Ekko-Vi discrepancy - Vi grew up in Piltover, not Zaun, so why does Ekko even care about his city?

Darrosh Jewfist··9 votes·3,866 views

"As a child growing up in the lawless outskirts of Piltover, Vi learned to rob and cheat to get by. Stealing and stripping hextech hardware gave her the skills of a master mechanic, while life on the streets taught her self-reliance. When she was six, a ragtag group of criminals took a shine to the young delinquent and brought her into their fold. By the time Vi was eleven, she had become a seasoned accomplice, and she relished the thrill of every heist." - from Vi 's lore.

"One day, you'll come back to Zaun." "You'll always be Zaun to me." - Ekko's VO to Vi

I think I might be a bit confused, but Vi isn't from Zaun. It's pretty clear she's from Piltover. So Ekko and her were in the same gang? But then, if this gang was willing to recruit from Piltover... implying Zaun are similar to Noxians in that they're more open to out-of-city folk coming to their town, then what's the big deal with Ekko's city pride?

Like, Ekko grows up in a city that seems to value mercantilism and liberated scientific pursuits - meaning people from other city-states/nations can come and go as they please. This kind of makes Zaun seem awfully less nationalistic than others - hence it seems strange to me Ekko would have such a strong pride in this town. He grew up in a gang with "Pilties". He's in a city-state that welcomes foreigners, presumably, and certainly hasn't treated his family (parents who work long hours) or himself (losing friends, constantly getting jumped).

So... why does Ekko even like his city?

Because they're willing to go where the Pilties won't? Even though it's pretty clear they have no qualms recruiting Pilties when it suits their needs and general Zaun attitudes seem to be ok with Viktor kind of going to Piltover and rustling up some of their tech?

I get Ekko has an immature view of the city - but I'm kind of confused as to what he actually "likes" about his city.

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Legacy of Xion15 votes

Welcome to League of Legends NEW Lore!

Please ignore any and all Valoran-sized holes so far, we're currently in the middle of a Nine Month Long to date tech issue keeping us from releasing our lore!

Darrosh Jewfist4 votes

Can we start calling it the California Lore Drought? Ask other states to mail Riot HQ lore?

Legacy of Xion4 votes

We try.

But apparently we're not good enough.

Also there's a rumor Riot only shares their WiP with specific members of the community so why care?

Darrosh Jewfist1 votes

First time I've heard that rumor. Know where that popped up?

Legacy of Xion6 votes

Well, I think Denivir shudders said it a week or two ago in a thread. It honestly had me going "what" and thinking on it...I hope it's wrong, because like.

CupcakeTrap obviously wasn't included in that little circle.

Shíny4 votes

If i had to guess perhaps it came from speculation of this?

In the spirit of visibility, I was having a chat with someone who frequents these boards via DMs a while back (before my recent absence from here), about a variety of things that he was most gracious in keeping private. -Jaredan

Darrosh Jewfist2 votes

Pretty ridiculous how a private chat between 1 board go-er is like talking to 1/10th of the active board anyways.

Still - I wonder what they discussed.

Trash MammaI5 votes

I believe that there is a theory that Vi has amnesia

I heard that also and that she calls herself Vi because it's on her cheek and doesn't remember her real name

On topic: I have no idea why he likes Zaun in fact in a lot of his quotes he gives piltover a crap ton of compliments and acknowledges them having good things. He never says anything about what's so good about Zaun.

Aych Pii1 votes

Ekko

PROGRESS DOESNT BELONG TO ONE CITY

James Stone1 votes

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I heard that also and that she calls herself Vi because it's on her cheek and doesn't remember her real name

On topic: I have no idea why he likes Zaun in fact in a lot of his quotes he gives piltover a crap ton of compliments and acknowledges them having good things. He never says anything about what's so good about Zaun.

It was also my theory too. Right before the retcon I was in the process of writing a story about the biggest (madeup) corporation in Zaun and their usage of children for experiments. To avoid emotional attachment, the scientists were ordered to label and mark the children, and call them by their numbers.

