Can we have a champ that's NOT all dark and edgy? Like, Ivern is happy for sure, but his lore is so... dark. Can we have a champ that's just entirely a good person?
Another Braum, for example. Folk hero who saved a kid from a mountain. No one dies, he's not a bad person, nothing. And his VO is super bright and positive.
zacktootall2 votesthe problem with that is there are very few ways to make a legendary fighter with out someone dieing. braum being the only real case we see. this is mostly because of the simple fact that war is a shitty messy thing to do.
Niyumi1 votesOkay, but there's a lot of ways to make someone a legendary fighter without making them some bloodthirsty killer or someone who went crazy because someone died.
So, imagine there's a swordsman who only ever picked up the sword to protect people. He doesn't like fighting, and refuses to if he can, but he's a master fighter and disables people without ever drawing his sword -- you know, punches, kicks, the scabbard, etc. The only time he would ever draw his sword would be for his ult, and it's only usable as a last resort, like maybe if a teammate is low health around him.
Or imagine like an Asian monk, who is an absurdly good fighter, but doesn't fight.
Or an inventor, who always created things to help humanity, but was forced to create devices / a suit / something to fight with to protect his city or something.
Or a priest of some sort, focused on healing and buffs rather than killing.
Arakadia1 votesSo, imagine there's a swordsman who only ever picked up the sword to protect people. He doesn't like fighting, and refuses to if he can, but he's a master fighter and disables people without ever drawing his sword -- you know, punches, kicks, the scabbard, etc. The only time he would ever draw his sword would be for his ult, and it's only usable as a last resort, like maybe if a teammate is low health around him.
Or imagine like an Asian monk, who is an absurdly good fighter, but doesn't fight.
So set up a super cool character with some really freaking awesome skills, and then never/nearly never let them use it?
You don't become a master swordsmen so you can use use every form of fighting EXCEPT SWORD FIGHTING. You don't become very skilled at the sword if you dont practice fighting other people. You don't become well known for being a master swordsmen because you never use your sword.
A master swordsmen fights people to practice, maybe not always killing but a killer is also experienced. A master swordsmen is going to practice the sword and try to get really good at it because he expects to use his craft, and possibly kill people. A master swordsmen doesn't become well known or become "that cool sword champion" because he never uses his sword. He gets his iconic champion look because he uses his sword.
This doesn't apply to just swordsmen. Don't give a character some really cool power or trait and never them let use it.
Sharjo2 votesHow do you know Braum's never killed anyone, or anyone he's cared about has ever died? His bio amounts to a paragraph presently.
Epicurus1 votesThe mountain died. Braum is not the hero you think he is.
Niyumi1 votesOh true, that was Malphite's grandpa!
Braum is evil, I guess.
Epicurus2 votesIn seriousness though, Braum's 100% happy personality only works because there is no actual story to Braum. What does he do? Where he is from? Why is he allied with the Avarosan? Is he even real? If we do get more Braum lore, and then I suspect that his 100% happy rating will reduce down to a measly 95%. Like Ivern. Still a chill dude, but not without regrets. Personally, I think Ivern's flaws enrich his character. I don't think there can be a champion that has developed story and fleshed-out personality AND is devoid of any darkness.
Of course, that's not to say every champ has to be Kayn levels of emo. Some people like edginess, and Kayn and Xayah cater to those players. But we also have Taliyah, Ivern, Galio and Rakan to lighten the mood.
Niyumi1 votesOkay, but look at Ivern's lore, Galio's lore and Rakan's lore... they're all edgelords to the max. Taliyah is only edgy in her lore because she ran into Emosuo.
I just want a champ that's actually bright, instead of an edgelord. I know they can't be 100% sunshine and rainbows, but they can come close. >.>
Epicurus2 votesI have read all their lores. How are they edgy? For that matter, what do you even mean by "edgy"? It's not a formally defined word, so we me may be using different definitions.
Those champs I listed are upbeat, optimistic, and generally happy people. Their narratives have conflict in them, obviously, but a story can't exist without conflict.
Runeterra is not a happy place to live. It is a world teeming with danger, war, and tragedy. So please tell me what sort of character could exist as a champion and have a place in the narrative of Runeterra without becoming too edgy for you.
Niyumi1 votesIn almost all of their lores, they lost their family, or they are entirely alone, or they learned what death is by watching people and being unable to do anything to stop it, or they were spurned by humanity, or they advanced technology to help people only to become a monster, or they're a psychopath, or something.
I want a champ that's not coming out of fucking grimdark edgy crap. I want another Lulu, or another Braum, or another Trist, someone who is just living their life and not in a horror movie.
Epicurus2 votesIf you seriously think Ivern is too "fucking grimdark" then I truly do not know what you want from League. Braum, Trist and Lulu have cheerful personalities, but have no expanded stories. When these get updated you can expect them to be just as edgy as Ivern is.
Side note: I find it quite amusing that we are discussing the depressing edginess of the game when both of our icons are smiley poros.
Arakadia1 votesCan we have a champ that's just entirely a good person?
I do not want a champion that is just entirely a good person. That sounds like a mary sue kind of character who does no wrong. If you want a light hearted character, I think thats awesome and I would love one too! But I do not think a champion who is just entirely a good person is a good thing.
Moonboy651 votes