monster. Riot has basically admitted this already. At least we'll get to see how 'SUPER DUPER SERIOUS' Riot is now, without any of the 'stupid kids stuff'

Veigar Will be preserved because he's a Yordle, and those are the only things allowed to be silly anymore (besides the random mutant)

Taric Will have no quotable lines at all, and will certainly lose his joke (it's not serious or forgettable enough). I doubt he'll be super dark (there was a long Riot-led post asking what players liked about Taric), but he'll certainly be boring, like every other champion personality Riot has released since JInx ( Gangplank , Ekko , Kalista , Sion ). Except for TahmKench , that was a pretty good VO.

Riot is trying really hard to make League super dark and serious, like a 14-year-old wearing his Slipknot t-shirts and dying his hair black to show how cool he is. Don't expect any more 'fun' things that aren't sterilized to death

DreamspitterAug 8, 20151 votes

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Like some have mentioned, yes, you all should be extremely concerned for any 'fun' champions left. If the VU team touches , I 100% guarantee that his puns will be completely gone (except for 1 line that has a random chance to play when you recall, so they can say they 'totally get what players liked about him!')

Will be turned into a joyless, grimdark 'Mr. Hyde' monster. Riot has basically admitted this already. At least we'll get to see how 'SUPER DUPER SERIOUS' Riot is now, without any of the 'stupid kids stuff'

Will be preserved because he's a Yordle, and those are the only things allowed to be silly anymore (besides the random mutant)

Will have no quotable lines at all, and will certainly lose his joke (it's not serious or forgettable enough). I doubt he'll be super dark (there was a long Riot-led post asking what players liked about Taric), but he'll certainly be boring, like every other champion personality Riot has released since JInx ( , , , ). Except for , that was a pretty good VO.

Riot is trying really hard to make League super dark and serious, like a 14-year-old wearing his Slipknot t-shirts and dying his hair black to show how cool he is. Don't expect any more 'fun' things that aren't sterilized to death

#Graham Mcneill is writing for Riot Games now....

He worked on Warhammer 40,000 for Games Workshop.

They invented Grimdark. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimdark http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/grimdark http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Grimdark

#In the Grim Darkness of the future...

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/0/0e/Warhammer-fantasy-roleplay_1024x768_12041.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121203040653

The thing to remember though, is that even 40,000 has comedy. WH40K has Orks which are both grimdark and hilarious. Some people see the grimdarkness as black comedy itself, because things are taken to such ridiculous levels and extremes that you have to laugh at them. Plenty of fanart appreciates this humor.

MerxamersAug 8, 20151 votes

i would be happy to see black humor; it would add personality. Vel'koz has it, and it works great

DreamspitterAug 10, 20152 votes