Number six (VI) was tested on memory removal procedures and re-implantation, for application in operations like Urgot's, so the ressurected soldiers wouldn't be held down by their old life.

Number ten (JinX) was the victim of countless experimental medicine, and as a consequence contracted a variety of mental conditions and suffered permanent changes to her body, like loss of pigmentation and alteration of eye/hair color.

Thanotos Omega1 votes

Ekko is a kid, he may be a tech genius but he is still to high on passions to think clearly, also remember Zaun is actually a collection of very small fiefdoms under the control of the scientific elites with the power to control them in practice, But Vik Mundo Singed and the like would be torn apart by the masses if they ever let that become clear, so they play it up that they are a place of freedom, they use Piltover as an enemy to be feared and hated, Ekko is just buying into the propaganda,

Duke Anax4 votes

It's hard to get a clear picture but apparently Zaun and Pilltover are very close, seperated by only a river. I think they were once considered the same city, before there was an argument between using hextech and techmaturgy.

Also the whistling Piltie in Ekko's video seems to be on a evening stroll, just randomly passing through Zaun or something like that.

It's entirely possible that VI was born in Pilltover and picked up by a zaunite Gang.

MrBuffington2 votes

That map got retconned afaik, so they might even be closer together.

Duke Anax1 votes

The old map showed them across a large bay, I'm, already speculating with what I now about the new lore.

Jiny video for example shows Piltover as a coastal city, with a bridge going over a river delta. I gues Zaun is on the other side of that river bridge.

MrBuffington2 votes

oooo mb, i thought you were talking about the old map

Biff Manly4 votes

Maybe Zaun is just a really skeezy subdivision of Piltover that grew out of control. Then the "lawless outskirts of Piltover" and Zaun are the same thing.

MrBuffington1 votes

Yea, or at least the cities are very close together; there's quite a bit of overlap between the two (like in Ekko's lore, his friend was shot by a piltover man, or how Jinx grew up in Zaun but is now terrorizing piltover, etc)

333lom1 votes

Ekko has a quote "Progress doesn't belong to one city" so I think Zaun and Piltover are still separate cities. Although very close to one another, there was only a bay between them on the old map, so I think the gang could have very easily moved between cities.

AnonymousEnigma2 votes

I believe that there is a theory that Vi has amnesia

Darrosh Jewfist1 votes

That seems out of left field from narrative. What's the supporting evidence or is it pure conjecture?

Shíny2 votes

Here's your "random boards post that gives more info on a character than their lore does" of the day

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/lEN9q900-jinx-and-vis-family-ties-facts-myths-and-theories?comment=0007

Darrosh Jewfist4 votes

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Here's your "random boards post that gives more info on a character than their lore does" of the day

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/lEN9q900-jinx-and-vis-family-ties-facts-myths-and-theories?comment=0007

Isn't that anmesia part A BIT OF AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF VI'S CHARACTER THAT SHOULD BE ON HER BIO?

Like... what the hell? Reading her bio does absolutely nothing to imply she has amnesia? What the hell? WHY IS A GODDAMN FORUM POST GIVING MORE GODDAMN BLOODY INFORMATION THAN THE ACTUAL LORE CONTENT ITSELF?

Are you kidding me? I never knew Vi had amnesia - WHAT THE HELL?

I'm just infuriated this comes from a goddamn FORUM POST. What the hell? Just what the hell?

Vistha Kai4 votes

Welcome to the Retcon of Legends. Enjoy your stay.

Narasimha1 votes

VI was released before the retcon officially happened. Don't spread misinformation.

Vistha Kai4 votes

I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean jack to Narrative.

Celeste Benal2 votes

The Piltover/Zaun situation reminds me strongly of a certain anime where these two cities exist on opposite sides of a river/gorge/chasm in a permanent state of war. Every day at a certain time they each fire across the chasm at each other. No one even remembers why they are fighting.

Also Budapest.

Wouldn't be the first time two cities on opposite sides of a river merged/split.

John Berserk2 votes

A Rioter mentioned a while back (maybe a week or two ago) when someone had asked why Ekko loves Zaun so much despite it being kind of a shithole that Piltover, while seemingly better in every way (cleaner, moral standards, etc), is a LOT more classist. There's little to no chance of moving up the social ladder in Piltover. If you're born low, you're destined to stay low. The rich have the power in Piltover.

Whereas in Zaun, similar to their allies Noxus, they don't care where you were born or who you were born to. If you have the strength and the smarts to get by and get ahead, then you're not only able to, it's insisted upon you. Everyone has an opportunity to get far in life in Zaun. In Piltover, not so much.

With that in mind, I can see why a street urchin like Ekko would favor Zaun over Piltover. He's treated like trash there, whereas in Zaun he's treated as an equal.

Solidair32 votes

Considering VI is from the "lawless outskirts" and that the two cities are VERY close together, I think it may be safe to assume that she and jinx spent a tremendous amount of time in Zaun as children. As much time as was spent in Piltover.

ElJanitorFrank2 votes

"When she was six, a ragtag group of criminals took a shine to the young delinquent and brought her into their fold..."

I thought this was the point in which she left Piltover for Ekko's gang in Zaun.

A lot of people have reasoned, that since Ekko/Jinx/Vi seem to have Roman Numerals associated with them, (Ekko is IV, I think, Vi is ...well VI and Jinx is X) that is the age in which they joined the gang. Which would make sense since VI is 6.

Noa Von Cross1 votes

If you look at Vi's Lore she resides in Piltover but she was in fact born and raised in Zaun

Darrosh Jewfist5 votes

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If you look at Vi's Lore she resides in Piltover but she was in fact born and raised in Zaun

The lore portion I quoted clearly states she's from Piltover. She might have raised in Zaun - but that only demonstrates how fluid citizenship really means to the Zaun people.

Hence it's strange to me why Ekko places such a heavy emphasis on Zaun pride when his whole city seems to be constantly in-flux in terms of foreigners and inhabitants.

Yordle Xayah1 votes

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"As a child growing up in the lawless outskirts of Piltover, Vi learned to rob and cheat to get by. Stealing and stripping hextech hardware gave her the skills of a master mechanic, while life on the streets taught her self-reliance. When she was six, a ragtag group of criminals took a shine to the young delinquent and brought her into their fold. By the time Vi was eleven, she had become a seasoned accomplice, and she relished the thrill of every heist." - from Vi 's lore.

"One day, you'll come back to Zaun." "You'll always be Zaun to me." - Ekko's VO to Vi

I think I might be a bit confused, but Vi isn't from Zaun. It's pretty clear she's from Piltover. So Ekko and her were in the same gang? But then, if this gang was willing to recruit from Piltover... implying Zaun are similar to Noxians in that they're more open to out-of-city folk coming to their town, then what's the big deal with Ekko's city pride?

Like, Ekko grows up in a city that seems to value mercantilism and liberated scientific pursuits - meaning people from other city-states/nations can come and go as they please. This kind of makes Zaun seem awfully less nationalistic than others - hence it seems strange to me Ekko would have such a strong pride in this town. He grew up in a gang with "Pilties". He's in a city-state that welcomes foreigners, presumably, and certainly hasn't treated his family (parents who work long hours) or himself (losing friends, constantly getting jumped).

So... why does Ekko even like his city?

Because they're willing to go where the Pilties won't? Even though it's pretty clear they have no qualms recruiting Pilties when it suits their needs and general Zaun attitudes seem to be ok with Viktor kind of going to Piltover and rustling up some of their tech?

I get Ekko has an immature view of the city - but I'm kind of confused as to what he actually "likes" about his city.

He's mad... but like a goat

333lom1 votes

Yeah, those inconsistencies have to be the consequence of the New Lore. And there are more problems in other parts as well, but this perhaps could be explained with Vi being adopted by the Zaunite gang at the age of six. So, even though she had been born in Piltover, Ekko accepted her as a Zaunite, seeing how prideful in his city he is. So maybe he continues to view her as if she was never from Piltover.

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